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441  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: State of Florida attacks Bitcoin on: February 12, 2014, 03:37:18 PM
I live pretty close to Miami and this was big news for anyone involved, especially the LocalBitcoins crowds that do alot of local business. I can't believe such a victimless-crime is being prosecuted, and now I'm sure they seized all his assets under the money laundering laws.

Buying stolen credit card numbers is not a victimless crime.

Where does it say he was even involved in buying stolen credit card numbers? Other than the cops shoving that into the report to give the media something to vilify him and the bitcoins.



In the goddamn criminal complaints!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/205808113/Def-Espinoza
http://www.scribd.com/doc/205808118/Def-Reid

Did you even bother reading them?  Jesus Christ.
442  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Contrary to Mt.Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault - Gavin Andresen 10/2/14 on: February 12, 2014, 03:36:31 PM
Anyway, bitcoin foundation is working to find a quick and effective solution, so our bitcoins are safe Wink

Your BITCOINS have ALWAYS been safe.  What has not been safe, necessarily, is balances in exchanges, which are not actually Bitcoins, any more than your money in a bank is actually dollars.
443  Other / Politics & Society / Re: EPA Bans Most Wood Burning Stoves In a Corrupt Scheme, Fireplaces Next on: February 12, 2014, 03:32:15 PM
Which is why it's often said that radical environmentalists were more socialist/communist than environmentalists.  The impression is they want the rules and the controls on the populations, results be damned.

Well, you might recall that the progenitor of American environmentalism, and arguably modern environmentalism (in its rational state) was Teddy Roosevelt.  The common term for the philosophy then was "conservation."  It's difficult to imagine anything more conservative than conservation itself. 

It's quite easy to see the flaws with going after family (and individual) use of things like fireplaces and stoves, which are a very traditional means of generating heat and are usually used in relatively remote areas where they pose little threat except theoretically in the aggregate. 

Suppose you get equal results from shutting down, say, an old coal-fired electric plant, one that couldn't possibly ever even get near compliance with even loose regulations, and in fact belches gigantic clouds of smoke and particles that are actually making people sick.  There are, in fact, many of these kinds of plants.  Most of them have been grandfathered. 

On the other hand, suppose you have a similar amount of smoke generated over 100,000 square miles in some remote area, by tens of thousands of mostly poor people.  On paper, the environmental impact looks the same, but if you visited this remote area, the air would be clean and you would see no health issues whatsoever.  It would be the equivalent of someone smoking a cigarette a mile away from you once a year.

So you can take on the coal plant that's actually causing problems.  Okay, they hire a bunch of lobbyists and obstruct everything for years or decades.  You have a fight on your hands.

Or you can, relying on bullshit numbers, go after poor people who can't fight back.  If you're a politician, this choice is easy.

But if you actually care about the environment, you've just created an entire generation of people who hate your guts, and think you're a bunch of fascists, and actually, they're right.

Extremists serve no purpose but their own.  Beware whoever claims to love humanity.  Because they don't like YOU.
444  Other / Politics & Society / Re: EPA Bans Most Wood Burning Stoves In a Corrupt Scheme, Fireplaces Next on: February 12, 2014, 03:28:55 AM
In order to halt global warming, people have to freeze to death... or ask their government for permission to survive?

Well, couple things wrong there.  Burning wood is what greenies consider "carbon neutral".

I consider myself an environmentalist, but environmentalism and the EPA are two different things.  One is a general philosophy and the other is an utterly corrupt government agency.

Incidentally, this is not about carbon, but about particulate pollution.  Doesn't really matter, though.  It's an absolutely stupid way to make enemies out of a lot of people simultaneously, and at the same time, a retrograde tax on poor people who can little afford it.  At the very least, any currently existing fireplace/wood heater/water heater should be grandfathered in out of basic decency.  At best, though, this whole stupid policy should be reconsidered.

I can't think of a more ridiculous thing to go after.

I guess it's easier to do this than go after 70 year old coal-fired power plants dirtier than 100,000 homes.  After all, poor people don't have the money to fight back in court.
445  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: State of Florida attacks Bitcoin on: February 12, 2014, 03:14:20 AM
These complaints are written at a ~8th grade reading comprehension level. 

That's being charitable.  They're written at the reading comprehension level of a pig, since that's who wrote them.
446  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: State of Florida attacks Bitcoin on: February 12, 2014, 03:13:07 AM
I live pretty close to Miami and this was big news for anyone involved, especially the LocalBitcoins crowds that do alot of local business. I can't believe such a victimless-crime is being prosecuted, and now I'm sure they seized all his assets under the money laundering laws.

