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381  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 22, 2016, 11:11:50 PM
Quote from: ohad
Hang on,
"If Turing completeness is faulty" "there will be no other option than to exit the position of using Turing complete technology."
Which one are you talking about? Unless you mean both?
"Turing-completeness" is to "Turing-complete" what "Madness" is to "Mad": just a way to name the quality of something being Turing-complete.

From what I've heard, if you believe in Turing completeness, pick Tau-Chain.
If you believe in software being Turing Complete, pick Ethereum.
This doesn't make sense to me. Typo?


Ok. Well I found where I got that from. It's this: (not the full post)
My ideas:

Marketing
More interviews explaining how TAU is security (Turing completeness) and expressability (The new Tau language)     (correct if this is not true)
If you believe in Turing complete: Ethereum
If you believe in Turing completeness: Tau
If you're not sure: Diversify in both

So I guess that's not a good explanation? (Sorry Rw13enlib88)
Actually I think I'm just reading into it way too much. Smiley


Quote
turing complete languages leave you helpless predicting what your code is going to do, except the "wait and see" way
Ohad, can you give us an example of this? Show us how it would work, because I don't understand how it works. Smiley

I can try to give you an analogy. Let's take cargo ships for instance.
[great explanation] 
Wow, thank you for taking the time to explain that for me. Now I understand very well.
382  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 22, 2016, 12:12:44 PM
Ohad, can you give us an example of this? Show us how it would work, because I don't understand how it works. Smiley

did you watch this talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utggm7cuGbo&list=PLav2klOnTUlN6UynNT-_8hTs1FtF0fGbl&index=3 ?
Yes, I have watched this video, but I watched it again.
I understand what tau-chain will do, but I just don't understand how. I think i'll need to watch it again. Smiley

So, that lawyer contract you described at the beginning would be rejected by tau-chain, right?

right
tau's logic is martin lof type theory http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/type-theory-intuitionistic/
Ok, so if you wanted to make a contract like the lawyer one in tau-chain, then would you have to say that if there is a contradiction then the teacher needs to be paid? Or would something else need to be done? Or maybe that contract can't be described in tau's code. (I don't know Smiley)
Sorry for the questions. :/
383  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 21, 2016, 10:14:38 PM
Ohad, can you give us an example of this? Show us how it would work, because I don't understand how it works. Smiley

did you watch this talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Utggm7cuGbo&list=PLav2klOnTUlN6UynNT-_8hTs1FtF0fGbl&index=3 ?
Yes, I have watched this video, but I watched it again.
I understand what tau-chain will do, but I just don't understand how. I think i'll need to watch it again. Smiley

So, that lawyer contract you described at the beginning would be rejected by tau-chain, right?
384  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 21, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Quote
Hang on,
"If Turing completeness is faulty" "there will be no other option than to exit the position of using Turing complete technology."

Which one are you talking about? Unless you mean both?
From what I've heard, if you believe in Turing completeness, pick Tau-Chain.
If you believe in software being Turing Complete, pick Ethereum.
(Someone recently said this but I can't remember who)

if you believe math, pick tau Wink
turing complete languages leave you helpless predicting what your code is going to do, except the "wait and see" way
Ohad, can you give us an example of this? Show us how it would work, because I don't understand how it works. Smiley
385  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 21, 2016, 08:59:00 PM
Is there a real chance that Tau-Chain can overtake ethereum in the future?
I heard Microsoft is using ethereum. Why would it be better for them to use Tau-chain?

This has probably been answered before, sorry.

If Turing completeness is faulty and cannot be used appropriatley there will be no other option than to exit the position of using Turing complete technology.

For example you can see some examples of software that are accidentally turing complete my favourite example is Pokemon Yellow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness#Video_games

You can see how it is exploited here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UnB1fomvAw


Hang on,
"If Turing completeness is faulty" "there will be no other option than to exit the position of using Turing complete technology."

Which one are you talking about? Unless you mean both?
From what I've heard, if you believe in Turing completeness, pick Tau-Chain.
If you believe in software being Turing Complete, pick Ethereum.
(Someone recently said this but I can't remember who)
386  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 21, 2016, 05:28:23 AM
Tauchain seems to be as unsafe as Ethereum. Eth means unlimited sscripting. Tau is even more open. Anybody can do anything with it. I don't understand how this could be more safe. Even if the language is decidable, how can this prevent exploits like "the dao hack"? Anything can be buggy. Only humans (not machines) can distinguish what is a bug and what is a functionality. So I think the problem could be the same in tau - if not worse.
I thought tau-chain meant that code was determinable, as in, it would only do what you wanted and there would be no bugs.
That seems to be what this video is saying: https://youtu.be/1SXfYgQxsOA
387  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 21, 2016, 03:44:31 AM
https://blog.blockstack.org/solar-storm-a-serious-security-exploit-with-ethereum-not-just-the-dao-a03d797d98fa#.96k3gh84y

Wow, another exploit, not just in the DAO, but all of Ethereum.

I wonder what this means for Ethereum.
388  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRW][SHA256] Crowncoin. Merged Mining | Time Stamping | Name Your Address on: June 21, 2016, 03:44:17 AM
Have we been marked for delisting for a while or did it just happen? (c-cex)
389  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 19, 2016, 01:03:52 PM
Is there a real chance that Tau-Chain can overtake ethereum in the future?
I heard Microsoft is using ethereum. Why would it be better for them to use Tau-chain?

This has probably been answered before, sorry.

If Turing completeness is faulty and cannot be used appropriatley there will be no other option than to exit the position of using Turing complete technology.

For example you can see some examples of software that are accidentally turing complete my favourite example is Pokemon Yellow:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_completeness#Video_games

You can see how it is exploited here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UnB1fomvAw


Ok, so there is no real reason for Microsoft to switch to Tau-chain at the moment?

