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721  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 17, 2017, 10:30:19 AM
Press will be interested again on ATH. Then they will talk about volatility instead.
722  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 17, 2017, 09:07:10 AM
Yes, as we've said, exchange listing is something that is critical to the project because we need the ability to buy at market to support the price, using a slice of funds every time a customer makes a purchase. We do hope to do that through Waves' DEX, for a start, though don't want to limit ourselves to that of course.

In other news, take a look at https://icotech.me/ if you haven't already. Pete took quite a lot of effort to develop our ICO tech, which is a lot more secure than anything else around. We've had plenty of interest in businesses licensing it, starting with Tokes. There will be others and we have at least one signed up for the near future. These will be 'Customer zero' for Incent. While Pete finishes the wallet and integrates with the first merchants (like Sure Green) later this quarter, these are the guys who will place early external demand on the Incent market. Every time someone deposits to the ICO, 1% is used to buy Incent as rewards. So Incent is baked right in, which is pretty cool - a kind of 'Incent Inside' initiative.

Anyways, just to let you know that we're right where we planned on being at this point. We should have some more updates for you soon, but we can't confirm the ICO that's happening next until they announce it themselves.
723  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 16, 2017, 02:07:58 PM
1.1million raised, abandoned Q1 2017



I think your post history gives a fair impression of how much attention people should give to your opinion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=334882;sa=showPosts
724  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 15, 2017, 06:17:11 PM
This is not good news for investors. People no longer believe in this project.

You are kidding, right? 0.4 BTC panic sell and we're done? I think most people are better informed than this.
725  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 15, 2017, 04:29:03 PM
I am received my Incent bounties from signatures campaign, and it's at the portfolio tab in waves lite.
But, I didn't see my Incent at ICO Dashboard, what can I do? It's a wrong or normally?

Hmmm, not sure. Probably a display issue of some sort. You didn't withdraw from ico yet?


My Incent token from bounty signature campaign still at Waves wallet Sir.
I didn't withdraw anything.

You mean ico area?
If there's a problem, come over to Slack and Pete will address it. You'll get more updates and information too.
726  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 15, 2017, 01:32:54 PM
wow what a big dump happened on openledger, it seems like someone was really bored and dumped all his INCENT tokens.

I think so many people are get bored and Just sell them at a cheap price because this project seems like still not working on development,Just stuck Angry

Are you for real? We have a lot going on. Maybe you just need to make the effort to read about it up-thread, on Slack and on our blog.
727  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 15, 2017, 01:31:09 PM
wow what a big dump happened on openledger, it seems like someone was really bored and dumped all his INCENT tokens.

when will it be added to other exchanges? maybe polo or trex.. WAVES DEX might take some time before it will be released.

Also interested in this issue, they promised at the end of December or beginning of January adding to bittrex.

No, Bittrex gave us a timeline of 2 months. If/when they add it is ultimately up to them. We don't make promises on their behalf.
728  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 15, 2017, 09:44:12 AM
I am received my Incent bounties from signatures campaign, and it's at the portfolio tab in waves lite.
But, I didn't see my Incent at ICO Dashboard, what can I do? It's a wrong or normally?

Hmmm, not sure. Probably a display issue of some sort. You didn't withdraw from ico yet?
729  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 08:36:41 PM
we might have done it, we have finally stabilized bitcoin!

LOL isn't that a bit like saying Elton John's turned straight because he hasn't shagged a man for two days?  Cheesy Cheesy

Why did that specific analogy spring to mind?!

I guess I just have a talent for weird, random but astute analogies  Grin

Well thanks for the mental picture.
I think the 800s will be sticky all the same.
730  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 06:59:01 PM
Looks like these minor fluctuations are getting much tighter now, breakout must be soon.

But which way will it break??

I call UP!!!!  Grin

I do not like the falling volume.


You gotta consider this trade volume matter in context, which means zooming out a bit to either weekly or 3 days.. you cannot really look only at daily volume or time intervals shorter than a few days in order to get a decent grasp of the situation... that's my thinking.

The mere fact that trade volume may decrease for a few days is not indicative that the price battle is over or that there is some kind of manipulation that is about to take place or major change in direction. 

A temporary drop in trade volume for a few days is merely an indication that some of the parties are regrouping.. which could take a few days and even trickle down for nearly a week before they resume the battle (in a more voluminous way).

I like falling volume, tells me a move is coming.

a bunch of longs appeared to have covered at 820-830
shorts seem unwilling to short at this level.

i'm thinking tonight we move above 830.


Maybe. The rising price/falling volume makes me a little nervous about which direction the next move will be.
Normally I wouldn't care too much but I get paid tomorrow for 3 months work and it's going to make a difference  Cheesy
731  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 05:45:59 PM
Looks like these minor fluctuations are getting much tighter now, breakout must be soon.

But which way will it break??

I call UP!!!!  Grin

I do not like the falling volume.
732  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 14, 2017, 02:00:54 PM
Stop pretending that the present technology couldn't handle large blocks.

Stop pretending you know what you're talking about. There are hundreds of independent developers busy writing and testing code and weighing and discussing all the possible options. Out of that complicated process it was determined that Segwit is our best option right now and that large blocks (>4MB) are too risky for the stability and decentralized nature of the network at this point. After Segwit is deployed it will also be safer to increase the blocksize as Segwit also solves the quadratic scaling of hashed data. Hard forking now to larger blocks without first activating Segwit and solving quadratic hash scaling is just stupid and you'll also never get consensus for that. So why don't you stop complaining about Core and actually look and try to understand what it is they're doing? The divide in the community is purely based on ignorance and conspiracy thinking.

atm the divide between miners and devs are based on insults and broken promises. the code is out, but 3/4 of miners won't run it. what's the way forward?

