It dilutes the meaning of the tag to have you carrying it if this is the only reason.
Truer words have never been spoken. If you look at the link in my signature, you'll see that Theymos once gave me a scammer tag for standing up for myself as a newbie too. For two years now I've known the scammer tag is not much more than just Theymos' opinion. As for "untrustworthy", that was my suggestion to him instead of "scammer" as a compromise since I can see how many people I may have hurt from my prank/faux bet/lie/unconsidered contract/whatever you want to call it. This is me basically taking my licks and I don't mind paying a lot of scammers so that the extremely small handful of honest betters who were actually affected negatively get some compensation and not think of me too poorly for my shortsighted actions. If after a few more months Theymos still thinks I deserve any kind of tags, then I'd cry foul. Right now I'm happy keeping it to give trolls some avenue of entertaining themselves. I know who I am, everyone who matters does too. (hint: this forum admin's opinion doesn't matter in my life) |
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Sorry to spoil the trolling OP, but I've never scammed anyone. The bet was a prank, but it was one made in extremely poor taste at a period in my life when I was highly stressed from work and not thinking straight (the trolls got to me a bit and I cracked to be honest). Since then I've lost over $100k in assets, work contracts and actual funds (paying people from the prank bet to make things right) and although I'll never be able to forget the poor choice I made considering I have survived only on bitcoins for 2 years by choice and understandably the fallout from my poor taste prank put me into severe financial difficulties, no one was scammed except me (which I'm taking as a stupid tax) when I was required to pay people who had no intention of paying me if they lost.
Looking forward to continuing to make things right and continue to provide services and products related to bitcoin in the future.
Cheers.
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I love it. Headline "APPEARS TO BE A SCAM", first sentence "To the best of my knowledge they have not taken anything of value from anyone". Good job wasting people's time OP.
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Well at least now we know why Theymos isn't doing anything about TradeFortress.
You can see it in the trust page. theymos currently trusts:
Maged
OgNasty
John (John K.)
Tomatocage
BadBear
BCB
TradeFortress
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Ok we'll I can do a note this way if anything does happen I can be sued
Suing someone costs *more* money and doesn't guarantee payment even in the unlikely event a judgement is made against you for an internet promise to pay. All it would mean is a more official "promise to pay" which can still be broken 'till the day you die. You'll need something more than promises. |
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When you GoWest come up with such accusation
FTFY. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145506.msg1544079#msg1544079I really from the bottom of my heart hope Ripple is not BS
Even if it is, it will be replaced by the free market (Open Transactions + BitMessage for example). The point here isn't Ripple, it's paid subversion. I see several responses screaming "this is impossible!" but no one has bothered to ask why GoWest would lie about such a thing. |
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TradeFortress has an own site ripplescam.org/ where he explains his point of view.
Imho Ripple sux and lot of people will lose their their coins in a future.
I don't recall him ever publicly stating that was his site. TradeFortress, is that your site? Thank you Bruno. That should wrap up that one pretty well. So TradeFortress has been accused of paying people money to change their post content to his own anti-Ripple website by GoWest basically. I guess we just have to wait to hear TradeFortress's rebuttals. He said something about not messaging GoWest directly, but he didn't deny paying others. |
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Jered once was the owner of Mtgox.
When was that? I thought Jed (the guy who runs OpenCoin) was the previous owner of MtGox, not Jared. Are you sure you're not confusing that? |
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TradeFortress has an own site ripplescam.org/ where he explains his point of view.
Imho Ripple sux and lot of people will lose their their coins in a future.
I don't recall him ever publicly stating that was his site. TradeFortress, is that your site? |
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Win. Mine is a bunch of husky's chilling on the beach. I couldn't get my own husky to wear sunglasses unfortunately. |
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To put it a simple way:
If your money is in a bank, it is no longer your money, it is the bank's and they may do whatever they damn well please with it. Banks are above the law, they answer to literally no one.
Along that line, if you put your money into bitcoins, you are the exclusive controller of those tokens but the value is no longer yours, and the fragile market can decide whatever it damn well pleases your tokens to be worth. I wonder if that will ever not be true in the future, or at least mildly manageable. |
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The reason I believe people will continue to claim they are a "scam" even after they open source is for the same reason people use the word "scam" now to describe them-- poor understanding of vocabulary.
They should not have created XRP and just use the system. I think there is a great opportunity for a competing framework which is just a IOU framework and not a 'premined' currency. Hopefully this will develop. I really wish this too, unfortunately this iteration's developers were all bitcoin developers and are quite used to "hashcash" style solutions, and if they had made people mine for XRP, it would have created the same problems bitcoin has. It's a tough sell. |
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BFL claimed they were going to create & ship ASICs. As they hadn't done that, they were scammers.