Buying stolen credit card numbers is not a victimless crime.
447  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Mt Gox Press Release - Feb 10 - they are claiming flaw in bitcoin protocol ! on: February 12, 2014, 03:11:17 AM
looks like the devs tried to defend themselves too quickly.

are people going to go after btce and bitstamp now?

Why would they?  Is Bitstamp blaming everyone but itself, while making terrorist threats to hold customer funds forever unless other people meet their demands?

No, they're doing what Gox SHOULD have done.  Implementing a fix immediately without whining and crying and pointing fingers everywhere but themselves.
448  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Everyone Panic. There's a lawyer among us. [FinCEN Walkthrough on p2] on: February 11, 2014, 06:58:49 AM
Quote from: US Constitution Article 1 Section 10
SECTION 10.

No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

What two people contract amongst each other ought not be impaired by the state.

You're misinterpreting Art. I § 10, which is referring to the (currently 50) states.  Only Congress may "impair[] the obligation of contracts."  A legislative action doing such a thing is, for example, bankruptcy.  Even with respect to the states, the prohibition has never been absolute, and certainly is not now.

This section of the Constitution was drafted to prevent practices in which the states would either pass "private bills" relieving (usually) some wealthy person of his contractual obligations, or basically pass laws giving the property of foreigners to colonists, causing a fear by the Framers that this would scare away foreign capital.

Check Federalist No. 10 by Madison for a fuller explanation.

ETA:  Incidentally, not arguing your actual point, at least not here, just your citation.
449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Contrary to Mt.Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault - Gavin Andresen 10/2/14 on: February 11, 2014, 12:46:30 AM
They fucked up by assuming that if the txid they sent didn't make it into a block, then no other txid could have spent those coins so they didn't bother checking the blockchain to make sure that was the case.

Wasn't that a reasonable conclusion from sendtoaddress being updated to return a txid?

Not when they had been personally told otherwise.
450  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Contrary to Mt.Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault - Gavin Andresen 10/2/14 on: February 11, 2014, 12:39:26 AM
Transactions have always been malleable prior to being included in a block. This wasn't really apparent until 2011.

Maybe they were, but this certainly didn't help:

I'm proposing one small change to Bitcoin's JSON-RPC api:  return a transaction ID when Bitcoins are successfully sent.

Why?  Because I want to keep a complete audit trail for any coins going into or coming out of my application's wallet; I want to keep track of the particular transactions in the bitcoin network that correspond to actions my application takes.  The alternative is to call sendtoaddress and then call listtransactions, but that won't work properly if two similar transactions (same amount to same address) occur at about the same time.

Where's the part of that where he says "then, after returning the txid, depend on it as a permanent identification proving a deposit into an exchange?"  I'm not seeing that.  There's really nothing more fundamental to Bitcoin than the blockchain, and that if something is on it, you can trust it forevermore after whatever number of confirms makes you comfortable.  If it isn't, you can't, even if it might have some temporary use in the interim.
451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Contrary to Mt.Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault - Gavin Andresen 10/2/14 on: February 11, 2014, 12:09:43 AM
The problem is not "why is it not done yet", but more "why is it more urgent than taking care of bitcoin's ability to handle much larger transaction volume"?
That seems like a 1.0 feature to me. Addressing transaction malleability, on the other hand, could fit just fine in the 0.x.x roadmap. Nobody (at least to my knowledge) said anything about fixing it overnight.

I'm not saying Mt. Gox are the good guys here (they clearly screwed up), but shouldn't Gavin Andresen have accepted some responsibility?

Guess who came up with the idea to use the txid for auditing/tracking in the first place .. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=807.0


In 2010.  If I recall correctly 2010 is before 2011.
452  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Contrary to Mt.Gox’s Statement, Bitcoin is not at fault - Gavin Andresen 10/2/14 on: February 11, 2014, 12:07:41 AM
I hate to be the devil's advocate here (especially being a newbie), but how does "known about since 2011" fit with "cannot be corrected overnight"?

There are plenty of known issues with Bitcoin, some of them more or less serious.  This, frankly, is one of the less serious issues, since it only arises when people design custom software very, very badly.  Gox and its principals were well aware of this particular issue, having been told about it personally, but chose to design defective software.  This wasn't even accidental.

The problem is, if I'm understanding it reduced to its simplest level, relying on transaction information that is NOT YET ON THE BLOCKCHAIN.  It kind of boggles my mind anyone could base any reliance for verifying deposits to a system on anything whatsoever not on the blockchain, even for tracking purposes.

