No Carlitos, the gig is up, the scam has been uncovered, boy: You and loljosh scammed this community through the pool that didn't pay the people mining. The charges have been made already in the other forum and you know very well they are true. You and your pal loljosh, scammed and continue scamming this community. 3 million coins? probably more. And I don't know if you two dumped on Liberty Day but sure as hell I know you were massively dumping BEFORE. I personally located 3 wallets that were emptied of their 1.3 million coins. And change. Only you and loljosh could have such amount of coins when the biggest exchange had no more than 450k and no other holders were significantly above 400K each. You and loljosh were and are dumping all of your 3 million coins and probably much more.

That's hove you scammed and continue scamming this community, "amigo".

Now hurry up to erase this one, ok? maybe it will disappear, although my guess is that it will forever be a reminder of what you and your pal loljosh do and that you have done already to a bunch others like Grumpycoin, Universitycoin and quite a few others. The trail is all there, for people to follow, before the put a penny more on your "enterprises", your "pools", your "exchanges" your "coin creation (copy/paste hackjobs) 'business'", etc. Even the only thing you know a little bit about, graphic design, no one will ever want remotely close to you of loljosh---whose real name will also be uncovered soon, to go along with el mejicanito, you, Carlos R. Torres Ferguson, the student of la ITAM in Mexico DF.

Edit to add: This post is placed here for it's relevance to the OP subject and because it has been deleted in the Libertychain thread. It will be re-posted in other threads as well so everyone researching Templar 77 or loljosh can find out and follow their scamming trail.

Hey, we are neighbors man, we can meet up, have  a drink, maybe a bite at TGI Friday's? What say you? I'll drive to wherever is convenient for you...

This is long so only for those really interested:

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[06:36] <@shogun40> well doesn't matter. its getting done now
[06:36] <@shogun40> on wards and up wards
[06:36] <@gatti> aye
[06:36] <templar77> the mixer can be done even in php
[06:36] <templar77> easy stuff
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[06:37] <maarx> templar77, you have a link ?
[06:37] <maarx> for implementation?
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[06:37] <templar77> eh?
[06:37] <maarx> you say it can be done with php
[06:37] <maarx> which means it use rpc
[06:37] <maarx> you have link for implementation ?
[06:37] <maarx> how the mixing works ?
[06:37] <templar77> I'm not working on that
[06:37] <maarx> <templar77> the mixer can be done even in php
[06:37] <maarx> <templar77> easy stuff
[06:38] <maarx> where do you get this information then
[06:38] <maarx> any implementation I can look at ? any documented ?
[06:38] <templar77> i don't understand
[06:38] <maarx> im a dev and Im interested
[06:38] <maarx> You say the mixing can be done with php
[06:38] <templar77> yeah!
[06:39] <maarx> I basically ask: how? (and I'm actually interested in documentation on how this can be done)
[06:39] <maarx> documentation can be an explanation on the coin mixing
[06:39] <templar77> i guess you can start googling
[06:39] <templar77> "bitcoin php"
[06:39] <maarx> Yea then I get json rpc php stuff
[06:39] <maarx> and basically the rpc api
[06:39] <templar77> yeah
[06:40] <maarx> so how do I coin mix? lol
[06:40] <NickyBlair> interesting
[06:40] <maarx> I send it through 5 addresses in my own wallet
[06:40] <maarx> before I send it to you?
[06:40] <NickyBlair> things are different in Mexico?
[06:40] <templar77> there are different ways you can do it
[06:40] <NickyBlair> in Mexico
[06:41] * maarx sigh
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[06:41] <templar77> but I don't understand what do you want me to explain
[06:41] <maarx> You say there are many ways to do it (coin mixing)
[06:41] <maarx> Tell me one way
[06:42] <NickyBlair> fair question
[06:42] <maarx> Show me a paper that explains.. or some documentation of some sorts.. or a code
[06:42] <@shogun40> look up coinjoin
[06:42] <templar77> paper? documentation?
[06:42] <templar77> lol
[06:42] <templar77> you have to write it dude
[06:42] <@shogun40> or fedora tip mixer
[06:43] <@shogun40> most are based on those
[06:43] <maarx> ok thanks coinjoin Smiley
[06:43] <maarx> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=279249.0
[06:43] <@shogun40> some use tor too
[06:43] <maarx> thats documentation Cheesy
[06:43] <NickyBlair> I understand Zero's papers will be released today?
[06:43] <@shogun40> should be they already changed thier site
[06:44] <@shogun40> zerocoin/zerocash
[06:45] <NickyBlair> so Templar. You have to write it. From scratch. There is no copy-paste possible, right?
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[06:45] <NickyBlair> no paper no code, right?
[06:45] <templar77> no idea
[06:45] <NickyBlair> that's what you just said...
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[06:45] <templar77> maybe you could find an open source mixer
[06:45] <templar77> yeah
[06:46] <templar77> i can write one in php in a few hours
[06:46] <NickyBlair> why don't you do it then?
[06:46] <templar77> what for?
[06:46] <NickyBlair> better yet, whay haven't you done it in the past 2 weeks or even earlier?
[06:47] <NickyBlair> for Libertycoin
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[06:47] <@shogun40> for libertycoin
[06:47] <templar77> cause we don't need a mixer
[06:47] <NickyBlair> we don't?
[06:47] <templar77> and the qt wallet is written in c´
[06:47] <@shogun40> its been a goal since day one. it even had zerocoin code (little) in it
[06:47] <NickyBlair> I'm shocked...
[06:47] <templar77> c++
[06:47] <templar77> i'm shocked too
[06:48] <templar77> i'm just mocking at you
[06:48] <@shogun40> should it have been in fortran?
[06:48] <NickyBlair> with what are you shocked, we shock differnetly you and me
[06:48] <templar77> you don't even understand
[06:48] <@shogun40> lol
[06:48] <templar77> do you realize php and c++ are not the same thing?
[06:48] <templar77> or you are mentally retarded?
[06:48] <@shogun40> it is
[06:48] <NickyBlair> oh I do. Bullshit. You think I got it right? prefer it in spanish? CACA
[06:49] <templar77> lol
[06:49] <NickyBlair> Carlitos, the gig is up
[06:49] <unek> C++ is PHP-based
[06:49] <unek> C++ was written in PHP
[06:49] <templar77> sure
[06:49] <NickyBlair> he is full of shit
[06:49] <+w8> lmfao
[06:49] <@shogun40> well things can get added to wallets like games and chat so it can get added in like that and not necessary intergrated
[06:49] <NickyBlair> dowan't know what he's talking about
[06:49] <maarx> here is what:
[06:49] <NickyBlair> doesnt
[06:50] <maarx> u make a wallet that can enable plugins
[06:50] <maarx> plugins in different languages
[06:50] <maarx> and then u bank big
[06:50] <@shogun40> exactly
[06:50] <unek> hmm
[06:50] <maarx> development for your coin will skyrocket
[06:50] <unek> and then your coin gets forked
[06:50] <maarx> lol yeah
[06:50] <unek> gets called doje/shibacoin
[06:50] <NickyBlair> Carlos, run when you are ahead, when you still can
[06:50] <maarx> but it doesnt matter, look at ppc, or bc
[06:51] <maarx> after bc every coin is pos
[06:51] <unek> maarx: isn't bc basically a copy of mint Tongue?
[06:51] <maarx> bc still winner
[06:51] <unek> it was done better
