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421  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 06:55:09 PM
Can I send INCNT to any waves address??
Is there a roadmap?
Yes you can  Smiley

Roadmap remains unchanged. Next milestone is integration of the first merchant.


When will info about the first merchant be released? And will there be more coming soon?

There should be an update in the next few days. Usually it's at the end of each month, but Rob had a trip to the US at short notice to discuss Incent with a potential new customer. There's a backlog of things to take care of, so please be patient!
422  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
Regarding the payment to the PR firm: I understand it was paid in Incent, but from which pocket was it paid? is there a dev fund that serves to this purpose? Also, is the amount that was paid public? Also, for the next time, is it possible for token investors to be alerted beforehand?

We went through all this up-thread. Ideally we'd draw a line under it all now and move on.
423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 11:32:25 AM
Re: the comment about Incent being sold to businesses - I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Merchants will not handle Incent. When a customer buys something, a proportion of the purchase amount (configurable - could be 0.5-20%) will be used to buy Incent off the open market. That is sent directly to the customer.
Incent will naturally be a deflationary currency. There's a fixed supply - effectively 23 million - and some will inevitably be lost, forgotten about etc as it's issued and used.
Ah I thought the business bought the Incent. So the app buys the Incent when a customer uses the app to buy something.. Is that right ? Will that be in real time-ish ?


As close to realtime as we can get. This is why we need a reserve, because obviously there are delays in dealing with exchanges - we wouldn't want to withdraw directly from an exchange to the customer's wallet.
It was important to us that the merchant didn't have to deal in Incent. That's a barrier to adoption and we didn't want to impose that on them. So it works by slicing off a % of the purchase amount, sending it to Incent as broker, who takes care of the conversion of funds to INCNT, and then we send that directly to the customer.
424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 11:18:24 AM
The only thing that I would ask of the team is to sit down and have a real serious conversation amongst yourselves about balancing your responsibilities towards your clients with those of your investors.
You might want to think about moving a portion of the incents sold to businesses to a burn wallet that we can all watch at anytime. The shares need to become less available as time goes on.


Thanks Stein.
There's certainly a lot going on at the moment, and we hope to have a more extensive update for the community in due course.
Re: the comment about Incent being sold to businesses - I'm not sure I understand what you mean? Merchants will not handle Incent. When a customer buys something, a proportion of the purchase amount (configurable - could be 0.5-20%) will be used to buy Incent off the open market. That is sent directly to the customer.
Incent will naturally be a deflationary currency. There's a fixed supply - effectively 23 million - and some will inevitably be lost, forgotten about etc as it's issued and used.
425  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 04, 2017, 09:13:45 AM
Apologies - don't think the Reserve address is on OP. Looking for it now.

thanks a lot for the great replies:) also could you expand a bit on why you decided to choose the waves platform over another one? what was your criterias?

A few things actually. One is that there was a relationship there already, and so we had access to the dev team - which is a pretty big deal. Another is the DEX, with real-time trading and asset-to-asset trading. Both of these help with settlement. Also paying tx fees in the token itself, rather than a separate coin, is a big deal, because it vastly reduces friction for users and makes life a lot easier when developing the app. We kicked around a lot of ideas and a lot of tech solutions for Incent over the previous 2 years, and these were quite big problems to overcome.

thanks for being so kind in replying to my questions:) I'm in! Got some below 100 (I think it was ico price?), hopefuly i can catch some at 50 Cheesy

Glad you're in! Smiley
I hope it won't go as low as 0.00005 again but with BTC doing its raging bull thing... you never know what's going to happen.

Re: the question of some alts rising and others not while BTC is in a bull run, obviously not all alts are the same. Quite apart from their utility and business plans, some trade more against BTC than fiat - and obviously, the more thinly traded a currency, the bigger the fluctuations. Long term, Incent should effectively trade against fiat, since merchants will be buying and selling it for fiat currencies, which will hopefully insulate it somewhat from bitcoin's madness.
426  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 03, 2017, 09:44:43 PM
Guys do you know why has happened the dump of the INCNT exchange rate on exchanges, I was highly optimistic to see INCNT higher but it was dumped a bit, maybe because of the recent increase of bitcoin price or there is another reason behind?

Yep, BTC has certainly contributed in recent days. Can't call where this bull run will end, but presumably when things stabilise with BTC money will move back into alts.
It's likely to be very volatile all round for a while by the look of it.
427  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 03, 2017, 12:10:01 PM
Apologies - don't think the Reserve address is on OP. Looking for it now.

thanks a lot for the great replies:) also could you expand a bit on why you decided to choose the waves platform over another one? what was your criterias?

A few things actually. One is that there was a relationship there already, and so we had access to the dev team - which is a pretty big deal. Another is the DEX, with real-time trading and asset-to-asset trading. Both of these help with settlement. Also paying tx fees in the token itself, rather than a separate coin, is a big deal, because it vastly reduces friction for users and makes life a lot easier when developing the app. We kicked around a lot of ideas and a lot of tech solutions for Incent over the previous 2 years, and these were quite big problems to overcome.
428  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 03, 2017, 11:49:35 AM
Apologies - don't think the Reserve address is on OP. Looking for it now.

