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3181  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Collective bets in local lotteries on: August 01, 2023, 09:39:31 PM
Would like to know your takes on betting as a group to raise chances in local
Lotteries

I know that mathematically the chances are still really low even if you multiply it 100x but in Brazil at least we’ve seen some local lottery prizes given for small groups of 20 or 30 people betting betting with 5000x tickets let’s say

If dreaming alone is cool dreaming in groups can be even better

On an intuitive level, I don't like this idea. But from a mathematical point of view, it might make sense. For example, the main prize in the lottery is $50 million. For a certain number of separate players, one million dollars is enough to completely solve their life problems. Thus, it will be beneficial for them to gather in a group of 50 people and play together - they will increase the chance of receiving the required amount by 50 times, which is very good.
3182  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: August 01, 2023, 09:32:58 PM
I bet that Haaland not only will continue to score goals like that, but he will also score a lot more. The main reason is that everyone is tightly marking Haaland now, which results with him not being able to score that easily, but if he can't score easily, then how could he score more?

The main reason is that after first few weeks, like maximum of 10 but probably less, teams will realize that Haaland is not their only scorer, and City is using him as bait, you fear him scoring, so others score easier. Then teams will end up defending normally, and that will make Haaland score a lot easier as well. That's how I think the season will go, first 2 months not that great, after that it is all goals galore for him until the end.

Interesting theory (I don't believe in it) but with City having at least a couple of very weak teams in the group stage, Haaland could try to score a record number of Champions League goals. The bar set by Ronaldo is very high, but so is City's degree of dominance. Therefore, if he manages to make a hat-trick a couple of times in the group stage, then everything is possible.
3183  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: August 01, 2023, 09:11:26 PM
These rumors are spread by those who know nothing about football, but nevertheless a very funny rumor  Grin
As for the secret agreement between Real Madrid and Mbappe, either it is completely legal, or it is really secret and PSG can complain anywhere, but they have no evidence, so their complaints will remain empty words. If it were otherwise, we would have already seen specific accusations and not whining spread through 3rd parties.
Sometimes rumors are exaggerated or exaggerated by someone who doesn't know the original story even though we ourselves, who are often here reading all the news, dont necessarily know the truth of every rumor that is here and I am a little surprised if the Kylian Mbappe problem is linked to Real Madrid mistakes, that very ridiculous .
Even though Real Madrid are not really after this player, they are waiting for Kylian Mbappe to become a free agent or if not Paris SG lowers the contract price, but I admit that it is possible between Real Madrid and Paris SG and Kylian Mbappe to negotiate, but that does not mean that this is Real Madrid fault.
A little surprised by the rumors that are always exaggerated like this which makes me laugh a little loudly reading it

The problem with these rumors, which have been appearing in various variations lately, is not that their information is not true, but that they are fundamentally wrong. PSG cannot sell Mbappe anywhere without his will. PSG can't sell Mbappe at all - they can only agree to a forfeit if Mbappe moves to another club before the end of the contract. But in the rumors, Mbappe is described as a slave who can be sold anywhere.
3184  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 01, 2023, 09:07:12 PM
Manè to Saudi League deal done.

Salary of 40m year and Europe lost another big player, more will leave in this final month.

In Bavaria, he was getting 25 million a year before taxes, and in Al Nasr he will get 40 million a year after taxes. In terms of money, a perfect decision, but it's hard to see how the career of a football player who was the second contender for the Ballon d'or in just two years went downhill. But the way the Saudis are getting stronger continues to please me.
3185  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 01, 2023, 09:01:31 PM
In the meantime, quotes have surfaced on who will win the title this season:

Manchester City 1.73

Arsenal 6.00

Liverpool 9.00

Manchester United 12.00

Chelsea 13.00

Newcastle United 15.00

Tottenham Hotspur 41.00

In my opinion, Arsenal is a little overrated (relative to all clubs except City, i don’t consider City at all and consider them a clear favorite). It is quite interesting that Newcastle is in the main group of teams (we are talking about the title and not the top 4!), well Tottenham without comments  Grin

The odds for Tottenham seem funny to me because as I can see there are not many people who think Tottenham will have the chance to even race for the title mostly beaus they made a bad decision by firing their coach Conte in last season instead of hiring better players.