Speaking of Turing completeness and arbitrary code execution, here is my favourite: https://youtu.be/jnZ2NNYySuE

And another done without being tool assisted:
https://youtu.be/14wqBA5Q1yc
 
390  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 19, 2016, 12:22:45 PM
Is there a real chance that Tau-Chain can overtake ethereum in the future?
I heard Microsoft is using ethereum. Why would it be better for them to use Tau-chain?

This has probably been answered before, sorry.
391  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] SpreadCoin | Decentralize Everything (decentralized blockexplorer coming) on: June 19, 2016, 03:56:32 AM
Yes but only 1/3 of my mined coins are visible.  What is the command to reindex?

Only works with daemon:

spreadcoind -reindex

If this fails I suggest you erase all blockchain data (except ofcourse your wallet.dat and conf file) and let your wallet create a chain from scratch.

@Georgem do you have a bootstrap to help this re-indexing along?  I seem to have around 15000 SPR that I can not get to.  I have tried the reindex, txindex=1, verify, new wallet - import privkey, and resync blockchain.  Nothing works.  When I load the old wallet I can see the SPR sitting there however when I go to transfer or consolidate I get the runtime error as shown in the previous post.  My wallet only recognized around 7900 SPR.  I have been mining it for a couple months now.  Do you think it is possible I have been mining a wrong chain?

It should work automatically, so I think the bug might be in your wallet or something happened during the mining process.

Let's narrow it down:

1) what software did you use for mining?
2) did you mine to the same SPR address always? Or every block its own address?




Ok - I am using SP mod #9 and yes it appears that there is a different address for each mined block

Curious - how do you make it mine to only one address?

Bad news mate. If every block you mined has a different address and you do not keep the exact wallet.dat they were mined to they are lost.
If you want to mine to the same address - put a line in spreadcoin.conf with a line like that:
Code:
miningprivkey=xxxxXXdesired-address-priv-keyXXxx
That is also very NOT secure. If your SPR server's security is breached and the spreadcoin.conf file is accessed maliciously you are done (your address I mean).

yup. thats exactly how I've set up my spreadcoin.conf file.
yeah, I suppose if I were to be hacked I'd be out a dollar or 2.
but so far, my "penny jar" hasnt been attacked   (knock on wood)
apparently hackers are more interested in 3.5 million
ethereum DAO tokens or some such thing  Grin Grin




so the exact syntax is: miningprivkey-spraddress-sprprivkey - in that order with the hyphens?

meaning I need the SPR address and the SPR private key or only the private key?  It is confusing with all of the hyphens.  Thanks - pokeytex
Lol, no it's just the actual private key. That's all.
Code:
miningprivkey=actualprivatekeyonly

Haha, I see how you could be confused.
392  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [BITSYNQ] [CROWDFUND] 1ST P2P Decentralized In Wallet Applications [SYNQ.TECH] on: June 18, 2016, 10:10:19 PM
Impressive. Will be watching. I just wish there wasn't an IPO.
The decentralised casino stuff is really cool. I'm not sure if one exists right now.
393  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRW][SHA256] Crowncoin. Merged Mining | Time Stamping | Name Your Address on: June 18, 2016, 06:15:44 AM
Cheers. Do you like the video?
394  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRW][SHA256] Crowncoin. Merged Mining | Time Stamping | Name Your Address on: June 17, 2016, 09:17:43 PM
Crowncoin Paper Wallet Tutorial
395  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 17, 2016, 07:48:41 PM
Guys, what are we going to do about this other turing incomplete crypto?
http://intheoreum.org/

Cheesy
396  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRW][SHA256] Crowncoin. Merged Mining | Time Stamping | Name Your Address on: June 17, 2016, 11:12:15 AM
I made the video today and tomorrow I will upload it. (Everyone in my home was complaining of slow internet when I tried to upload today)

I sent a PM to crowncoin_knight regarding payment.
397  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRW][SHA256] Crowncoin. Merged Mining | Time Stamping | Name Your Address on: June 15, 2016, 09:10:22 PM
Hey guys, did you need any more videos/tutorials made?
If so please message me. I will be able to reply tomorrow morning. Night.

Hold that thought.

I'll contact you very soon. We will 100% want a video doing for Thrones.
But we arnt quite ready yet. Most Thrones will be windows/linux vps.
So we're going to need windows wallet builds for you to demonstrate hosting a Throne using windows.

Cheers man, i'll be intouch
Ok cool. I am waiting. In the mean time, didn't you want another video before but I said no?
I only said no because I had to study for exams but now I'm on holidays.

I also recently had to sell my CRW so I'm not sure if I should be taken of the knight list, though I do plan on making back that investment through making you guys videos.

Edit: Ah it's the paper wallet tutorial. Do you guys want that done?
398  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][CRW][SHA256] Crowncoin. Merged Mining | Time Stamping | Name Your Address on: June 15, 2016, 01:05:58 PM
Hey guys, did you need any more videos/tutorials made?
If so please message me. I will be able to reply tomorrow morning. Night.
399  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 09, 2016, 04:42:38 AM
Ok, now I have about 600 AGRS, hopefully that will be enough.

This project looks amazing, I can't wait to see what the future holds.
400  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Tau-Chain and Agoras Official Thread: Generalized P2P Network on: June 08, 2016, 12:07:04 AM
thx for the info Smiley well so few weak hands are dumping becouse the BTC fomo..

is there any kind of plan to give exchanges some liquidity to equal the price with the oficial ICO price? thx

Weak hands will sell, but once they understand the technology....

Well....

 Cheesy

I knew there was a dump coming....Great tech, I'm holding on for the long run.  Grin
Hopefully I will be able to buy some this afternoon.
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