Edit: http://www.wavesgo.com/account.html?3P6u5wdyDQt6FBiwCeSXPuNY3RzCAEYe1cg
Karl has put it in OP.
429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 03, 2017, 11:44:56 AM
Total supply is 46M
Circulating supply is 23M

But if you guys give coins to PR firms and other busienss from the total supply, doesnt that make the circulating supply a lot bigger ? How much you gave away already from the total supply?

seems, right now you need to multiply marketcap by 2 to get the value of incent right

Not from the total supply. The 23 million Reserve is untouched.

How can we know for sure? is there a smart contract preventing anything to happen to it? and where did the INCNT paid to the PR firm came from?

(Sorry for all the questions, just trying to get a sense of the real value of this coin)

You can check the Reserve - I think the address is in OP. If not, we can dig it out for you - Karl did so recently for someone who was asking the same Smiley
It's a Waves asset, so no smart contracts. Effectively, you have to trust Incent not to dump this on the market. If we did so, it would naturally kill our business, so we won't. Whilst that probably won't reassure some people, you have to bear in mind that trust to some degree is inherent in any business like this. It's centralised, it has a dev team and offices, and a CEO. So you're already trusting us to do a good job if you've invested.
All Incent used for ICO payments (I think a total of 10-12%) for team and other collaborators came from the other half of the initial supply. The Reserve, as you've probably gathered, is for emergency settlement - there may be circumstances where we cannot settle with merchants without that pool of liquidity. We HAVE to be able to do that.
Hopefully that answers your questions - let us know if not!
430  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q2 2017 on: May 03, 2017, 04:50:22 AM
Total supply is 46M
Circulating supply is 23M

But if you guys give coins to PR firms and other busienss from the total supply, doesnt that make the circulating supply a lot bigger ? How much you gave away already from the total supply?

seems, right now you need to multiply marketcap by 2 to get the value of incent right

Not from the total supply. The 23 million Reserve is untouched.
431  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 02, 2017, 01:42:10 PM
I remember reading somewhere that 1600 figure has now moved up, but maybe that was a shorter. Shorting seems kinda quaint at the moment.

Probably. Draw attention to it and it's going to move up.
Presumably at some point there will be a classic FOMO spike. If it happens fast enough and hits the threshold there will be a cascading short squeeze, which will indeed be epic. Forget the moon, that would be slingshot effect to Jupiter stuff.
432  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 02, 2017, 12:47:46 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/68muot/17k_bitfinex_contracts_short_starting_at_1600_if/

Anyone have any insight on this? Not sure if it would be an epic short squeeze or whether Finex is too disconnected from reality now.
433  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: May 02, 2017, 08:06:34 AM

Quick straw poll, if you'd be so kind.

With the spread of prices I'm curious...  Which source do you take your "current BTC price" from? 

An exchange -> which one? Bitcoinaverage? OTC Vendor price?

Thanks

Stamp for USD. Finex obviously is inflated and it doesn't make sense to use a price you can't actually sell at.
Coinfloor for GBP. Strangely prices there are slightly over the odds when converting from USD at the current exchange rate. But since you can really buy and sell real bitcoins for real fiat there, it's a legit price.
434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: 🔥[ICO]EncryptoTel: Secure VoIP and B2B blockchain communications infrastructure on: April 30, 2017, 07:00:56 PM
Last chance to gain a 10% bonus ends at 23:59 UTC 30 April!

Hi, so after this level, are there other levels of bonuses for investors?
Good results meanwhile: $1,684,930.10 , it is 56% of MAx cap! Hope everybody will have a chance to participate till May 31.

That's exceptional progress and a good chance of hitting the cap.
435  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q1/Q2 2017 on: April 29, 2017, 08:58:34 AM
I get where you're coming from, but just so you're duly warned: we crowdfunded $1.1 million and distributed 23 million Incent. Anyone who holds any Incent at all might dump it at any point, and the market is thin enough to take it down to zero if someone really wants to.

Hmm.. So $1.1 million/$23 million= $.047826 = 0.00003356 BTC
So really we are up tremendously at 246.06% to .00011614

How many of the 23 million were sold at the ICO ?

Yes, even up with more than 300% in fiat, but apparently that is not enough for some people. I am really happy with it, and will hold for long term for sure!

I think 10-12% were reserved for team, partners, etc - I can't remember offhand but it's somewhere in the thread...
The headline figures you give are a little misleading, because BTC was much lower in October/November, when we crowdfunded. So I think the fiat price of tokens was around $0.06 for most people (there were discounts for larger, earlier investors). As often happens with alts, when BTC started rising Incent dropped in BTC terms, staying roughly even in fiat. Then when BTC's rise slowed and we got closer to deployment with the ICOs, Incent rose in BTC terms.
So net: yes, Incent is up perhaps 250% in fiat terms, up a little in BTC terms right now.
436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q1/Q2 2017 on: April 28, 2017, 09:27:25 PM

That's fine to pay people in Incent, it is normal practice however the norm is to lock-up those shares/tokens to avoid an instant dump. It is irresponsible to investors not to consider it and the excuse of this being crypto is just an excuse.
You are asking for investors but you are not looking in their best interest and not being transparent about it.