Bitcoin Magazine were 'defacto scammers' for 6 months when they did not release a product they said they were going to release.
Yes, 2 products that took pre-orders. Where is Ripple's product order and income list? Are they scamming intended value? Without accepting funds for a purchase and not delivering on that promise, they are not scamming. They could be guilty of deceiving and are definitely guilty of manipulating (holding the XRP themselves and releasing them slowly), but it seems a bit too early to tell to me. I for one await the open sourcing and copy cats who will try to do it better. The reason I believe people will continue to claim they are a "scam" even after they open source is for the same reason people use the word "scam" now to describe them-- poor understanding of vocabulary. |
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Definitely a mistake. I don't think there was any real "grand plan" as much as a handful of programming nerds hacking away for two years. Maybe this is why the wiki is a bit messy.
You've just described bitcoin. |
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XRP are stamps. They're only used for mailing transactions from one location to the other. Guess what their original name was before OpenCoin decided on "XRP"?
Stamps.
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Matthew, you know that's the case. Bitcoin is driven by speculators and day traders. It is a money making game. That's the joke on the government. Real drug/terrorist money is huge and Bitcoin could never support even the most minor terrorist group. Yeah, I can really see two terrorists talking about a job in the Middle East and agreeing to settle up in Bitcoins. "What the fuck are Bitcoins! No bitch, you pay me in money or find someone else!"
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out this whole micro-economy is made up of college students worldwide practicing their day trading skills before they graduate and have to do it for real.
Please don't tell me you believe in the PorcFest "change the world" mentality. If any other monetary system is going to do that it won't happen in your lifetime. The reason Bitcoin is here is for trading and those businesses that sprung up because traders are "learning" with real money.
You have become too cynical to see that bitcoin is the solution to the authoritarianism that made you cynical in the first place. The word is practical or you could use realistic. In all fairness, bitcoin is *a* solution ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160292.0) but not every solution works for everyone, everywhere. Anyone saying otherwise is a blind cultist. |
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Matthew, you know that's the case. Bitcoin is driven by speculators and day traders. It is a money making game. That's the joke on the government. Real drug/terrorist money is huge and Bitcoin could never support even the most minor terrorist group. Yeah, I can really see two terrorists talking about a job in the Middle East and agreeing to settle up in Bitcoins. "What the fuck are Bitcoins! No bitch, you pay me in money or find someone else!"
It wouldn't surprise me at all to find out this whole micro-economy is made up of college students worldwide practicing their day trading skills before they graduate and have to do it for real.
Please don't tell me you believe in the PorcFest "change the world" mentality. If any other monetary system is going to do that it won't happen in your lifetime. The reason Bitcoin is here is for trading and those businesses that sprung up because traders are "learning" with real money.
You have become too cynical to see that bitcoin is the solution to the authoritarianism that made you cynical in the first place. Maybe someone's paying him to say that.  |
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A fraudulent business scheme
BFL fits in here too.
That is correct. BFL could be considered a fraudulent business scheme (it would be harder to argue that once they actually ship, but since they haven't, they're defecto scammers). Bitcoin Magazine were defacto scammers for 6 months too, and we redeemed ourselves by actually shipping a product most people love and is now in Barnes & Nobles' across the USA. Ripple would most definitely be a "fraud" if they were taking money and not doing something that they claimed they were going to do for a reasonable period of time. As I can tell, they haven't taken any money (but have instead created it and handed it out). They did take funding from Google, and I guess you could argue they "scammed google", but we don't know the terms of that funding or what they promised so those accusations would be flimsy. You could argue that they scammed users by creating something claiming it's open sourced and not releasing it, but that's not "scamming", that's "lying". But what happens when the source code is released? Will people still call it a scam? I believe yes, and that's the heart of this nonsense. |
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I never said that, but I have noticed a significant amount of bashing of bitcoin from users such as misterbigg, so the war is justified. It is totally fair that bitcoins can be used as ammunition. Bring it on.  All is fair in love and war (and apparently business), but that doesn't mean we can't call them like we see them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ShillThe person or group who hires the shill is using crowd psychology, to encourage other onlookers or audience members to purchase the goods or services (or accept the ideas being marketed).
Also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_manipulationI've seen this specifically in this very thread: Lying by omission: This is a very subtle form of lying by withholding a significant amount of the truth. This technique is also used in propaganda. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda |
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