It's clearly non-optimal to use this information at all, but the downside of it could have been very easily avoided.  I hope no other exchanges operate this way, but I honestly don't know.
453  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Mt Gox Press Release - Feb 10 - they are claiming flaw in bitcoin protocol ! on: February 11, 2014, 12:02:53 AM
"Who broke the window?"
"He did!" Smiley

"But I saw you throw a baseball through it after you were told not to, that it could break if you did that!"
"It is glass that is designed defectively!  I refuse to stop throwing baseballs until you fix glass!"
454  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Mt Gox Press Release - Feb 10 - they are claiming flaw in bitcoin protocol ! on: February 10, 2014, 08:17:56 PM
everyone seems to forget that Mark is NOT a native english speaker, nor are the JAPANESE people. whoever wrote the press statement in the ENGLISH language may not have carefully analyzed every word used and chosen the best one. people forget that MTGOX is a japanse company run by a french guy

Their problem isn't that people didn't understand them.  Their problem is that people did.
455  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: February 10, 2014, 08:15:59 PM
any kind of first deposit bonus or some affiliates who give out a bonus?
have played large volume on pstars and ftp before black friday and am looking
to get it going again
Thing is, everyone can create a new account in seconds even without an e-mail address. So there isn't really anything free for new players (unless you get really lucky and an affiliate trusts you to give u some chips to start with.)

There are still two free things available to new players.  The big one is the DonkDown freeroll on Wednesdays at 10:30 PM EST.  Another is there are these 66 player sit-and-go-freerolls that go off from time to time and can be found under the SNG tab.  There's also a "free" subtab under the SNG tab that will have it, usually by itself, if it's around.

The 66-er generally only goes off at times of low traffic, so you have to snipe for it a bit.
456  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: CoinDesk Removes Mt. Gox from Bitcoin Price Index on: February 10, 2014, 06:19:36 PM

About time.  I have often been annoyed to see the alleged Gox price absurdly at variance with every other reputable or semi-reputable exchange, but yet have it cited repeatedly in the media and elsewhere as if it is an actual price.  A real price is something you can get for the commodity.  An exchange that doesn't let you cash out for weeks does not have any business issuing a price, and nobody should take such a price as anything other than fiction.

These clowns should be drummed out of the community.
457  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: New Mt Gox Press Release - Feb 10 - they are claiming flaw in bitcoin protocol ! on: February 10, 2014, 05:35:30 PM
Seems to me the problem here is that Gox, amazingly enough, is once again unable to meet its obligations and casts the blame on something, anything else, crashing the price of Bitcoin and generating bad press.  This is called pissing in the well.
458  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: State of Florida attacks Bitcoin on: February 10, 2014, 05:27:43 PM
It will be interesting to see whether these cases go to trial.  It seems plausible to me that they will want to use these cases, in which a conviction will be relatively straightforward, to establish a precedent.

Exactly.  A plea deal would say they were just going after shutting down bad actors.  Not offering a plea and going out of their way to prosecute would indicate they actually want to establish a precedent that simply selling Bitcoin is operating an unlicensed money transmitting business, so as to be able to pull in a wider dragnet at some later date.

I have to say that if the claims in the complaint are factually true (always a big if), these two clowns have done Bitcoin a grave disservice themselves.  If someone comes up to you and says they want you to sell them Bitcoin so they can commit open crimes with it, and you facilitate it, YOU are a criminal yourself, you are not doing Bitcoin any favors, and THE GUY IS PROBABLY A COP.
459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: State of Florida attacks Bitcoin on: February 10, 2014, 05:39:17 AM
If you read the criminal complaint, it states the seller was charging the Undercover cop 20% commission.

Perhaps they weren't dumb, just a bit blinded by 20% commission on a $30,000 deal.

Frankly, a vig like that sounds to me very indicative that defendant knew something was shady and was therefore charging extra.  Who would agree to a fee that large who wasn't up to something (or in this case a cop).
460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: State of Florida attacks Bitcoin on: February 10, 2014, 03:15:09 AM
Florida and NY are the two states that always go after payment processors who don't have state licenses to operate. Avoid those 2 states at all costs or pay off their corrupt legislators to give you licenses. LE posing as Bitcoin traders and trying to get somebody to trade over $10k with them for no ID so they can extort them with laundering charges and seize all their money was bound to happen.

Except they didn't do just that.  They approached them claiming to want to buy Bitcoin to commit outright crimes.  But yes, New York is the most likely state to simply go right after Bitcoin sellers for no other reason than just selling Bitcoin.  These Florida LEAs felt it necessary to do a sting.  Otherwise, they'd have just arrested them the first time they showed up and sold a small about of Bitcoin.

How smart could these dudes have been?  "Hey, mon, I'm not a narc, really!  I just want to buy this coin to go commit a bunch of crimes!  You okay with that, brah?"  And these clowns agreed to do it.
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