I was not expecting to see 15 for Newcastle but maybe this is mostly because of their amazing performance in the last season in which they got the champions league ticket.

But regarding Manchester United maybe it with to risk it because now after Ten Hag started the season having better trainings we can expect to see more from this team.

Tottenham has an honest underdog quote. It's both sad and funny at the same time, but on paper they look weaker than the other 6 teams so it's a fair quote. As for United, the coefficient probably reflects the real chances (why shouldn’t the clear favorite and two weaker pursuers fall into a crisis once every 12 years and give the title to another strong team), but given the duration of the tournament, I won’t wait for it to play (at it can take up to 20-30 years due to dispersion haha).
3186  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Italian Serie A ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: August 01, 2023, 06:23:48 PM
I posted a link to a thread that lists all the sportsbet pools in my local, and given what I wrote there about how much I won last season (the final result was very good), it's likely that someone will join  Smiley
I think the only thing that stops some people from participating is the awareness of the distance - you need to have some discipline to regularly make predictions without interruption.

That's great to hear man, it's the least you could do for winning so much every season lol but yes I hope we get new users joining us, I like BSFL energy from new people, plus old users like you keep winning  Grin

I agree about discipline but Superbru makes it easy to put advance picks which is what I try to do all the time in case of bad luck. BSFL timezone issue doesn't really apply to pools like this. GL... NOT!!

What I really like about Superbru is their persistence  Cheesy I turned on the notification option and they send a message that it is necessary to make predictions, first it seems a couple of days before the games, then one day and then the day when the games take place. And all this is done in ultimatum formulations marked "Urgent"  Grin And it really works - out of 4 pools in which I participated, I did not miss a single game.
3187  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: August 01, 2023, 06:18:20 PM
If Joselu has no quality, then why did Real Madrid sign him? In fact, Joselu is also 33 years old, which basically Joselu is not worthy of playing at Real Madrid. But strangely, if Joselu has no quality and is not worthy of playing at Real Madrid because of his old age, why and why Real Madrid actually brought Joselu. If it's just to fill a void, I think Real Madrid don't need to sign Joselu and leave the position empty and can rely on other young players in the Real Madrid squad. Real Madrid's signing of Joselu is definitely a very strange signing.

Yes, it looks weird. Maybe Real wants to have an experienced striker for rotation, but for me the figure of Joselu looks absolutely random (why is exactly he), because we are talking about Real. And as far as I can tell, this signing happened even if Mbappe is bought this season, it is clearly part of a different plan than a temporary replacement for the top striker.
3188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: August 01, 2023, 06:05:03 PM
It is true that the July 31 deadline for the contract renewal given by PSG management to Mbappe has expired, Mbappe will automatically be sold without the slightest doubt by PSG this summer. Reportedly PSG will report Real Madrid to FIFA in the near future, PSG suspects that Madrid have reached an underhand agreement with Mbappe and approached his players without their permission. I think this will add to the complexity of the French national team striker's transfer process.

It could be that the pressure received by PSG due to Real Madrid actions will result in Mbappe being sold to rival club Barcelona. There are rumors Barca are working out a strategy to sign Mbappe and swap him for three of their players Gavi, Dembele and Raphinha.

These rumors are spread by those who know nothing about football, but nevertheless a very funny rumor  Grin
As for the secret agreement between Real Madrid and Mbappe, either it is completely legal, or it is really secret and PSG can complain anywhere, but they have no evidence, so their complaints will remain empty words. If it were otherwise, we would have already seen specific accusations and not whining spread through 3rd parties.
3189  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: August 01, 2023, 05:55:30 PM
So, already on August 1st (at least in my country) - did PSG manage to buy Dembele for 50 million or will they now be forced to pay 100?
A funny nuance - whatever the amount of the transfer, Barcelona will receive only 50% of it. The rest will go to Dembele himself and his agent. The guy obviously had a plan when he agreed to a pay cut but made such a clause in the contract!  Grin
It is hilarious to see how PSG are throwing their money that way. From useless elevated salaries of some players, to giving Mbappe €40m for free since they refused to let him go, to looking speechless the release clause of Dembele doubling...
The finance of PSG is weird and corrupted from what I see. Other than helping out Barcelona finance, I don't figure out why they are doing this!