[06:51] <maarx> no unek bc is copy of novacoin/ ppc.. but then done better
[06:51] <templar77> blackcoin is cloned from novacoin
[06:51] <templar77> yeah
[06:51] <unek> cloned
[06:51] <maarx> and then it is "pos only"
[06:51] <unek> but afaik mint was the first pow/pos hybrid of taht kind
[06:51] <maarx> which later mint had to do (cuz we kinda showed them their network was insecure)
[06:51] <dibdab> hey is this true that "liberty express" huuge thingie is just another USB stick? https://twitter.com/T3naciousC/status/471268476212883458
[06:51] <NickyBlair> Carlos? the gig is UP
[06:52] <maarx> thats the thing unek , blackcoin is the first pos only
[06:52] <maarx> besides nxt
[06:52] <maarx> which is a company
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[06:52] <NickyBlair> Next is a platform
[06:52] <@shogun40> its not a usb stick
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[06:53] <NickyBlair> no copy-paste there
[06:53] <@shogun40> a usd thing is also being made though
[06:53] <unek> shogun40: no, nxt is not a usb stcik
[06:53] <@shogun40> usb
[06:53] <unek> no
[06:53] <maarx> true NickyBlair .. but NXT is a company right? or I get that wrong Sad Tongue
[06:53] <@shogun40> i know i have 1200 nxt i was talking about liberty send
[06:53] <unek> shogun40: sure
[06:53] <NickyBlair> You got that wrong as far as I know
[06:54] <@shogun40> what i saw wasn't a usb stick. could it work with one prolly
[06:55] <dibdab> what did u see ? where?
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[06:56] <NickyBlair> Liberty ERxpress will probably be an updated version of the other card IE did
[06:56] <dibdab> the usb stick u mean?
[06:56] <dibdab> usb 3.0 ?
[06:56] <NickyBlair> much more advanced and, per his description, much more easily accessible by even grandmas
[06:56] <izangi> its software
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[06:57] <bb7> This is the big day guys, been waiting for this!!!
[06:57] <dibdab> yeah i hope the grandmas too can feel the liberty
[06:57] <bb7> Where do you guys think we'll see prices today, me think 20K plus
[06:57] <Aquent> !price
[06:58] <dibdab> as long as they wont post anything in btctalk thread, then no liberty for grandmas either
[06:58] <NickyBlair> bb7 -that would be quite nice...
[06:59] <maarx> I hope mintpal remove shitcoins
[06:59] <maarx> heavycoin.. 0.3 btc volume
[06:59] <unek> ^
[06:59] <maarx> AUR .. 0.7 btc volume..
[06:59] <maarx> nobody wants this crap
[06:59] <maarx> I only want like 10 coins ;p
[06:59] <unek> speaking of shitcoins
[06:59] <unek> I'm creating my very own coin soon!
[06:59] <Boomslang> I am hoping the new features help with the acceptance by "grannies and families".  With the right implementation, it can do the same as the WII did by bringing gaming away from dark rooms and into the living room and high streets
[06:59] <maarx> Haha
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[07:00] <dibdab> yea we need grandma friendly usb stick imo
[07:01] <templar77> lol someone launching another libertycoin
[07:01] <templar77> that's great
[07:01] <dibdab> what?? where
[07:01] <maarx> freedom <3
[07:01] <NickyBlair> Boms - I agree. It's difficult but definitely possible. If one has a chance to get there that's Liberty
[07:01] <templar77> i'm going to launch another blackcoin
[07:02] <maarx> my grandma gonna mine with her TV
[07:02] <maarx> she watch TV a lot
[07:02] <maarx> so I think its good idea
[07:02] <@shogun40> its not a card or usb stick. it probaly can be made into one or use one.
[07:03] <NickyBlair> hey Templar
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[07:04] <NickyBlair> \your pals at la UNAM, do they give a flying fuck about any of this?
[07:05] <maarx> What's a flying fuck?
[07:05] <maarx> Mile high club?
[07:05] <maarx> Cheesy
[07:05] <@shogun40> indeed
[07:06] <NickyBlair> Templar?
[07:06] <NickyBlair> Carlos?
[07:06] <NickyBlair>  Talk to me.
[07:07] <templar77> lol
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[07:07] <templar77> I don't study there
[07:07] <templar77> I study at 'la' ITAM
[07:08] <DiabolusLoki> lol https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627076.0
[07:08] <NickyBlair> really? where do you? It's Politics and Economy of did I gat that wrong?
[07:08] <NickyBlair> smart guy...
[07:08] <templar77> yeah that's it
[07:08] <NickyBlair> I though you were already done there... I must be misinformed
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[07:09] <templar77> yeah
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[07:09] <NickyBlair> You do know you are done here, right?
[07:09] <templar77> no, why?
[07:09] <templar77> Cheesy
[07:09] <NickyBlair> Not good enough, lo siento. Necesitamos mejor
[07:10] <templar77> Wink
[07:10] <NickyBlair> you really needed the money that bad?
[07:10] <templar77> what money?
[07:11] <NickyBlair> you know what moneyt, the 1.5 mill coins dumped
[07:11] <maarx> lol
[07:11] <NickyBlair> you still want to pretend?
[07:12] <maarx> be happy they are gone lol
[07:12] <NickyBlair> you are smarter than that...
[07:12] <maarx> apparently people bought them Tongue
[07:12] <momitsu> and were happy to
[07:12] <NickyBlair> yep, still quite a bit to be distributed, right Carlos?
[07:12] <templar77> I own 300k
[07:12] <momitsu> cheerin actually
[07:12] <templar77> Smiley
[07:12] <templar77> but I don't trade
[07:13] <templar77> 312k actually
[07:13] <NickyBlair> that in one wallet. how many do you have?
