That's so true, watching the price every few minutes makes us want to panic sell the second we see a sell wall or short dumping happening which usually recovers in the next few minutes.
Yep, juz human psychology although for the last 2 weeks, blockfolio look like it stopped still. Finally moving again now. |
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Is this ever going to be listed on an exchange of any sort? It is still unlisted right? Nearly a year?
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@Sandal_Hat: I actually can't believe I have to defend myself here for doing the exact opposite of what you claim. I must insist that you do a basic fact check before you accuse anyone of "unethical conduct." You could not be any more mistaken about me and Unicornflex. Contrary to your claim, I have never praised Halong Mining for its greatness or otherwise tried to elevate the company for "marketing purposes." Unicornflex never did so either. I am not shilling for Halong or anyone else. I have no secret PR agenda or ulterior motives. Unicornflex has done the exact opposite of what you have claimed. The link you posted in which you allege he is "praising" Halong, he actually does the opposite and excoriates Halong. He made the case on why he has doubts about Halong, and in a constructive manner urged Halong to set the record straight, which Halong declined to do. I have written in detail providing reasoned support for the validity of his concerns. I did so because I shared his concerns. In doing so, I have painstakingly tried to be as objective as possible and provide as much supporting evidence as possible.
The "massive" sales numbers of the DragonMint that he and I shared with this community were intended to show not how "great" Halong Mining is, but rather to demonstrate the potential magnitude of the epic scam that he and I both suspected that Halong Mining could be. I did not share this information for personal gain, but rather to try to help people possibly avoid getting scammed. I have no other motivation. At the time I first started posting in February, I was all but convinced Halong was a scam. I have since written and still believe that we should all consider Halong Mining an illegitimate operation until and unless it reveals its incorporation number and proof that its claimed FCC certification for the DragonMint actually exists. After reputable individuals vouched for the existence of the DragonMint, such as -ck, then and only then, I posted that I felt I would receive the DragonMints for which I had paid, but I still maintained that Halong was not behaving in the way legitimate companies operate, and that all potential buyers should beware.
I know Unicornflex only because I bought some Antminer S9 units from him last year, a transaction that I also shared using the "Trust" feature of this community. I have no interest in promoting or questioning any hardware mining company. I am an actual customer of Halong Mining who demands transparency from them. Support my efforts in that endeavor for our mutual benefit, or don't. Your choice. In my case, I regretted buying from Halong once I realized I could not verify Halong's incorporation. I still regret my purchase. I became even more worried once I learned Halong was unwilling to do anything to help quell fears about claims Halong was a scam operation.
To help others make informed an informed decision about Halong, I shared the results of my due diligence research on Halong and its affiliate "MyRig, Inc." Because others seemed to value my research (into which I put considerable effort), I continued to post in this thread to help shed light about Halong and MyRig and to help introduce myself to this community, which I have come to appreciate. We have seen progress. In response to my posts and those of others, this community's collective examination helped to reveal the Japanese incorporation number of "MyRig" (at least its name, apparently translated into Japanese) for the first time in this forum. In addition, I revealed that MyRig, Inc. is not incorporated in Colorado even though it holds itself out as authorized to do business in that state. My research also supported the inescapable fact that Halong is an anonymous operation that is attempting to operate with impunity.
I shared in this thread numerous times my skepticism of Halong Mining and my concern that I would not receive the DragonMint units I purchased. I explained I felt this way because Halong miserably failed my due diligence tests. I posted that I thought my buying from Halong was impulsive and a mistake on my part. I vowed I'd never purchase from Halong again. (I can prove I am a Halong customer through photos and video if I ever receive my April Batch 2 shipment.)
I do not care about the success or failure of any mining hardware manufacturer. I have no financial interest in any of these companies, including Halong and Bitmain, except to the extent I may need warranty work from one of them some day on my miners. However, if a company operates ethically in the marketplace, delivers good value, gives good support, and treats its customers with respect, I hope it succeeds. Halong has not operated this way for the many reasons I have discussed at length previously.
I've tried to be respectful (yet fair and firm) to everyone and every business in this thread, including you, Halong Mining, Bitmain, and others. I've been as objective as I can possibly be. I've fact checked extensively the subject matter about which I've posted. I've tried to support every statement I make with sound reasoning or hard evidence (for example, screenshots of the FCC database when I could not verify Halong's FCC certification claim, or Secretary of State records when I could not verify its affiliate MyRig, Inc.'s incorporation). When someone posted that they doubted one could sue Bitmain, I wrote extensively explaining in detail exactly how you could sue Bitmain anywhere in the world.
