How does it benefit a community to.. - ..give a moderator of an internet forum 6,000 BTC?
- ..require moderators and moderation from anyone other than a thread OP?
- ..have advertising forced on them?
- ..have a trust system without rebuttals?
- ..have a barrier on their activity requiring posts and time served in order to function in the community?
- ..not have basic encryption for messaging and thread visibility?
- ..be assumed as scammers instead of just untrusted?
I'm not pretending to know all the answers and these questions I'm asking and more present individual issues all of their own, but this is what I am dedicating myself to for the rest of the year until we are able to create a forum for the community that in fact serves the community. Through a transparent process of task based work, we will be partnering with Ian Knowles CIYAM Open work system (OpenTransactions is also currently using this system). There are many things to hammer out, but the general picture is: - The software will be a standalone C++ application, increasing the speed, scalability and security for everyone.
- Messages in the system will be encrypted by default by the browser
- Threads will only be visible if you have chosen to listen to, with the ability to individually and systematically remove parties from feeds
- New members will not have to wait to participate, but as with real life, will need to know someone or earn someone's trust before being able to participate in private discussions unless thread starters enable public viewing and participation
- Thread starters are moderators, programmatically impossible to add another moderator that the thread creator did not add themselves, or censor anyone system-wide without a user removing them from their listening feed.
- Thread types will vary, including debate threads with pro/con sides that work in similar fashion to StackExchange but for both sides. Voting a popular answer up will require agreeing with the pro/con side first and disable your ability to vote the opposing side up or down. There will also be live chat threads that allow voting of important chat posts to be permanently part of the thread (at the discretion of the moderator) to allow for both live and forum-style communication on a topic (not all topics are important enough to make threads about, but almost all topics end up having educational outcomes).
- Threads will allow other resources/evidence to be attached to and voted up. There is no need to hunt through 30 pages for a link, it will be on the thread's resources tab just as Wikipedia's article sources are.
- Votes only count towards issues/threads/members that have trusted your opinions
- Groups can communicate in encrypted invisible threads only inviting in whom they want to
Why should you be forced to listen to my Off-topic ramblings just because I wanted to start a topic? Why can't you ignore topics? Why would you even see my topics unless someone you trust, trusted me to post something worthwhile? Why is spam supported and encouraged? Do you want to shut me up? Then support a system that would empower you to do so without needing to make it a political or dramatic stand, yet affect what I say be forcing me to watch what I say so that you and others will listen to me and take me seriously. The cost of spamming here is far too low. Bottom line, this new software will solve both the trust and integrity issues of moderation, discussion and advertising in the bitcoin community, and the long noticed but never fixed noise-to-ratio issues. These are just a few simple additions that are planned, some are experimental and innovative to the internet as well, and as such may be faulty at first and need to be tested by a live community. It is not expected to be an overnight job but I will not give up until it has proven itself to be a success or failure as deemed by the entire community. The deal is this. You help support this effort and I will not stop working on it. I will invest my own money, what little I have when not paying for mistakes I made in bitcoin for the past 2 years. You help support with ideas and constructive criticisms, and I will never turn away from you. I will listen and try to resolve problems as they arise. You contribute what you can in the form of transparently spent funds (on CIYAM Open where each and every task is accounted for publicly to avoid even the accusation of mispending), development time, or management, and I will dedicate my life to making this forum a success not only for bitcoins, but for the internet at large. I need your interest and support, I need your comments, your healthy constructive criticisms, it is what drives my passion, and my passion is clearly one of the strongest in this entire community or else I wouldn't annoy so many people with my occasional misguided words. Message me if you think it's a good idea. Pledge yourself to move to this new forum when it gets done. Message me if you think it will end bad and want to give some advice on how to save it. Comment in here regardless. Your messages are like food and water to me. It's time for something more, something worth 6000 BTC that never got spent on it. Bitcoin deserves it. We deserve it. The internet deserves it. I'll post here again when I have demo plans, accounts at CIYAM Open open, and am ready for more than just talk.