Given the fact that Barcelona was very offended by the fact that PSG was "stealing" a key player from them and even demanded that UEFA check PSG for fair play (which, by the way, is quite reasonable because what PSG is doing cannot fit into any framework of fair play) I would not say that this is a covert deal between Barcelona and PSG.
3190  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: August 01, 2023, 05:50:55 PM
In the meantime, quotes have surfaced on who will win the title this season:

Manchester City 1.73

Arsenal 6.00

Liverpool 9.00

Manchester United 12.00

Chelsea 13.00

Newcastle United 15.00

Tottenham Hotspur 41.00

In my opinion, Arsenal is a little overrated (relative to all clubs except City, i don’t consider City at all and consider them a clear favorite). It is quite interesting that Newcastle is in the main group of teams (we are talking about the title and not the top 4!), well Tottenham without comments  Grin
3191  Local / Майнеры / Re: Донеси на майнера в РФ on: August 01, 2023, 05:38:45 PM
Проблема расчета этих микроокупаемостей в том что в основном пропускается стоимость суеты. Одно дело если вы вложили 10 миллионов, то окупаемость в 400 дней выглядит хорошо (и даже суперприбыльно) и свою суету тут можно не считать, а вот если речь о 100-200 тысячах, то с учетом суеты прибыльность на круг выглядит как овчинка выделки не стоит. И это без учета рисков/амортизации.
лень еще. после жирных 2-3 лет еще бы копеечки эти считать.
я стараюсь считать кпд еще. если с этой суеты я получу меньше, чем занимаясь это же время другим делом - я буду заниматься другим делом. и во время на отдых-семью-хобби я уже не полезу ради доп копеечки.

100%. Я после жирных периодов тоже ленился и на более мелкие/отработанные проекты смотрел свысока. Хотя оказалось что и отработанные проекты можно хорошо раскрутить с новых так сказать ракурсов.

В теории имея 10 миллионов можно удвоится за 400 дней, но где 900 видеокарт 5600 хт в хорошем состоянии для такого майнинга купить? Если новые ГПУ не всегда копают без сбоев, то с гпу после майнинга будут браки и другие сложности. Новье увеличит окупаемость до 1000 дней.

А еще куда их поставить и кем/в какой срок собрать/подключить/обслуживать. В этом и проблема низкорентабельного суечения - при масштабировании стоимость суеты превращается в большую сумму, которую мы как бы не видим на маленьких масштабах.
3192  Local / Майнеры / Re: Майнинг здох? on: August 01, 2023, 05:31:45 PM
А если есть выгодное направление (или бычий рынок) разве большая разница в стоимости ЭЭ? В моем регионе кажется для населения 6,6 а для юриков 10. Кажется что +50% выглядит сурово, но минус риски уголовок и т.д. плюс я все-таки говорю о бычьем рынке и выгодных направлениях а не о сидении на дохлой лошади где весь навар это разница в стоимости ЭЭ для юриков и населения.
после бычки приходит медвежка. если берем по времени по 2 года - то 2 года придется доплачивать из своего кармана и не факт, что копаемый шиток даст иксы. а обратно спрыгнуть на физлицо уже вряд ли получится. объективно глядючи, на хорошем профите надо уже закладываться на криптозиму, но там столько дел - карт докупить например по х2, пока они не стали по х5, помещение новое взять под расширение.  в итоге к моменту, когда деньги надо доставать из собственного кармана - там остается не так уж и много.

Ну так 2 года это 730 дней, тут в соседней теме разговор про окупаемость в 200-400 дней на убитом рынке. По идее как раз надо успеть окупиться пока вообще какой-то профит есть. А потом просто не майним (и таким образом спрыгиваем). Я вообще против того чтобы баловаться чем-то в районе рентабельности - "бесплатно" расширяться невозможно, любое движение не в нашу пользу бьет непосредственно по карману. Нафиг надо  Smiley

Стандартный пример, его часто приводят майнеры. 2 фермы на балконе  или 2 контейнера асиков? С асиками снижение стоимости на 50% за ЭЭ будет очень хорошим бонусом по сравнению с видеокартами.