[07:13] <templar77> one wallet
[07:13] <NickyBlair> you don't have to answer that. I hate lies
[07:14] <NickyBlair> do you want me to give you the wakllets numbers?
[07:14] <templar77> but wallets have multiple addresses
[07:14] <NickyBlair> the ones that you dumpoed, that is
[07:14] <momitsu> why all the hate for templar
[07:14] <maarx> stop talking shit u guys lol
[07:14] <templar77> did you know that?
[07:14] <maarx> it doesnt matter if one guy have 40% or another have 10%
[07:14] <templar77> that guy is funny
[07:14] <NickyBlair> yep, I do. Not very hard
[07:14] <maarx> pick a coin and stick with it
[07:14] <maarx> develop
[07:14] <NickyBlair> you were hasty
[07:14] <maarx> and good will come to u
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[07:15] <templar77> you're funny man
[07:15] <templar77> Smiley
[07:15] <Aquent> !price
[07:15] <NickyBlair> no templat you are the funny one here. regular Cantinflas...
[07:16] <Aquent> why dont it say?
[07:16] <templar77> sure
[07:16] <templar77> Cheesy
[07:16] <NickyBlair> pero nos has cantinfleado a bit too quick
[07:16] <NickyBlair> that's why you are out. Still ahead (for now) but out
[07:17] <momitsu> templar created the coin ?
[07:17] <templar77> No, I didn't
[07:17] <momitsu> ah k
[07:17] <templar77> I created Cinni tho
[07:17] <templar77> lol
[07:17] <NickyBlair> you copy-pasted cinni, you mean
[07:17] <momitsu> ah
[07:18] <NickyBlair>  oh and you created the green logo too.
[07:18] <templar77> I was piad actually
[07:18] <momitsu> hope ya made some serious cash
[07:18] <NickyBlair> you also created a bunch of others'
[07:18] <NickyBlair> how's the coin farm busines goin?
[07:18] <templar77> nah he only paid me like 0.6
[07:18] <NickyBlair> and the exchange?
[07:18] <NickyBlair> and what happened to X coin, your X coin?
[07:18] <templar77> I got a coin creation service if you're interested
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[07:19] <Aquent> .price
[07:19] <templar77> it's going to be realaunched
[07:19] <NickyBlair> grum, any memories left?
[07:19] <templar77> we have big plans for it
[07:19] <NickyBlair> it was going to be . last staurday
[07:19] <NickyBlair> they are not overly happy over there
[07:19] <templar77> things change
[07:19] <templar77> i don't care
[07:19] <templar77> Smiley
[07:19] <NickyBlair> boy have they changed here in a couple of days, don't you think?
[07:20] <NickyBlair> and you ain't seen nothing yet
[07:20] <NickyBlair> I know you don't. Just a tiny bit
[07:20] <templar77> I'm starting to see who you are Smiley
[07:20] <NickyBlair> but this one is going to be successful, really successful. and without you
[07:21] <templar77> yeah it will
[07:21] <NickyBlair> oh I can tell you so you don't have to make an effort
[07:21] <NickyBlair> without you
[07:21] <templar77> well that would e great actually
[07:21] <+w8> so much drama in here
[07:21] <NickyBlair> congrats then
[07:21] <NickyBlair> keep what you got left. It was a double mistake to cash in so quickly
[07:21] <templar77> i kinda hate conspiracy theorists like you
[07:21] <+w8> how did i end up in #soapopera
[07:21] <templar77> no ffence
[07:22] <NickyBlair> I know money doesn't move you -which makes it even more pathetic- but this one will make you very rich if you hold... and they don't get you
[07:22] <templar77> I havet moved my funds since pow ended
[07:22] <NickyBlair> Oh I know you are probably not very fond of me right now. Quite understandable
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[07:23] <NickyBlair> don't insult my intelligence, por favor. Ya?
[07:23] <templar77> I can move all my coins to one address
[07:23] <templar77> Smiley
[07:23] <NickyBlair> In any case you do know that this will be regulated soon.
[07:23] <NickyBlair> and things will be investigated...
[07:23] <templar77> sure
[07:23] <NickyBlair> like fraudulent pools and such...
[07:23] <templar77> that would be actually good
[07:24] <NickyBlair> you have quite a few so yes, potentially you could do that
[07:24] <NickyBlair> but you wont
[07:24] <templar77> I don't have pools
[07:24] <NickyBlair> the gig is up anyway
[07:24] <templar77> dude you have some crazy ideas about me
[07:24] <NickyBlair> maybe you did?
[07:24] <templar77> the gig is up
[07:24] <NickyBlair> or your pal diud?
[07:24] <templar77> lol
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[07:24] <NickyBlair> you are smart, I give you that
[07:24] <templar77> I have a high iq
[07:24] <templar77> tested
[07:25] <templar77> lol
[07:25] <NickyBlair> or the pal doesn't exist at all, eres tu solito verdad?
[07:25] <templar77> but thnaks
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[07:25] <templar77> i work with loljosh
[07:25] <templar77> I don't have anything to hide
[07:25] <NickyBlair> you pulkled man. if statue of limitations expire by the time regulation comes in, you'll be home free
[07:25] <NickyBlair> with a nice appartment and a convertible cruising la zona rosa
[07:26] <NickyBlair> yes you do
[07:26] <templar77> nah i don't like mexico
[07:26] <templar77> I won't live here
[07:26] <templar77> I probably go back to Panama
[07:26] <templar77> Smiley
[07:26] <NickyBlair> the California will be the place for you. Too expensive though. I doubt you got enough on this one. But you will probably pull a few others in time
[07:26] <NickyBlair> heck, I am impressed with your "achievements" in just one year man