edit: I have made a spreadsheet to display current objectives as far as features, as well as to show support of pledgers. Pledgers can be people who support with donation pledges towards feature task completion on CIYAM Open, time for development, marketing, branding, hosting, or just general support and a pledge to move to the new software for testing once completed. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ajtx05YrHtIydGlfTDRzdE5tYldEWDNUZFh5WDk3ZGc&usp=sharingWhen the above "pledge" sheet has 100 names on it, I will start producing design and flow demos and add them here. |
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I run the 3D printing machines at my local library. I don't think printing them out would work well, as they only print out hard plastic.
Technically, you can print out other materials (on specialized machines), but I don't think it would make sense on a baseball...
Maybe he could make Mason brand Wiffleballs instead.  Wiffleballs are easy to print. You'd just need to add internal supports, and take them out at the end. Is it super hot when it prints? If not, I guess you could use a could use a blow-up ball shape holder like a balloon and miniature beach ball. |
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I run the 3D printing machines at my local library. I don't think printing them out would work well, as they only print out hard plastic.
Technically, you can print out other materials (on specialized machines), but I don't think it would make sense on a baseball...
Maybe he could make Mason brand Wiffleballs instead. |
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Anyone else picturing this while reading this thread?  Don't see Werner in that picture... Your wish is my command. Try to spot him if you can.  |
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I'm nit meaning to be insulting here or childish.
I was being sarcastic starting from the second sentence if you couldn't tell  |
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if it can make it through customs i'd entertain it. anyone interested please send a link to your work!
You can trust me (despite my title), I am a graphics designer and have many graphics designer at my employ as well (I used to be the Editor in Chief of Bitcoin Magazine as one explanation for this). I do not participate in spec work though ( http://no-spec.com) so you'll have to give me some info about your company, products, and intended audience. Go! |
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I came to comment on "Oh-oh". It's "Uh-oh", or comically "Ruh roh" if you want your audience to read your text in Scooby Doo's voice. Get it right, internet.
fake edit: I always wondered why they didn't call it BitLater.
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You're on! Will you ship to Korea? Netherlands? Washington DC? The moon? (I don't know which one of those places I'll be next month so covering my bases.)
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If you have ever sold on eBay. You will find until something like this happens to you. You really haven't had the full experience. Countless times I've had someone bid on an auction and get pissed because they wher outbid. They bid and bid until the legitimate buyer stops. Once this happens the price is so inflated they can't pay. They will throw a sock puppet into the mix to cover some ass. Ebays bid history will usually show a puppet wthin moments and or the time it would take to make a fake ass account.
Perhaps an auction system is in order. Or hell just do away with auctions period. Let bitmit handle it. I mean this is funny shit and all but Jesus Christ... it isn't worth the stroke some of you are in the throws of.
The "stroke" is a moral dilemma. Grow up and join the adult conversation when you're ready to be an honest and self-governing adult. Now excuse this adult while I go back to calling Theymos a poopyhead. |
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While Max is a freak out master.. that guy is nuts and does not deserve anyone's attention.
Whatever happens, the damage and precidents have been set. The coins and the hashpower have been hoarded. Centralized beyond repair.
This has become nothing more than a false flag/ hope revolution to con us into going cashless. Did I say that already ?
Look at the "leaders" in this community for evidence of that. Nothing but cultist nonsense, irrational behavior, and constant pushing for us to break the law and "down with the governments" all while doing absolutely everything they can to make sure they are in check with the government's demands. The only service in bitcoin history that deserves an ounce of respect is the SilkRoad. |
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Ƀ is unicode and unique (unused for anything else afaik).
We don't want to reuse the Thai Baht symbol people, I don't care how pretty it looks to you.
Ł is litecoin's.