Я хз что это за стандарт такой, это вопрос из области: чем лучше торговать - яблоками на рынке или нефть танкерами возить. Этими вещами занимаются совсем разные люди. И промышленный манинг именно таков: всегда стремится к среднерыночной рентабельности (которая весьма и весьма низка) и понятно что изменение цены одной из основных статей расходов на 50% очень сильно влияет на всё.

А по статьям че говорить то. Не пришьют злоупотребление доверием, то пришьют незаконную коммерцию или другие нарушения.

Это да. Но непонятно почему вы в одном месте пишите "никто не поверит и все будет заебись" а тут с реальным взглядом на вещи  Wink
3193  Other / Archival / Re: [BTC] Лотереи, Конкурсы, Раздачи... on: August 01, 2023, 05:13:53 PM
Смогу ли я отбить внесенные 9,5 (7,5 внес и еще 2 внесу в Фэнтези) mbtc?  Roll Eyes Ах, да, еще в предыдущем сезоне отбил  Cool
Однозначно ... в прошлом сезоне в сумме прилетело около 0.06 btc, у KTC эта сума еще больше (по идее).  Tongue

Ага, c АПЛ я получил 13 mbtc, с Ла Лиги 18,5, с Лиги Чемпионов 116. И еще 1800 баксов это фрибет за Лигу Чемпионов который я удачно раскрутил и вывел. Итого с учетом трат примерно в 10 mbtc (я участвовал в Ла Лиге, Серии А, АПЛ, Лиге Чемпионов и Фэнтези Кубка Мира) профит равен ~0,137 битка + 1800 баксов.
3194  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 31, 2023, 09:43:56 PM
PSG and Liverpool are said to be in talks for Mbappe to play the last year of his contract at Liverpool on loan. But I do not understand how they can interest him in such an option. Liverpool isn't even in the Champions League. As we saw with the rejected proposal from the Saudis, Mbappe is no longer simply lured with money.
It is not as if Mbappe is not lured by money, of course money plays an important role in how footballers make decisions regarding their career. Mbappe was never going to move to Saudi Arabia because he is very young and one of the best players in the world, he is also already one of the highest paid footballers in the world in PSG and he also earns a huge amount in loyalty bonuses.

Liverpool can't even afford to pay Mbappe's wages for one year, thus there is no chance in hell that he is going to Anfield, Mbappe is either staying in PSG or moving to Real Madrid, i don't think there are any other feasible options.

Salary is not the problem - after all, PSG would probably be able to pay part of Mbappe's salary (just like they are willing to pay part of Neymar's salary if he moves to another club - they want to get rid of him so badly). The problem is different - how do you lure Mbappe to Liverpool without the Champions League + the high probability that being in Liverpool Mbappe will lose a face-to-face duel to Haaland? Mbappe is no fool and would never take such a bad deal.
3195  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Football Transfers Speculation, Odds and Predictions on: July 31, 2023, 09:37:26 PM
So, already on August 1st (at least in my country) - did PSG manage to buy Dembele for 50 million or will they now be forced to pay 100?
A funny nuance - whatever the amount of the transfer, Barcelona will receive only 50% of it. The rest will go to Dembele himself and his agent. The guy obviously had a plan when he agreed to a pay cut but made such a clause in the contract!  Grin
3196  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) on: July 31, 2023, 09:26:41 PM
Kylian Mbappe at the end of his contract will receive a loyalty bonus of 80 million euros and today it is reported that Kylian Mbappe will receive half of his loyalty clause with PSG of 40 million euros. That means PSG has to provide quite a lot of money because the renewal of his contract with Mbappe requires him to guarantee this bonus.

I think saying he wants to stay this far means PSG have to spend that money and indeed this is one of the advantages why Mbappe doesn't want to leave PSG before his contract expires. Of course PSG is quite annoyed with this and on the other hand they also made such an agreement. It seems that PSG are no longer comfortable with Mbappe's behavior and want to sell him as soon as possible before Ligue 1 starts in 12 days.