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[07:27] <templar77> what are my achivemntes?
[07:27] <templar77> I'm starting to like you
[07:28] <NickyBlair> you know. I mention some of them already. And that's not clounting your studies that I assume you are passing with flying colors... impressive, really
[07:28] <NickyBlair> A pity that you are lazy
[07:28] <NickyBlair> if you would have put the work, wow
[07:28] <templar77> lol
[07:28] <NickyBlair> bulshit alene will teke you just up to a point
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[07:28] <templar77> I'm getting fun talking to you
[07:28] <Un0> Dam nice volume on XLB
[07:29] <NickyBlair> in this case, quite a bit of a point, I must admit
[07:29] <Un0> but which moron is dumping this early?
[07:29] <NickyBlair> Anyway, good luck Carlos. You are going to need it in spite of all that money....
[07:29] <NickyBlair> Carlos here is
[07:30] <templar77> thanks
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[07:30] <Un0> So what did I miss? Did IC release the news?
[07:30] <NickyBlair> de nada
[07:30] <NickyBlair> Une recomendacion: Try to exit gracefully. But up to you man.
[07:31] <templar77> I'm not leaving xlb any time soon
[07:31] <DiabolusLoki> Not yet Un0, only thing you missed is drama really.
[07:31] <Un0> DiabolusLoki: Dammit I love drama. Tired of watching crap on TV
[07:31] <DiabolusLoki> hehe
[07:31] <Un0> Coin is doing so why the hell are we fighting?
[07:31] <templar77> are you from the grumpycoin community?
[07:32] <templar77> there were a bunch of crazy guys there
[07:32] <NickyBlair> You mean you are going to keep the coins, some of them, for a while? That will be wise
[07:33] <Un0> Who is Carlos?
[07:33] <templar77> I'll keep my 312k xlb for 2 years
[07:33] <templar77> I'm
[07:33] <NickyBlair> well Carlos you should have learned already that quien siembra truenos recoge tempestades, no?
[07:33] <templar77> i can give "proof-of-ownership" Cheesy
[07:33] <Un0> My God man, I have a measly 30K and I am still holding then from day 1
[07:33] <templar77> sure , that's StarCraft
[07:33] <templar77> Brood War
[07:34] <stenull> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=627105.new#new
[07:34] <NickyBlair> I don't care at this stage. I know you still have quite a bit more than that, even after the dump. If you keep them as you should have most of the others, it will be the best decision of your life... if regulation doesn't catch up with you
[07:35] <templar77> lol dude
[07:35] <NickyBlair> No, no games. Real life
[07:35] <templar77> I don't know why you think I was respansable for yesterday's dump
[07:36] <NickyBlair> that was the only dump you were not responsible for
[07:37] <NickyBlair> I know exactly when and how much you dumped from your top wallets. and the ones I have checked are previous to yesterday
[07:37] <templar77> I have no "top wallets"
[07:37] <NickyBlair> yesterday was, I believe -I could be wrong- an "outside maneuvre" as it were
[07:38] <NickyBlair> Not anymore, you don't.
[07:38] <templar77> never
[07:38] <NickyBlair> you actually destroyed them
[07:38] <templar77> lol
[07:38] <NickyBlair> but I can give you the numbers and the balances dumped if you want...
[07:38] <templar77> I didn't dump anything
[07:38] <templar77> omg
[07:39] <NickyBlair> you didn't even leva one coin, why destroying them, you thought it was going to be more difficult to find out?
[07:39] <templar77> dude what do you want?
[07:39] <templar77> you just keep repeating the same crazy stuff
[07:39] <stenull> Raindeer   reincarnate as NickyBlair?
[07:40] <NickyBlair> then your pal did. it's everything in the blockchain, no big secret here. Pretty clumsy for a smart young man if you ask me
[07:40] <templar77> yea
[07:40] <templar77> he is barabbas
[07:40] <NickyBlair> nobody is going to expect you to admit to any of this, of course. No admission is needed either
[07:40] <templar77> ok
[07:40] <templar77> sure
[07:40] <templar77> whatever
[07:41] <NickyBlair> really, you btook this long to figure that one out?
[07:41] <NickyBlair> I believe even the dog of la portera knew that already
[07:41] <templar77> no
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[07:41] <templar77> you are using my workd 'pal'
[07:41] <templar77> that's how I figured it out
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[07:41] <templar77> time ago
[07:42] <NickyBlair> wow, I am so unimpressed...
[07:42] <templar77> me 2
[07:43] <NickyBlair> you could have just asked
[07:43] <templar77> you 2
[07:43] <NickyBlair> if you were curious
[07:43] <templar77> you 2
[07:44] <NickyBlair> calm down. You are safe. still ahead. Exit graciously
[07:44] <NickyBlair> life goes on
[07:44] <templar77> not going anywhere
[07:44] <NickyBlair> in retrospect it's the best -almost- that could have happened to uis
[07:44] <templar77> ok
[07:44] <maarx> NickyBlair, quit it man
[07:45] <stenull> well office tie is over i'm off dudes
[07:45] <NickyBlair> I am done
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[07:45] <maarx> later stenull
[07:45] <templar77> great
[07:45] <NickyBlair> and so is Carlos
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[07:45] <NickyBlair> one hour to confirmation
[07:45] <templar77> ?
[07:46] <NickyBlair> I hope IE steps to the plate
[07:46] <NickyBlair> And I am quite sorry to have somehow forced his hand. But this needed to be done and needed to be done immediatelky
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I am, of course, NickyBlair