You are off base suggesting that I have questionable ethics. I've behaved above board. I did not suddenly discover Unicornflex's post, I was speaking with him the day he posted it back in February. I disclosed this fact in an earlier post. I have not posted yet on any other threads in this forum, because I am a new here and want to wait to make sure I post only when I have value to add. I understood that was the expected behavior of users of this forum. Do you realize that? I would encourage you to do the same instead instead of acting in an unacceptable way toward new users. Judge newbies by the content of their message, and not by the creation date of their account and the number of threads in which they post. This community should welcome newbies to make constructive, objective contributions -- and not verbally assault them as you have done.
I regret if some find this message too personal or "off topic", but being publicly accused of acting unethically when I have taken the utmost care to act honorably, as Sandal_Hat has done, is way beyond the pale and required my public response. Thank you.
I didnt read most of your post. It is too long and nutty. Look, Common sense - there are alot of new accounts or accounts that post in this thread only, as can be seen. There are alot of unsubstantiated claims from these particular accounts. I dont dislike u but all your posts are only in this thread and u join recently...thus suspicious Somehow, u can notice unicornflex's ONE single post (that claims huge sales) in a 90 page thread and u blindly believe it. That post occurred BEFORE u even posted in this thread. U read many pages backwards?? Unicornflex then appears straight away, after being missing for super long.... juz too weird here. Many pages back, I predicted that dimaze will give very good results on any test he does and I was right. He even claim it is on spec at one point. Lazy to write every reason but this fellow only post in this thread for whole of 2018. So, my suspicion is that u r all juz the same person or group. Past pages had numerous newbie accounts claiming they have ordered, they think it is good, etc etc. It looks like a marketing campaign of new accounts. There is no explanation on how halong first utube demo video in Nov 2017 shows 1460watts @16.2 TH as it is...as it shows worse numbers now. Thus, it is fair to point out this shadyness. -------------------------------------------------------------- Anyways, there are real 3rd party doing the test. So , lets juz wait for the new firmware and see the numbers. And see how good or bad this device is. This mystery has been going on for months now. Finally the conclusion 
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Bitmain's 16nm Bitcoin ASIC orders have recently been shifted from TSMC's Fab 14 in Taiwan to the fab in Nanjing, China as Fab 14 will be upgraded to support a 12nm manufacturing process. The orders are expected to begin shipments in May, the sources said.
Read that carefully folks... Order were shifted to the China fab, presumable also a 16nm one. Fab 14 was being upgraded, but Bitmains chips would not be coming from there now, they will be coming from the older tech China plant. I fully agree. The more useful information was, that they “talk” about 7nm with TMSC. This technology will be more likely the base for the S11 ASIC than 12nm. So the good news is, it seems that they didn’t even start the 7nm design process. How much better is 12nm over 16nm u think? 12/16 = 0.75. Will it be 25% ish better? |
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Did anyone notice on NiceHash that it shows you can make $140 a day with the x3?
yes, I saw this, even the negative Power costs are amazing °°°  lol. I am curious. How are X3 owners doing?? Did it make sense to buy? |
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Only main difference I see with this new batch is that they ship starting from the 20th of April instead of 11-20 like the last batch they had, and they raised the price of both the L3+ and the E3 slightly ($462-485 and $1800-1872 respectively). I guess they really want to get rid of their existing L3+ stock and prepare for a potential new Scrypt miner release right now.
I think it is also because litecoin price rose recently. |
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Not trying to hide that my account isn't active on other threads. I spent probably more than I should have on buying Halong miners. Hate on me all you want. I'm just trying to dig into whether that money is gone or if I'll have equipment to show for it.
No one hates u. U dont matter to me. I juz cant stand unethical conduct. It is just too obvious that the one with overly positive marketing and ridiculous non-substantiated claims are of some obvious types of accounts. Anyways, I dont think it matters even if this post gets deleted also. People arent so stupid to believe. That is why the hashrate in those pools and difficulty of btc isnt impacted by this launch. Good luck to u. If u people have ethics, u would do proper things - reveal yourselves and not use sneaky accounts to make huge claims of greatness,etc.
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I'm still pissed that they sold first A5s at 10000USD and they don't think they did anything wrong in first place.
It is my worst miner investment ever, I don't think I'll ever make any worse decision than buying a A5 unit.
I haven't received any compensation.
I haven't received any coupons.
Nothing.
Well, a D3 ships on time but does not break even either haha. Well, at least it ships on time. Loss making but with less frustration. Still not good  Dash mining is just no good. |
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no the demo came in and is mining here. http://ckpool.org/users/16yLHLoeyuCLPMXkVpC3gyrRYvwRGwjKJrthis is a completely different miner then the one tested yesterday. I had a very busy day today. Multiple delvieries of gear all due on fri showed up today. And My kitchen sink clogged which means I put on my roto-rotor hat and spent half the day getting it to unclog. I now the demo from yoshi I also have the demo from a forum member. so I am testing the demo from yoshi. I see. Maybe if u are free, can just test both dragonmint units and not just the one from yoshi. It seems some units may have varying performance, as seen from the guy with 5 units.