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Thanks for the post deletions guys that seriously made my day! You are all awesome sauce!
That was the mods, because of your abusive ranting, my posts, which were nothing but informative, were also removed, purely by association as I replied to yours... Me too. I made a funny and it was removed.  Now the world will never know how funny I am. |
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What the hell is happening in this thread.  |
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Doesn't matter. That case was extremely clear, especially because the contract even said that you would take a scammer tag if you didn't pay.
Yes, but I never said I wouldn't pay, I merely said I was paying a certain address that Theymos didn't agree with. Isn't that the point of communication and an "investigation"? No one even asked me, I just got a graphic from Theymos and a scammer tag. Don't make a fool of yourself by pretending that isn't reactionary. No matter how wrong I was for the prank, it was intended to be reactionary, I got exactly what I intended to get (and way way too much more I might add which I still feel stupid for), and that kind of reactionary attack from Theymos proves that he does what he wants, not what is just. When I ask him about removing a tag, he says "I will wait and see what the community thinks". That is a lack of integrity if I've ever seen one. Who gives a shit what the "community thinks"? I'm either a scammer or I'm not. I either scammed or I didn't. Doesn't Theymos have the ability to decide which one it is? Does he need to be babysat? If so, he really shouldn't be giving out scammer tags in the first place. Oh he doesn't anymore? Good! When is his given inappropriate and inaccurate "untrustworthy" tag going to be removed since he's no longer attempting to play god and just leaving it to the community to decide? Should we have a vote then so that busy Theymos isn't bothered? That's the question, isn't it. A situation like this really hasn't ever come up, so until we are convinced otherwise, it's best to take the most conservative position. In this case, that would be considering the information to be private. I would like to hear arguments for and against this position.
It's either public or it's private. Is this post public or private? If I post it with the intention of people to see it, then later change my mind, does that change my intentions? You really are corrupted if you are even discussing this. That would only be possible if he had won one of the auctions. However, since he didn't, that means that you would have been outbid regardless. Therefore, only the winners of the auctions can claim to have been scammed.
So what you're saying is, as long as you attempt to scam but don't succeed, it's okay? Oh well then, it seems that pirate bet for which I didn't accept a single bitcoin for anyone could be argued as just an attempted and failed scam, so it was okay since nothing of value was lost! You really must be corrupt if you're still arguing this. Theymos is very busy and can't really take the time right now to handle issues that don't already have a clear consensus. He's free to respond, of course, but I won't push him to.
Dear leader needs time to count forum money and cover tracks for Garr255 it appears. How many shares of his mining or stock operation do you and Theymos hold? Do I need to explain why such a conflict of interest needs to be transparently addressed right now or have you gone so far off the deep end of corruption and hypocrisy back there behind the curtains of money? |
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If you're looking for bitcoin credit, look to Ripple or BTCJam. Both have different approaches to the same thing.
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Second off, protecting the scammer is how we always start off an investigation.
How many seconds after my pirate bet ended did I get a scammer tag, and who contacted me to confirm things first? What "investigation" was there? Theymos doesn't have a very good record of being anything but reactionary. You on the other hand, I agree do a good job investigating in most cases. As for "all Theymos needs to do is check the post edit history", user-deleted posts are considered private information (or if not, they should be)
Public information is considered private? But again, for any of that to happen, we need someone to step up and say that they believe that they were scammed by Werner's shill bids.
I believe I was scammed by Werner's shill bids as I was planning on bidding but didn't because Werner outbid my maximum bid. He robbed me of potential profit and he should pay me for that. Now that someone has come forward, it appears you need to step up your investigation to "get off the couch" mode. Why would we be waiting on you to tell Theymos anything, is he too busy counting the 6000 BTC donated to him to do his job? (Yes, I appear to be trolling but I'm actually dead serious). |
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Not my best work, but you don't deserve my best.  edit: look closely at his eyes and see what he sees |
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FTFY.  |
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