This discussion used to annoy me a lot. But I'm increasingly minded that the market will sort it out. Ultimately, bitcoin will fit into whatever niche the market deems it suits best. I don't think it will ever (for many years) be irrelevant, but it will settle into the place it deserves.
Big blocks, small blocks, the market doesn't care. If there's an application that is required and bitcoin doesn't suit that, something else will take its place for that sector. Bitcoin as it stands will become whatever it is best suited for. My best guess at the moment is that it will be a store of value and currency of settlement between other protocols that are more specialised, thanks to its network effect and proven security.
There's a saying you get the politicians you deserve. I feel it's much the same for bitcoin.
733  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 14, 2017, 01:55:22 PM
Incent is a good currency that can not find a good exchange.Just how long does it take.

Folks, we're working on this. The reality is that some wheels just grind slowly.
Notwithstanding, our schedule for rollout is unchanged and we're right where we want to be at this point. Within Q1 we're hoping to have the first active merchant integrations. That means exchange listing and - as importantly - buy support from merchants who are actually using Incent. Every time a customer makes a purchase, a % of that amount will be diverted and used to buy Incent at market prices in real time.
Until then, Incent has speculative value only, and BTC's bull run has meant that just about everything else has been dumped. People are selling the Incent they bought or earned through bounties for pennies on the dollar. That's up to them but by the end of Q2 if not sooner I'm guessing they will look back and regret it.
734  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 01:31:03 PM
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ZE Jiang(BTC.TOP): Huobi & BTCC stopped margin trading, OKc leverage only 1x, finally no more fake BTC generated by exchange

https://twitter.com/cnLedger/status/819808775032868865

Oh shit, after reading this and realizing the possible implications, I will have to be extra careful after opening a long... Planned to open one in a couple of hours... Roll Eyes

What possible implications exactly?


A possible 10x drop in Chinese volume, how do you think that would look? Bullish? Wink

So long as there's not been any fractional reserve shenanigans (which would, admittedly, surprise me but seems to have been the case from the reports so far) then this shouldn't make too much difference? Wash volume shouldn't move price, and ultimately if you can withdraw BTC and sell them elsewhere then price should take care of itself.
735  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 12:25:45 PM

OK, here's the funny thing. The central bank can bloviate all it wants. In the end the people have the power. (OK, it wasn't exercised in this recent India demonitization, but we should be ready for the next ((hint: it's coming to you)) ).

What do I mean? India was about 80% cash. Why would the people not just reply with 'fuck you - we'll just keep using these notes the same way we have been'. Nothing changes. 80% of all transactions continue being done in cash -- not recognized by the gubmint, but who the fuck gives a shit -- and Modi ( and his wall street financiers) get to stew over in the corner. I mean really -- for the people, what is the downside?

The problem is that you have to trust every other member of society to honour the value of that non-government-backed cash. It's like a massive game of Prisoners' Dilemma. Personally I wouldn't trust other people to maintain the value of my wealth (any more than I'd trust the government). Unless it has some sort of very widely recognised/intrinsic value, you're playing a very dangerous game.


But aren't you already trusting the government to maintain the value of your cash?

The reality is that fiat money only has value because the government accepts it for taxes. Take that away and you are literally asking people to trade against pieces of paper. That works so long as there is confidence: if people agree something is money, it is money. But if people start suggesting the emperor is running around in the buff, it's going to fall apart pretty fast.
Of course, the emperor is running around in the buff and things are going to fall apart. It will just take a little longer whilst the government is able to enforce the value of fiat.
736  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 13, 2017, 09:11:02 AM

OK, here's the funny thing. The central bank can bloviate all it wants. In the end the people have the power. (OK, it wasn't exercised in this recent India demonitization, but we should be ready for the next ((hint: it's coming to you)) ).

What do I mean? India was about 80% cash. Why would the people not just reply with 'fuck you - we'll just keep using these notes the same way we have been'. Nothing changes. 80% of all transactions continue being done in cash -- not recognized by the gubmint, but who the fuck gives a shit -- and Modi ( and his wall street financiers) get to stew over in the corner. I mean really -- for the people, what is the downside?

The problem is that you have to trust every other member of society to honour the value of that non-government-backed cash. It's like a massive game of Prisoners' Dilemma. Personally I wouldn't trust other people to maintain the value of my wealth (any more than I'd trust the government). Unless it has some sort of very widely recognised/intrinsic value, you're playing a very dangerous game.
737  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][ICO CLOSED] Incent Loyalty | Waves token | $1.1m raised | Roll-out Q1 2017 on: January 12, 2017, 09:12:44 AM
Hi Dev,

I have added my waves address to ICO site
when I can receive my ICO Incent?

Thanks

Distribution happens manually and periodically. To stay right up-to-date, join us on Slack.

I still not receive my incent
How long?

Same here !! Its a joke

Have you raised it with Peter on Slack? He's working through some edge cases right now.
738  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2017, 12:27:12 PM
damn, just keeps falling.

speaking of falling, might see faaallllling back at this rate.

If you don't behave yourself igorr will appear with his favourite chart of the downtrend.
739  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2017, 12:22:07 PM
Well that got out of hand pretty fast.
Is China even awake?
740  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 11, 2017, 12:03:14 PM
How did it drop so fast? Any news?

Jorge Stolfi has sold his stash of 1 million BTC that he mined from 2009-2011.
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