Since Carlos/Templar77 closed the official thread, for all of those affected/interested, here's this one open. Wonderful world of internet freedom.
And since Freedom and Liberty (and scams and crooks) is what we will be talking about here, this is your playground people. There will not be interference of any kind on my part, none whatsoever. Any intervention will have to come from BitcoinTalk themselves. It is my believe -somewhat shattered- that individuals can actually behave with enough level of decency when given absolute freedom.

As I posted before the closure, there's a glimmer of hope for those affected by the Libertycoin case. Some people is considering -meeting, working on- a salvage operation as it were. It may or may not happen. In good part it will depend on you, the community, of course. When and if ready, a proposal will be made on a separate thread.

Meanwhile, post away your demons and please do not pm me at all unless absolutely necessary... or you wont get any answers. I will try to stay away from this thread as much as possible and come up only when there's something of interest to report.

Good luck to us all and let's get rid of the bad players.

Not many will be able to read this, of course, before it is deleted. But it will be posted on the other thread too, so...

First of all, what applied to Libertycoin with IE's in charge, still apply to Libertycoin. The name. The idea. The community. We all know now that we just have a copy/paste clone of every other POS coin out there. Is it dead? Only if WE killed it. Again, we have a run-of-the mill copy/paste coin with an dev who is absolutely incompetent.

Let me tell you who the dev is a little bit so you can do your own research and reach your own conclusions: His nome de guerre is Templar 77 and you can follow the trail of his devastating actions with less than a year in crypto: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=580444.0 (this is next, or was, or... whatever). Check out also Grumpy coin thread and several others you will find along the way. The devastation and incompetence will become quite evident.

But what do you expect, this kid's real name is Carlos R. Torres Ferguson, lives in Mexico City and attends tech classes at ITAN, coding classes. He actually cannot do anything beyond copy/paste and websites preferably on wordpress. So, any tech progress that you may expect from him will be met with BS. Again and again.

I don't know for sure if he pre-mined 3 million coins. Someone did. I personally believe that it was him who through the non-pay-outs of the pool got the coins and kept them for himself. But I cannot have proof of that therefore it is just my personal conjecture. I do know though that in the past 48 hours, previous of yesterday's dump, three big wallets were emptied fully and destroyed. Again, those wallets, who had a total of close to 1.4 million coins, could belong to three different people or to anyone altogether but just use your common sense and, by elimination, decide who could have access to such amounts, so cheap that while the coin was in an obvious ascending trend in price, felt compelled to dump them. Like I said, common sense points in just one direction.

Why am I posting this: I believe that the coin can work without Iconic Expert too. Not as well as it would have worked but quite well if the community throws its support and ideas behind it.

And, obviously, Carlos/ Templar 77 has to go because, frankly, whether he is a thief -a very stupid one- or not, is of no relevance at the moment; what we know for certain is that he is totally incompetent and that he cannot code his way out of a paperback. So thrown the bum out and get YOUR coin to get beyond the copy/paste phase. I believe at some point today Zerocoin is releasing their code to the public. Others are going to be available to everyone soon enough. Libertycoin need a REAL coder who can do the implementations. The community will have to hire him. But, frankly, with that and nothing else, this coin is bound to fly. Every word that I wrote about it, with Iconic as leader, still applies.

With Iconic's help it would have been done faster but, in the end it all depends ONLY on the will of the community. YOUR will.

Congratulations! Sorry for forcing your hand a bit -it was quite urgent- but quite happy that you are taking over and will make sure this coin makes history. I WILL be keeping an eye on you, of course, but I'll try to help in any way I can.

Wait a minute, you are now pretending to be a supporter here? really? why don't you continue poking fun at the Louis Vuitton incident here too, not just on your favorite IRC? or your enthusiastic participation in that is also "not true"?

Some of us used to visit that favorite hang out of yours, you know?

Or is this not "civilized" enough for you?

