Really?
You'd toss out all of a government and military backed currency and an automated ubiquitous electronic payment system and implement an anarchistic unsupported model all over Cuban cigars?
I have to ask you, are you ill? Seriously, are you seeing someone for your condition?
no, i just dont want us-law enforced on european shops |
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That's why I link Bitcoin future more to digital goods, media, entertainment and maybe small services (sort of how Paypal started with eBay). Not as an actual currency where you can buy an expensive car or ask for a huge loan. It's not really needed for that, it's needed for it's quickness and ease of use in my opinion.
Paypal has quickness and ease of use. Ease of use is probably better than any crypto since you can "send money to an email address". You can also set up recurring payments, which current cryptos also can't do. For digital goods, small businesses, etc. it serves their needs almost perfectly. The only thing it doesn't have (which most users don't care about, as discussed in the last few posts) is independence from the existing banking system. IMHO not true eg european shops which where selling cuban cigars (legally!) have been banned by paypal. EDIT: http://puffingcigars.com/cigar-news/cuban-related-transactions-banned-by-paypal/5729/ |
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Tomatocage was also suspected of self-escrowing. but apparently it's a misunderstanding.
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Its not! that's it. I doubt you missed redsn0w and marcotherminer's mini drama.
Can you please elaborate? I missed it! proof? |
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@monerodice: players seem to have good luck   |
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i really like that device. its a little bit to expensive right now... but we need devices like this to make mining distributed a few questions / ideas: - is it pool mining or solo (i'd prefer solo...but that would just be a lottery) - is it possible to sell that device cheaper but make it mining to your address (if you dont have direct access to that device it would still be distributed mining as you dont have a chance to harm the bitcoin network)? - a version with an qr scanner and a few buttons for normal shops would be nice |
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Only if it's the right guy :-/
 Hopefully I didn't make a mistake. If I did - hopefully nothing happens to the guy when they investigate and see he went no where near this forum. I shouldn't have been goaded into sending the email in the first place. I hope others learn from my mistake. (No email from CVS yet) IMHO if someone is calling you a pedo or making false claims contact a lawyer. he will contact theymos for ip info. then your lawyer / law enforcement can/will dox that guy... i dont think forum users should do this, nor should such info be allowed in any public form. EDIT: anything else smells like vigilantism |
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ROFL @thread... MIT License is extremly easy to follow... if you copy code just put that damn line telling from whom you copied... here it is https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT (it is EXTREMLY short...so please read it) i am a developer myself. in our company we made closedsource apps. but we used GPL and MIT libs so we had to bundle that license (and sourcecoude for some libs) and deliver it to our customers. the only way around it is by contacting the original devs and ask them for a different lic. no excuses. isnt it simple? |
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Let us pretend I am in control of a wallet which holds a certain number of coins, using your example, stolen from said exchange. I also happen to own a couple of what you would consider "clean" bitcoins. To illustrate my point I choose two spend two outputs, one "clean" and one "tainted", to the same input.
Looking at said input, can you tell which satoshi is "tainted" and which is not?
the only problem is what lawyers think / do when they know that you was in control of said outputs. Seems to me then we are deriving into the anonymity/privacy problem, are we not? I frankly fail to see how this is an indictment on Bitcoin's fungibility. you are right: technically bitcoin is fungible. but i live in the real world and dont want lawyers to contact me or exchanges to block me because of social problems. |
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Let us pretend I am in control of a wallet which holds a certain number of coins, using your example, stolen from said exchange. I also happen to own a couple of what you would consider "clean" bitcoins. To illustrate my point I choose two spend two outputs, one "clean" and one "tainted", to the same input.
Looking at said input, can you tell which satoshi is "tainted" and which is not?
the only problem is what lawyers think / do when they know that you was in control of said outputs. |
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scotland / ireland i just love ginger women |
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There should be a Monerodice thread in the altcoin service ann section to reach a higher user base, discuss the service and so on.
You should also think about a live chat or something like that, now they can just stare on some numbers, thats most likely not enough motivation to stay there long enough.
You want them people to stay and keep gambling.
there is a live chat under advanced view. but it doesnt feel right |
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The use of the ignore function can help in this case....
that just got me an idea: maybe ignore count should be public so sig-campaigns can block users with too many ignores. Say someone has something personal against you, so they could make alts and ruin your reputation , something like alts ruining your rep from negative feedbacks but in this case every ignore would be significant that is easy to counter: ignore count could ignores from brandnew/ or newbie accounts. and if someone really buys lots of higherrank accounts, well... if he is willing to spent that much time or money to ruin you he'll find a way. |
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The use of the ignore function can help in this case....
