Now I am taking an interested look at that other thread of the coin that the whole dev team officially recommended to its PINK coin holders.

I believe that following that official recommendation would have already resulted in losses of over 90% of their investment?

But who's counting, right? Oh, and of course, SEED is a LONG TERM (years) investment... that's where the real money is. I never, ever quite get that...

There are several states in the US where Fantasy Sports -with entry fee- is or may be considered gambling, therefore illegal. Specifically Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, Montana and Washington.

We wouldn't want investors in BRO to lose 20 BTC, would we?

But you are right, sorry for the off topic.

Everyone knows that "crimes of money" (and many times others too) don't automatically mean prison in the US... unless you are poor. But it shut their business and cost them $731 million to avoid the bars... I doubt this project can afford to even contemplate such an outcome but then again what do I know?

You, on the other hand, own all of PESA already ...

I believe clarity benefits everyone: Not only poker but any kind of bet for money whatsoever, would be illegal in ALL of the United States and related territories.

With all due respect for Mr. Gzesh's knowledge, this is THE LAW: https://www.fdic.gov/news/news/financial/2010/fil10035a.pdf

Additionally, I am quite sure Mr. Gzesh is aware of the outcome of the federal prosecution of PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Absolute Poker.

That's what makes it peculiar... And the post was quite on topic. Check it for yourself, it's at the very beginning (first page). You guys fully quote the post but have actually deleted it.

Ah the ubiquitous FUD... you can just go right ahead and delete my uncomfortable posts with all those pesky questions. The FUD excuse is old, very old.

Oh and, by the way, at least one post has been deleted. Peculiarly enough, one that has been repeatedly quoted (by you, among others), before deletion. Go figure.

It will be. There's no other purpose to it.

Thanks for answering and identifying yourself Jay.

The excuses for the censored thread are just not serious, sorry.

In other words, zero transparency in effect, since not even you are willing to identify yourself and prefer to remain hidden behind the handle. Check.

No amount of caustic rhetoric will dim the fact that, in most of the US, gambling is illegal. And federally prosecuted. By several agencies, more notably the FBI. So, to be quite clear, except for residents of Nevada and Atlantic City, gambling in your sites will be an illegal activity no matter where your sites are registered in. Digital currencies themselves are already regulated in New York, with much more coming in there and everywhere so this gambling operation, as far as the US is concerned, is a non-viable enterprise.

The "pro" endorsement/marketing plan... well, these "celebrities" are so, in a quickly diminishing way, in the world of poker ONLY. And not nearly the cream of the crop in that world either. The poker tour has been demoted to "infomercial TV time" already for a long time. And the "endorsements" these "pros" can get these days are nil. None... since the best ones they used to have years ago were for "gaming websites" that have gradually disappeared to federal prosecution and the remaining ones being shot down one at a time... regardless where, geographically, they are based. So the actual value of that support is doubtful at best.

There is also still no explanation of what Bergstake is (in a comprehensible way, I mean) but, at this point, in what concerns me, it is no longer necessary for I don't consider your project to be viable, sorry.

You cannot have it both ways. The ONLY reason to have a censored thread is to de facto eliminate freedom of speech and there's no legitimate way to justify it.

No "ifs' no "buts".

Thank you. I hope your BRO never merits one.

Except for one thing: You guys use anonymous handles here... I assume you are Jay Berg. am I right? And if so -and that and every case, why not use your real names instead of anon handles?

Another thing: The whole concept of Bergstake is totally new and, to me ay least, not clearly explained either here or in the website: What exactly is Bergstake? What exactly is Bergstake in relationship to BRO? After PoW, only Bergstake -whatever it is- can mine BRO? What's the difference between BRO (virgin) and BRO "used" (purchased).

Yet another thing: A very big amount of BRO (and Bergstake, I assume) is reserved for various concepts, without any particular figure assigned to each. For instance, how much will go to developers? how much to marketing/promotion (and here the concept is even more confusing for Wells and his Soda & Lime are part of the "team", whatever that means... is it team of developers?

You are taking, if I am correct in my calculations, 67% of the entire project -a significant portion of it in advance, through the ICO- for "the team" --- and future development. But of that future development, we are left to see nothing. Of course there will be new features, but which are the aim? The coin is already energy efficient, already covers most games, most betting will be quite possible also, so what "new future features" are we talking about? The ones mentioned in the site are already available in other coins and can be copy/pasted or leased rather cheaply...

As for the "pros", what is their level of involvement? Are they just being paid for lending their name to support the project or do they have any future activity/interest? If they are simply endorsing the project, how much are they being paid and for how long are they committed?

Finally, what happens when regulation comes -and it IS coming, in the US-. I am assuming you are based in the US... What happens when gambling is prosecuted as an illegal activity in the US?

Sorry I have so many questions but I believe most people interested in buying into this project will appreciate clear answers... from real people with legal names.

Thanks in advance for those.

Edit to add: Why a censored thread?

Wow. Too many (anonymous) people on the team. It gets confusing...

Hey Jim what do you think about BRO? NO LICENSE and yet there they come...

And you just registered to let us know it on your first post... sounds legit.

The gambling coin position has a new proponent: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=808648.0

Hopefully our devs will endorse it also officially.

It is sad indeed.

Your euphemisms. I have known Tranzium for a while now and he is probably quite capable on the techie side... he only insists -quite legitimately- in being paid for his work... not exactly the short of thing voluntary developers are known for... until now.