Carlos, I don't appreciate you trying to play games with me, you MUST know better by now. As for Africanos, he's small potatoes, not even close to be Black Hand let alone have the possibilities to accumulate more than 20 thousand coins. All his hashing power (which belong to IRC pal ass-lickers of the Black Hand) is fully dedicated to mine BC and nothing else. Africanos is a joke. And although the Black Hand is hurt by the developments staged by IE, they have nothing to gain by perpetrating such a lame attack. But, whoever did -and I heard a much more plausible story that it was Wizzfarm-, has NOTHING TO DO with the withdrawals, over 3 days, of 1.5 million coins at least. And that, pal, can only be you or your alter egos. What part of the gig is up dont you understand exactly?

You should know by now I never, ever lie. I can be mistaken in some details, just like anyone else, but I never say lies.  Now why don't you just go and correct me (and the guy at the other thread)? Tell me, who else could have accumulated millions of Libertycoins? I mean you are a smart kid, I have always granted you that, but never put in your mouth more than you can chew because you will choke, ok?  Once again, you are smart enough to know when the gig is up. And you should be quite happy that, for now at least, you came up a winner, a huge winner. Don't take it for granted though... these things have a way of turning around. Bad karma, you know?

Like I said, we all win but you win more. And earlier. Now that you can afford it, perhaps we can meet up in Vallarta in July. I would appreciate if you pay me a couple of margaritas. I love to have rich friends...

No te hagas... gig's up.

No need to be snappy Carlos. Remember: Only winners here. You the earliest if not the biggest of us all.

I'd like to believe anything like this has never happened before... I mean a coin that goes for 1 cent of a dollar to 9 cents in two weeks hardly needs "saving" don't you think? It is a preemptive move for the long term benefit of Libertycoin. L O N G T E R M what a concept ah?

As for the impatient guy, IE lives in New York where right now it is almost 4:00 in the morning. Did you really expect to have his announcement in the middle of the night?

I mean, on that alone, you should sell...

As for Crytonewstoday, what FUD are you talking about? And if you sold half and you feel good about it, nothing too bad can really come to you, right. As a matter of fact, to make it a sure thing, perhaps you should sell the other half now that is has rebounded 25% from earlier lows... just a suggestion.

If you even conceive the idea that the same thing that happened in AC could happen here, you most certainly MUST sell all.

Edit to ADD: Make that 40% at MintPal. Rebound.

Let him rest man... it's 3:30 AM LIBERTYCOIN DAY,for him. He will make his decision early enough, don't worry. And, I repeat, I am fully convinced he will say yes, full speed ahead. 

I would also like to add that I will have a few more recommendations in a few hours when IE announces he will take over -I am quite convinced he will-, to help Libertycoin be the best out there.

I know many of you have discarded the idea but I'd appreciate if at least some of you give a second thought and a bit of reflection to the idea of The Honor List We are a very small community for now. And we should be proud of owning big amounts of a coin that is going to be an example of what a crypto coin has to be to be able to reach the mainstream: Libertycoin needs to be the epitome of transparency. It is only up to us, the community, a very small one but the best there is, to make it so.

You maybe a tad too optimistic there. At least I am not THAT optimistic myself for I believe there could still be quite a big amount of coins to be dumped. But it really doesn't matter because the dumping so far is so clumsy and stupidly exaggerated, as I stated, that it only works in the long term favor of those of us who believe in Libertycoin and the very near and brilliant future. So, even if the allegations are fully true and there are still millions of coins to be dumped, what is the worst that can possibly happen? That the price temporarily goes a bit lower? Is that really a bad thing if your perspective is longer than a month? Perhaps more importantly: If IE doesn't take over, the dumping is going to presumably continue just the same and we will have a very unreliable dev -at best- with the pockets full of dollars and not a care in the world other than his personal problems and pass those pesky courses in Politics and World Economics at the UNAM... not exactly in our best interest, is it?

So, the core of my proposal is that we are perfectly able to turn this discovery into the best possible situation: IE jumps all in into his ideal coin and makes it HIS. period. We all benefit.

Remember, despite short term manipulations, dumpings and other fluctuations, Libertycoin is the win-win crypto currency. The coin in which there are no losers, only winners... and those who chose to let the best opportunity of their lifetimes pass them by.

I have to take exception because what I posted I have known and followed for a few days and I wouldn't post it lightly and, definitely, it wouldn't have even call my attention if people would trade tens of thousands of coins -I do that myself on a regular basis-. Quite a different matter is the fact that I have located three wallets in total and two specifically in the last 48 hours that have liquidated their hundreds of thousand of coins. LIQUIDATED. As in selling all of them. As in destroying the wallet. That's why I know they are dumping, not trading. dumping it all. and that's why I know there's probably some merit to the allegations posted in the other thread, because these wallets had the max any other wallet has had until today in which the number one spot, at over 700k coins -more than probably Crypsy's-:around 450k each. I can only speculate -but will be able to find out easily- other "disappearances" of less inflated wallets in the 300k, 200k and probably 100k range. If it would matter. As it is, it doesn't... if IE takes over. If he doesn't... well, it will be an entirely different ballgame.