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Well with all respect - he did say he was taking a shot to show the default pools. Not make any hashrate claims.
Nope. He posted that picture. He said it is the defaults and his next post said it is on specs. How is that not misleading? Anyway, this fellow, his review may just show very good numbers somehow, just like their first vid that shows 1460w and 16.2 TH in Nov/dec. He is probably affiliated. Previous reviews of 5 dragonmints by a forumer shows lower hashrate and higher wattage...
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Is there an issue because it is off again? It just shows 12.4G in last 1 hour
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I dont mean to be a wet blanket but there is no notable increase in hashrate in Slush and Ck pool. Slush and CK pools are the only pools that can take dragonmints. Hashrate for slush should go through the roof it they sold alot, especially considering how small slush is to the total hashrate. Furthermore, alot of slush and CK pool hash will be due to cheap S9s flooding market. Thus, the logical conclusion is that they didnt sell much miners. [Emphasis added.]
Although it is not conclusive evidence, we have some reason to believe that Halong Mining's sales so far have been massive in terms of revenue, which I noted weeks ago, but I thought it might prove helpful again here. Unicornflex, a member of this forum, shared this analysis in February after he and I compared our DragonMint order numbers from our Halong Mining receipts. (See quote below.) We placed orders online right at about the same moment, and he later placed multiple additional orders. It seemed to us that Halong's online order system was using sequential order numbers. If our assumption is correct, we can have a rough estimate of Halong's number of sales. Since the minimum order quantity requirement was five units for quite some time, we can also estimate Halong's minimum total revenue, which we estimated was more than USD $50 million (as of early February 2018). Our most recent estimate is that Halong has sold more than $50 million USD worth of DragonMint miners, based on Halong’s minimum order requirement of 5 units per order and Halong’s usage of sequential order numbers in its online order system, which together reveal an approximation as to how many units have been sold. Any large farms that invested in upgrading their equipment with DragonMints could easily have [pushed] total ordered units to more than $100 million in sales.
LOL. I just realized u are also someone who has all his posts in only the Halong thread only haha. It is ONLY such accounts people making huge marketing claims of great sales omg. The amount of such accounts here is huge. And there is No basis for such claims. It does NOT show in hashrates on pools. And this is such a bad time to sell miners that even the market leader is slashing prices drastically to sell miners haha. Unicornflex is an account with just 2 posts, both in Halong thread and praising them. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=197256;sa=showPostsIt is amazing that u can even notice his ONE post in a 90+ page thread claiming 100 million sales especially since his post was made on 7th Feb and your first post in Halong thread is 21st Feb. And now he appears after u speak of him HAHA. His 2nd only post. I notice it is just all your newbie or Halong only accounts talking to yourselves here for marketing purposes. This is not seen anywhere else. It is also amazing that u supposedly track supposedly their order numbers. Something easily faked and no one tracks this. These people had at most 600 in their telegram account then and most were just not believing their existence. Any ICO had more people lol. No evidence but tons of claims haha |
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Didn't see this mentioned in the S9 thread, but thought I'd share some info on the S9 that I saw mentioned in an article about Bitmain's E3 : ..."Because of the declining value of cryptocurrencies including Bitcoin, some market watchers are concerned that Bitmain may significantly cut its orders with TSMC. However, the sources from the upstream supply chain revealed that Bitmain so far has not made any major adjustment to its orders. In addition to 16nm and 28nm mining and AI chip orders, Bitmain is currently in talks with the Taiwan-based wafer foundry about manufacturing on its 7nm process.
Bitmain's 16nm Bitcoin ASIC orders have recently been shifted from TSMC's Fab 14 in Taiwan to the fab in Nanjing, China as Fab 14 will be upgraded to support a 12nm manufacturing process. The orders are expected to begin shipments in May, the sources said.
Fab 14 has already obtained orders from MediaTek for its AI-supported Helio P60 smartphone AP and Nvidia for its next-generation GPUs, the sources added.