In France and Spain, the transfer window closes on September 1st, so we will wait another month for this situation to be resolved. I thought that PSG would be able to sell Mbappe before August 1st, but it looks like they are not going to adequately reduce the price of him and thus he will leave them for free in a year. Well, they have a month left to change their outlook on things.
3197  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 31, 2023, 09:19:09 PM

Yes, Atlantic Madrid sounds pretty good for the MLS, by the way  Grin
As for your question, it's me. I believe that Atlético may well kick City out of the Champions League - in the 21-22 season they played almost on an equal footing with City and City at the end of the game played exactly the shameful Simeone football (tightening time, fouls, senseless ball control).

I am definitely not one of those who'd say that Atletico has no chance because that's wrong, Atletico has a chance as much as any other team has a chance to win a game against Manchester City. But the relative strength of the two teams has shifted significantly over recent years and yet the game has to be played. But if that games was repeated many times, I would say that Manchester City would win significantly more games than they tie or lose against Atletico considering their present state.

Atletico a few years ago was the most inconvenient and nasty team to play against because of their attitude and their quality. There was an evil, yet effective synergy between their attitude and their quality. But do you think that they still have that quality? The attitude might be the same, but the quality isn't. That's what I can tell from my point of view.

There is no doubt that City will win most of the games in a long series. But Atlético are an awkward opponent for City in their style and if they are in shape or luck is on their side they can win. As for their current quality, firstly, the upcoming season will show, and secondly, it is obvious that Atlético has regressed in recent years. I think the problem is Diego Simeone - he is stuck in one place and it is high time for him to leave, if only to refresh his football experience in another club/League.
3198  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ Sportsbet.io ⚽ Italian Serie A ⚽ Football Pool Discussion Thread 2023/2024 on: July 31, 2023, 09:09:14 PM
I don't mind either but I see this as longterm effect. Immediate effect of more people is higher prizes. Longterm effect is more activity, more attention to sponsors so bigger return of value. Sponsorship grows every season and this is mainly because we have seen the pools get more and more popular each year.

Thanks to SB and even buwa who chip in every season. Lets get more people in Smiley Like you said 1.5 mbtc is crazy low fee for sooo much prizes!!

I posted a link to a thread that lists all the sportsbet pools in my local, and given what I wrote there about how much I won last season (the final result was very good), it's likely that someone will join  Smiley
I think the only thing that stops some people from participating is the awareness of the distance - you need to have some discipline to regularly make predictions without interruption.
3199  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sportsbet.io's English Premier League Football Pool Discussion Thread on: July 31, 2023, 09:02:18 PM
KTChampion needs to have some penalty points if he decides to join. At least 20 points penalty for him. Do we all agree with it? I will pay for him if he decides to starts from 20 points behind LOL
He's running out of luck this season trust me.    Grin
Hope he will. I see many of us sinners are cursing him and form all of us one must be the biggest sinner who's prayers are undeniable LOL
~

I joined the pool a couple of weeks ago  Grin By the way, last season I took only 8th place, why does anyone care about my luck?  Roll Eyes
And I agree that last season was for me the realization of the adage "beginners are lucky" but this season I do not expect much. Also, I want to try radically different prediction strategies (if I have time to think through them well by the beginning of the season), so it will probably be a minus for me.
3200  Other / Archival / Re: [BTC] Лотереи, Конкурсы, Раздачи... on: July 31, 2023, 07:15:46 PM
Кстати, кому интересно вот полный список пулов спонсируемых sportsbet.io:

[Guide] ⚽ Sportsbet.io sponsored Football Pools ⚽ 2023/2024

Я вошел во все (кроме того который для участников немецкого локала), и в фэнтези пул тоже войду на днях, пока что нет времени чтобы с ним разобраться (там это точно потребуется).

Смогу ли я отбить внесенные 9,5 (7,5 внес и еще 2 внесу в Фэнтези) mbtc?  Roll Eyes Ах, да, еще в предыдущем сезоне отбил  Cool
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