But on with the euphemisms on your "roadmap": Wallet.- yes IO take you are working full time on getting a fresh face where you can know instantly what your poker balance is and such. Maybe a lot of people will find this useful, what do I know? Initially the PINK wallet was created for two purposes only: Staking and paying/being paid. Apparently it isn't enough. Lets the gimmicks continue.

"Exchange pink". As in "Exchange" period. No advantages whatsoever over any other form of exchange of the dozens already available, most effectively and notably over bthe NEXT protocol, way more advanced, efficient and with more reach than PINK will ever get to. But hey, it's a way to get busy "working hard" for PINK, I guess...

"Pay with Pink". This is just funny. You can pay with pink, black, white and a number of other colors. Now. You don't have to implement anything. You just convert nto either BTC or Fiat, which you can do in a number of exchanges or through other intermediaries. NOW. Pay with pink will use one or more of those intermediaries -who will draw fees, of course, for every transaction-, so,m really, there's nothing at all "created". Just smoke and mirrors.

Meanwhile, PINK itself will not go anywhere. It won't be promoted in any way, shape or form; people will continue being oblivious to its existence and, much less, to any inclination to be "the good guys" coin and will only be known, as it is already, as "the gambling coin" -which aint that bad, regardless how far away from it's initial purpose it is-. The transparent wallets will continue in the box, the beautiful tees will remain a memory and the charity... well. It's October. I believe it's some kinds of Cancer of Mama month which PINK -the initial one- would have done every effort to be associated with.

Then again, we were different then. And young.

Now we sell software, we gamble in poker and lottery and we promote friends' competing coins. Different perspective.

Oh and we are "honest" and quite generous... in euphemisms.

1.- Yes, CAUGHT. Were it not for the "Boxxa affair" the whole selling/auctioning of Pink's software/features would have been kept under the radar even in spite of the quite telling promo in the OP. The community was never either consulted nor told that it's platform was going to be used as a sales pointy. CAUGHT. FACT, not opinion.

2.- You are, in fact, quite mistaken. As a matter of fact at the time of posting in THE WALL OF HONOR, you were the only dev who was identified. There was  no connection then with either poker, or lottery and, obviously, no sale/auction of tech was taking place... which reminds me, since such drastic shifts in path and objectives has taken place, that Wall of Honor post needs to be revisited.

3.- Again you are (knowingly) mistaken: I did not "ask for money", I made a professional proposal, which is quite different. A professional proposal in which payment was required in exchange for services. Since all the details of the proposal are right here and quite accessible to anyone, I will let people interested check it for themselves and determine the extent of your lie.

4.- Pink is not a job. For a job you are hired (just as I would have been should my proposal had been accepted before it was withdrawn, which was almost immediately upon recognition that Danny just did not get it) and required to meet timetables, thresholds, etc. This is completely voluntary and with no pay or monetary compensation whatsoever in no form whatsoever since you can dedicate as much or as little time to it as you choose. There's only hypocrisy on YOUR part for you know very well the difference between a voluntary collaboration and a professional commitment.

5.- the problem here doesn't "seem", IS, that you are using the platform of PINK to sell software which, in effect, makes PINK of no value whatsoever technically since its features can and are bought but any other coin that so pleases. Coming back to the analogy with coca and pepsi, it is akin to selling the coca-cola formula to any beverage company interested in it... with the money going to dealers in the transaction, NOT the stakeholders of the company. Get it now or want to keep on pretending you dont?

6.- As stated above you CHOOSE, at any given time, to be as committed as you choose, from fully to not at all, without any control or otherwise say by any of the stakeholders of PINK.

7.- That is a "new rule" you just invented and doesn't figure anywhere in the declaration of intentions of the dev team when this was announced. The call, as you put it, should be made by the stakeholders of PINK, not by the devs themselves that, again, are using the platform for their own personal gain and not the benefit of the project. As a matter of fact, "boxxa's" exit -and subsequent charge of extortion attempt-, clearly illustrates that the brotherhood of the devs of PINK has total and final say on what's done and that anyone straying from that particular protocol, is shown the door. Mafia style, to be quite frank... which at least is consistent with the new direction of PINK as the gambling coin.

8.- Coins die and live for all kinds of reasons. The innovation in the revamped pink was in it's good guys approach -quite a novelty then-, not in it's technology/features, not in it's gambling activities, not in it's connection to Danny and poker. It was the committed charity coin. No shady deals. No anonimity. Total transparency and a commitment to certain values such as honesty and generosity. It was quite innovative, in fact. And fully deserving of WALL OF HONOR inclusion. Of course we can only speculate at this point, and in the future, where would PINK have gone if it would have stayed on that initial course instead of straying into becoming "the gambling coin", "the coin that sells/auctions its features for the profit of their developers" and "the coin that uses their official thread to promote the projects of their developers' friends".

9.- There are many potential ways to increase the price in a digital coin... all of them tried already, so there's no innovation left in that field. But sex sells, traditionally, quite well. In everything, crypto included. So why not giving it a try and branch out into porn and prostitution? we are already halfway there anyway... illegal drugs could be another possibility, what do you think? I'm quite sure if you were invested in the coin, you would love it and so would many if not most of those invested in it. Just bumping a couple of ideas since, of course, you would want to see the increase in price... and, of course, you would still maintain that no shit in focus or direction would be taking place.

As I told you before Sony, this is quite an exercise in wasting time for we are in different galaxies you and me when it comes to this subject and we could continue for another 20 pages sticking to our respective pretenses with more or less twists of the truth, attempts at manipulation or mistaken assumptions. Everyone that is possibly interested though, has already enough material to make up their own minds and that and only that should be the purpose of these dissertations.

Personally, after an update in The Wall of Honor, I have wasted enough time already.