In addition to the Antminer E3, Bitmain's Sophon BM1680 AI chip is also manufactured on TSMC's 28nm, the sources noted. "Source : https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20180410PD210.htmlS11 coming? so fast? |
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lol. They didnt sell to any enterprise companies. I know the claims they make. Their telegram back then has like 600 people only then and many were toxic. No company will buy alot of untested units from some new and unknown company. It is just stupid.
if you ever were at least one toe in mining operations whale biz you prob will know that usually one invites whale operations for demos way before the asic is announced in public, secure the contracts and later of course those guys get units first as well who is this for example https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/address/3ACjzvyr3PdPCnAcAi2Nfw9RXcm9SVmtR9 mining with AB since mid March? U are one of those accounts with halong only posts. There are a ton of new or halong only accounts in this thread. I never seen this anywhere else before. I guess dimaze is next to assist u. That link is just a bitcoin address, nothing else lol. It makes zero sense to buy an untested product. U dont even know if it will last for a month. Furthermore, if those whales were to test the demo, they would see that the numbers would not be as good as claimed, as other have pointed out. They then wouldnt buy it. The only other person who claim they sold alot is this newbie account called Unicrone (if i recall right). It is utter ridiculous to claim that they sold so few units to the public but sold alot to big guys lol. If u gonna do that, u can claim all sorts of nonsense. Why not do the right thing and reveal self/identity to everyone? |
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I dont mean to be a wet blanket but there is no notable increase in hashrate in Slush and Ck pool. Slush and CK pools are the only pools that can take dragonmints.
Hashrate for slush should go through the roof it they sold alot, especially considering how small slush is to the total hashrate.
Furthermore, alot of slush and CK pool hash will be due to cheap S9s flooding market.
Thus, the logical conclusion is that they didnt sell much miners.
That is specious reasoning at best... They may very well have sold lots of gear and: it's just not delivered yet. it's still "burning in" on their own pool #BFL! there sales were to mainly enterprise level companies who are running on "non-public" pools With such limited information it seems impossible to accurately asses their sales volume. I've been preaching about how bad a deal it is to be an "Investomer" since 2013. It's not a popular opinion here in DEADWOOD. The risk/reward ratio for being an investomer is soooooooo absolutely lopsided (and in case it actually needs to be mention it is NOT lopsided in the miners favour...) that I am constantly amazed how many people are so happy to line up to be one. It is good reasoning actually. Think about it. The batch 1 barely made a dent in slush. And slush is 3% of total hashrate or less? Slush is 3.246 EH and btc difficulty is now 3.46T. I doubt batch 2 and 3 will do much either. We shall see I guess. If they sold any decent amount, slush and CK should have huge increases because ONLY these 2 pools can take in dragonmints. If thats the case, when they are delivered later, there should be a major increase in those 2 pools hashrate. The major pools are known as it is. lol. They didnt sell to any enterprise companies I believe. I know the claims they make. Their telegram back then has like 600 people only then and many were toxic. No company will buy alot of untested units from some new and unknown company. No one hands over so much btc just like that. It is just stupid. Why would they be able to get into the industrial market like Bitfury when they cant even crack the smaller market lol? Agree with u on investomer. Nice term |
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The only reason to not want to reveal identity is to LIMIT LIABILITY. No asic manufacturer or ANY other company out there hides identity. This has nothing to do with auto industry. It is basic common sense. I dont mean to be a wet blanket but there is no notable increase in hashrate in Slush and Ck pool. Slush and CK pools are the only pools that can take dragonmints. Hashrate for slush should go through the roof it they sold alot, especially considering how small slush is to the total hashrate. Furthermore, alot of slush and CK pool hash will be due to cheap S9s flooding market. Thus, the logical conclusion is that they didnt sell much miners. Halong's Terms say that all deposits are non-refundable. So, they can RUN AWAY if they want to and buyers have no recourse. Halong's last post mention the high cost of making a miner and competing in this market as it is. So, buyers should be careful when buying from this company. They may just dissapear. If u really want this gear, I suggest diversifying and not putting all your money into this gear. Or split your buys. Buy more ONLY after a batch has been delivered physically to your home. Chances are that they are not doing well. They may just dissapear suddenly and u have NO RECOURSE because they are invisible. Their TERMS state that deposits are not refundable. Be safe. It would be sad to see people being screwed should it occur.
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Good numbers short term, not really. My S9 pulls 16-20Th for the first few mins. It just does not calculate properly at first. It will also take some time to stabilize the numbers. http://ckpool.org/users/1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje Pool side number is zero for 1 to 5 mins. 2.96 T for 1 day. Wat happened? U turned it off? http://ckpool.org/#/user . I added your address 1JdC6Xg3ajT3rge3FgPNSYYFpmf53Vbtje into that link. Your last share was 8 hours ago.
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So, bitmain will assist miners by forking monero to other coins right
So, bitmain will Bitmain by forking monero to other coins right Fixed that for you. I dont own an X3 but at least they are trying something here yes. |
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So, bitmain will assist miners by forking monero to other coins right
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Wow 462 USD. Many havent broke even on recent L3+ I believe. Hope bitmain dont release L4 yet if it exist. Thanks
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