When a coin (in this case Incent) is promised to be bought off the market because of an event or anything, something is off. I'm glad I bought at 10k and sold it at 19k just before the beginning of ICO, and washed my hands off this. I had similar experiences with colored coins back in 2014 and I guess my instincts kicked in.

That is the business model. There's nothing untoward about that. It's a perfectly valid approach and lots of businesses use it. In fact it's becoming the norm in crypto due to the regulatory problems involved with issuing dividends. Just because you got burned with colored coins doesn't mean 'something is off'.

Re: locking Incent for partners - as I said, that's problematic. I guess we could have done for the team, though (unsurprisingly) no one from the team has sold. For the PR company, a lock-up period would have been a dealbreaker. Incent is a crypto startup, a high-risk company in a high-risk sector. Who's to guarantee that the Incent would be worth anything at the end of the lock-up period? We might be confident, but they have bills to pay.
That's not to say we aren't very disappointed in the course of action they took.

If it was a dealbreaker from the PR point of view then you should have advised the investors. It was obvious they would sell in that case. Your role is to protect and advise investors in Incent but you don't seem to get it.

I get where you're coming from, but just so you're duly warned: we crowdfunded $1.1 million and distributed 23 million Incent. Anyone who holds any Incent at all might dump it at any point, and the market is thin enough to take it down to zero if someone really wants to.
It's a market. It's a part of the Open Value proposition. It's not cool they did it, but it's their call. Same as it will be with anyone else who sells.
We'll do everything we reasonably can to build value for investors, but we're not in the business of telling people what they can and can't do with their own money.
437  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q1/Q2 2017 on: April 28, 2017, 08:41:02 AM
Been following this project from day one even before the ico started.

Looks like it's about time for this project to get a boost.....

Good for you. Market fluctuations notwithstanding, there's a lot of good stuff going on.
438  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q1/Q2 2017 on: April 28, 2017, 08:40:31 AM

That's fine to pay people in Incent, it is normal practice however the norm is to lock-up those shares/tokens to avoid an instant dump. It is irresponsible to investors not to consider it and the excuse of this being crypto is just an excuse.
You are asking for investors but you are not looking in their best interest and not being transparent about it.

When a coin (in this case Incent) is promised to be bought off the market because of an event or anything, something is off. I'm glad I bought at 10k and sold it at 19k just before the beginning of ICO, and washed my hands off this. I had similar experiences with colored coins back in 2014 and I guess my instincts kicked in.

That is the business model. There's nothing untoward about that. It's a perfectly valid approach and lots of businesses use it. In fact it's becoming the norm in crypto due to the regulatory problems involved with issuing dividends. Just because you got burned with colored coins doesn't mean 'something is off'.

Re: locking Incent for partners - as I said, that's problematic. I guess we could have done for the team, though (unsurprisingly) no one from the team has sold. For the PR company, a lock-up period would have been a dealbreaker. Incent is a crypto startup, a high-risk company in a high-risk sector. Who's to guarantee that the Incent would be worth anything at the end of the lock-up period? We might be confident, but they have bills to pay.
That's not to say we aren't very disappointed in the course of action they took.
439  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q1/Q2 2017 on: April 27, 2017, 09:56:26 PM
Please have a look at the Bittrex trading history. You will see that our bot market purchased quite some Incent over the course of several hours, few small orders every minute.

Regarding the dump: We just paid a PR outlet in Incent for their services during the ICO. They immediately transferred the whole payment to Bittrex and it looks like they want to sell all of it, pretty short-sighted if you ask me.

Seems pretty short sited of Incent that they did not contract a lockup period which is standard in business and business 101 level.
It ensures the market will not disproportionately increase the supply, which drives prices downward. 40+% in this case.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lockup-period.asp

That's really not going to fly in a sector like this unfortunately.

I don't see why it wouldn't work in crypto since the PR obviously went back to btc or Fiat. Kind of immature to have done that and kind of bad investors were not informed of it earlier. Tech is nice but behaviour is is slightly shocking.


Lots of people were paid in Incent for their work on ico. Any one of them could have dumped, and still could, just like anyone else. Most were smarter.
The dump was the first we knew about it, which was also when we shared that information.
440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][INCNT] Incent Loyalty | Waves CAT | On Bittrex | Roll-out Q1/Q2 2017 on: April 27, 2017, 08:24:08 PM
Please have a look at the Bittrex trading history. You will see that our bot market purchased quite some Incent over the course of several hours, few small orders every minute.

Regarding the dump: We just paid a PR outlet in Incent for their services during the ICO. They immediately transferred the whole payment to Bittrex and it looks like they want to sell all of it, pretty short-sighted if you ask me.

Seems pretty short sited of Incent that they did not contract a lockup period which is standard in business and business 101 level.
It ensures the market will not disproportionately increase the supply, which drives prices downward. 40+% in this case.

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lockup-period.asp

That's really not going to fly in a sector like this unfortunately.
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