that just got me an idea: maybe ignore count should be public so sig-campaigns can block users with too many ignores. That .... and I think we should also bring back the orange ignore button. If you remember this feature, as more and more people ignored the poster, the ignore button became a deeper orange. It was very easy to see who the shit posters were. I believe it was removed because of the amount of CPU resources required to compute it. However I believe that it can be properly re-implemented without taking up massive amount of computing resources. yes, that feature was nice! maybe in the new form... (lol) |
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The use of the ignore function can help in this case....
that just got me an idea: maybe ignore count should be public so sig-campaigns can block users with too many ignores. |
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its like saying someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing is innocent
Technically, someone who witnesses a rape and does nothing IS innocent.  You can't force morality on people. You can't make people believe what you believe. Some people on this planet only look out for themselves. Witnessing a crime and not reporting is a in fact crime in most of Europe. I can't speak of the USA as I'm not even sure what the equivalent term in English since I'm a non-native speaker. That is ridiculous.Who would come forward in court as eye witness if he would fear of being persecuted for witnessing the crime? One would rather keep mum than help in investigation the point is to stop the crime from happening (in case of rape: stop the rapist asap). IMHO thats more important than the investigation afterwards. AFAIK american law is much about revenge. german /european law is more about finding ways to not make such things happen again. |
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There is if it has a mark on it...  looks like this to me:  but i get your point: even money has serial numbers. but you can still use it in any store without problems. as i said: in the end it boils down to what lawyers think and how they handle it. but in this case i have a choice. anon coins dont have serialnumber attached to them. |
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i am too lazy to search right now, but i remember a case with the bitstamp hack (long time ago though).
obv if its only a small percentage there is nothing to fear, and mixers help. but that requires a fee which means the coins are a little worth less than "clean" ones.
the question you should ask yourself is: if someone offers you to sell you bitcoins from the mtgox hack/theft (directly; not mixed) would you buy them for the exact same amount? if not why not?
if bitcoin would really be fungilby you wouldnt even know where there are from.
i dont say its a big problem (because of mixers), but sadly bitcoins arent fungible on its own.
in the end it boils down to what lawyers think. if they see stolen bitcoins can be tracked (like a car): would they try to enforce to get you to pay them back or not? we dont know that yet.
Do you buy stolen gold for market value? That does not mean gold is not fungible. What you are talking about is how to provide evidence of a crime and the ability to do so, tracking coins on the blockchain can be easy if there are few transactions between where they sit and where they were stolen. Melting gold also adds costs to the operation, if the gold is stolen, gold still fungible. there is no way for me to know which gold is stolen and which isnt. thats what i call fungible. |
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why dont you respect his opinion then and just stop posting a link to his address?
its his property and he can do anything he wants here: in case you forgot
This forum is not his property, nor has he ever claimed that it is. So how about you STFU since you clearly don't have a clue?  the correct way to deal with something like this is to discuss the problem. not cry and repost over and over again: thats childish... and its his server: his decision whats saved there you are free to make your own forum and post any dox you wish. |
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Yes, like I said most popular POS coins use it. Check the source on github if you don't believe me. It is usually near the bottom of checkpoints.cpp
A lot of new devs do not understand how to implement it so they just erase it and leave "" in its place.
I just don't understand how it could "do more harm than good". Aside from centralization maybe....but if thats the case why do so many coins use it?
edit: also, earlz always mentions it when he does a review of a new coin if it does not have one set properly.
Google: earlz checkpoint pubkey bitcointalk
To see what I mean
i havent look it up (and probably wont because i dont like pos anyway), but its easy to see why people think its bad: centralization. a dev should not control which chain is the best / longest. that something miners or (in case of pos) stakeholders decide. if he runs special nodes there is no need for nodes in the first place. he could just run a webservice with the balances of his users: there isnt any difference then. |
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I would remove Fungibility, bitcoin is the antithesis of fungibility.
How so? Every bitcoin is worth the same. sadly no: through blockchain analysis its possible to see which coins where stolen. would you buy them for the same price? as soon as you put them in an exchange you account will get locked... (thats the only reason i think coins like xmr have a chance in the future) Have you ever made an analysis of your bitcoins or the bitcoins you have received from an exchange or any other service? You'll probably will find a small percentage can be traced to the bicoinica hack, or some other hack and yet you're still free. Can you show an example where what you claimed has actually happened? i am too lazy to search right now, but i remember a case with the bitstamp hack (long time ago though). obv if its only a small percentage there is nothing to fear, and mixers help. but that requires a fee which means the coins are a little worth less than "clean" ones. the question you should ask yourself is: if someone offers you to sell you bitcoins from the mtgox hack/theft (directly; not mixed) would you buy them for the exact same amount? if not why not? if bitcoin would really be fungilby you wouldnt even know where there are from. i dont say its a big problem (because of mixers), but sadly bitcoins arent fungible on its own. in the end it boils down to what lawyers think. if they see stolen bitcoins can be tracked (like a car): would they try to enforce to get you to pay them back or not? we dont know that yet. |
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