So you may choose to believe whatever you want but when I post something is the fruit of extensive DUE DILIGENCE and although subject to personal interpretations in this case, the indications are extraordinarily clear and point, with great precision towards the only point in which someone with free access to millions of coins obtained for free, is starting to sell then... in quite a hurry, actually.

Edit to add: I will remind here those with bad memory and those new to the events at BC, that i was not just the fiercest critic of some of Iconic's ideas -very specific the ill-conceived "public manipulation" he proposed, among others-, but also of his oversized ego who gets in the way of admitting criticisms of any kind even when strictly proactive and constructive. So my proposal of IE taking over here has a significance, I think, that should be appreciated. To put it simply, once again, I want this coin to be very successful, I know it can be and I believe IE is the man for the job of getting there. I am fully aware it is not going to be a road of roses and I will, no doubt, clash with IE in some if not most of his ideas. But I believe, shortcomings aside on both sides, we have earned a mutual respect and out of that, only full cooperation and honest disagreements and criticism -both things positive, in my estimation- can happen while he points out the path to follow. 

I take your definition of "a coin dev" is some sort of coder/programmer, right? Well, "dev" is short for "developer" and developer means to develop or, in layman's terms, the individual or individuals that bring a coin into existence... existence being creating value through demand (as in NOT through coding). I believe you mean will he be able to solve the technical challenges inherent to the process of development of Libertycoin? I don't know if he himself will have that ability/talent. But I DO know he is way more qualified than anyone currently in such a position, to seek and get the best help as needed. In other words, whether or not he is the "whole package" he is indeed the best package out there to be able to take this coin to the top of its possibilities.

Furthermore, I believe that if he is not fully able to do so, it is in his interest to decline the proposal.

Needless to say, I fully expect not only he will take the challenge but resolve it brilliantly.

I'm going to push the hand a little bit. I don't know if the charges that Libertycoin was instamined by the dev are true or not. At this point, with the evidence that I have, I am going to assume that, at least in part, they are true. KI have been watching and investigating, as everyone knows. And I have found clear, irrefutable evidence of some major, sustained, dumping taking place. Mind you, there are only 16.5 million Libertycoins so any significant amount will have an impact even when our volume on average if north of $650k daily.

in the last 48 hours, at least 2 wallets have dumped ALL its coins, to add up to almost 900,000 XLB. There have been other significant movements, such as partial sales of 100k, 65k and 50k amongst the top in the "richest list". There's no way for me to know who are those dumping but to any one with even the smallest common sense, this can only point in one direction: Someone who got enormous amounts for free. Someone who instamined. It is also someone who, in spite of the obvious, which is that within days, this coin is going to be worth much more that 9 cents of a dollar. And yet, he takes chunks of less than $20k at a time... why? well, I know who the guy is -the main guy, at least-. First, he has never seen $20k in his life; second, he's a student in Mexico city working on 2 different majors and several business related to altcoins, one is one exchange, the other is a "farm of coins" as it were. You copy-paste the generic code and input the name and specifications and sell it to everyone. He's a very bright guy who learned to code not long ago and has learned as he went, the intricacies of C and Java but remains a guy who knows a bit of everything and nothing of significance of anything. And, obviously, he knows very little about financials -although one of his majors, in early stages, is precisely that one (the other being politics).

You, my friends, up until know, have your money tied with this guy, a website maker with wordpress and no sense of responsibility, besides some personal problems that can easily supersede any "obligation" to this potential jewel of a coin.

I have asked IE to take over as of immediately. We all know he is the one that can take this ship home. He was lied to by the dev -promised no dumping- and he is interested both personally and financially in the maximum success of Libertycoin. He has, more importantly, the ability, knowledge and community support to achieve this.

I ask you to press him to take over immediately. I don't know how much dumping is still left. No matter. If it is still quite a bit, the sooner it is distributed to wiser hands the better. Most in this great community will see this for what it is, a needed growing pain of which we will rebound much more healthier and with a much clearer and define future.

In any case, this is my contribution to the community of Libertycoin to which I will belong for a long and very prosperous times. You, of course, the community at large, are the ones burdened with the final decision if IE decides, as I expect him to do, to pick up the baton and take it all the way to the gold.

It is possible that this will be deleted here, it won't in other threads, so it will be an exercise in futility to delete it, but I am counting on it. Deleted or not, this comes on Libertycoin Day. The best possible date for a new, REAL, beginning.