Was it the original devs that just dumped on psychoticboys buy order ?
Are you talking about the scammers who created the coin or the people with the foundation premine ? How many coins do the scammers still have? He has no choice but to keep throwing up btc to support efl . Scammers got lucky on this one. That's good  . Very lucky to have a rich btc investor for efl. I take it his plan is to own 90% of the coins and then just put your own sell orders at any price when no more coins are mined ? Why so much hate, if you´re dat determined that this coin is a scam, whatch it play out then... The fact that you bash this coin makes you look insecure. Also the original scamming founders tranferred ALL their EFL, you can check it, it has been proven. |
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Nog steeds beschikbaar, vraagprijs verlaagd  Er is er nog 1 beschikbaar, mocht je interesse hebben laat wat weten Nog steeds 1 beschikbaar |
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Hey man, what are the shipping costs to the EU, Nethelrands in particular, now? |
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What surprises me here is that OP made a transfer without checking how much the fee would be. I make bank transfers every week, and I always check before hand. To make international transfers, most bank ask for a percentage of the transaction with a cap at both ends. It can be $10 on the bottom end and $150 on top.
Some customers may get reduced rates if the transfer is between 2 accounts within the same bank. Say, it's cheaper to make a transfer between an HSBC account in London to another HSBC account in Hong Kong, than to make the same transfer from HSBC in London to Citibank in New York, but BTC is the cheapest option by far.
I checked afterwards, it wouldn't make much different because there is little to no difference between banks policies and fees. Some have a slight lower cap, some higher, but for my amount this wouldn't have made any difference sadly... On a positive note, the pance fits like a glove |
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And you haven't taken into consideration the hidden fees. What I hate about banks is that they will hide behind their Terms and Conditions and I bet most individuals, an average daily user like myself didn't even notice that the fees existed. And you haven't consider the fact that there are millions of users using their services each day and the small amount will really pile up.
If it was a small amount, I wouldn't be complaining, but on a transaction of 100 euro, 32 euro's fee's, what the fuck!? Mafia..... |
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A better idea would be to pay the bank a visit, ask the manager what went wrong and talk more detail into it. Maybe the procedures done by you had a flaw and you were fined for it, or maybe it might even be an honest mistake by a bank and you should talk to them once. And if everything was done properly, sue the bank in the citizen protection court for shit load of money from the bank  No it simply are the rates for international transfers, most banks charge a percentage, not even a fee, it's dependant how high the amount is, it can go up to 150 euro's, ridiculous. |
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do you guys think it is possible?  Possible, yes, probability VERY low... With all the forces at work trying to disrupt the protocol, even from within the crypto communities trying to drive down bitcoin to promote their own shitcoin, it looks grim in my opinion.... Not evne talking about the banking cartels... |
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Where can u earn or get bitcoins for free
i don't like shit like a faucet
please help my
You can allways sell stuff for bitcoin, especially tech, gadgets will be interest for on the forum Nobody is gonna give you their money, I mean why should they, would you!? |
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Our "beautifull" banking system @ work. I ordered 2 nice pances from a tailor which I befriended in Thailand. I transferred 4000 bath (108 euro's) and ask the bank to let me pay for the transaction.... Boy did I regret that The billed me for 32 euro's, only for the transfer, but now the best part, the guy in Thailand only recieved 3900 bath!? So eventhough I paid the FULL transaction, they still deducted 100 bath from this poor guy's account!! This remains the biggest chance for crypto. There should be a global organization dedicated to promote bitcoin as a means to transfer funds in low wage countries. This guy is gonna try bitcoin next order, simply because I explained it to him as a way to avoid those ridiculous high costs for creating numbers in a computer out of thin air... In short, how could we as a community promote this. If you look at the enormous marketing budgets from services as paypal or western union, with their same ridiculous fees, how can we make a fist to something like that? What are your ideas? This fee is completely ridiculous... You can actually call it robbery... My thought exactly, this is nothin more or less than what the maffia does, fucking "legitamite" banking cartels... |
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what bank account do you have? because with deutesche bank i'm paying zero on everything on every transaction and on every withdrawal from any atm
the only fee is associated with conversion rate, when you want to deal with different fiat money, but this is normal
Your confusing this with IBAN transfers, those are free within the EU, international banking transfers sadly, no  I understnad conversion rates, but over 30 euro's, really!? |
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i think it's better to remove the speculation board and add the altcoin discussion section, there are much more constructive post to be made there
What does everyone else think? i agree with adding altcoin boards I agree, why is a service such as bit-x not relevant voor alts, it's super relevant for the alt communities! |
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I believe the future of bitcoin is grim, it got to costly to early, and now several organization are dedicated to destroying or diuscrediting Bitcoin. Crypto will be the future, but I fear governances and banks will create their own, which the sheeple will adopt more easily than bitcoin, hope not, but that's what I think Yes, that is quite a sad possibility. Banks and financial institutions aren't so accepting and will give more than just a strong fight to bitcoin, cloning their own and stuffing it down people's throat and banning other cryptos making them illegal or something. Decentralization might never happen and our piracy will always be fucked with. Bitcoin and other cryptos will be suffocated and die out I don't think die out, but only for the reall diehard independenace seekers, so underground... |
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You know what I find funny. The badbitcoin.org twitter guy who was all up in XPY, he seems to be quite now, yet no remorse about endorsing such a scam, the guy lost all credibility with me, and many others I think |
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the only cloud mining site you could have trusted was cex.io though they dont offer cloud mining now, so i guess there are no websites to trust
agree, cex.io is the only bitcoin cloudmining that i trust. their service make sense, not like any other cloud mining site that offering big payout and fast ROI. think smart and never trust 100% to any cloudmining website , cex.io included Too bad there's no way to earn any money with cex.io The only one who wins there is cex.io |
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I believe the future of bitcoin is grim, it got to costly to early, and now several organization are dedicated to destroying or diuscrediting Bitcoin. Crypto will be the future, but I fear governances and banks will create their own, which the sheeple will adopt more easily than bitcoin, hope not, but that's what I think |
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Our "beautifull" banking system @ work. I ordered 2 nice pances from a tailor which I befriended in Thailand. I transferred 4000 bath (108 euro's) and ask the bank to let me pay for the transaction.... Boy did I regret that The billed me for 32 euro's, only for the transfer, but now the best part, the guy in Thailand only recieved 3900 bath!? So eventhough I paid the FULL transaction, they still deducted 100 bath from this poor guy's account!! This remains the biggest chance for crypto. There should be a global organization dedicated to promote bitcoin as a means to transfer funds in low wage countries. This guy is gonna try bitcoin next order, simply because I explained it to him as a way to avoid those ridiculous high costs for creating numbers in a computer out of thin air... In short, how could we as a community promote this. If you look at the enormous marketing budgets from services as paypal or western union, with their same ridiculous fees, how can we make a fist to something like that? What are your ideas? |
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As far as the future goes, I would expect it to stick around for a few years, but it will never be anything more than a niche currency.
The problem with it is its volatility. It could rise or fall large increments, all before lunch, which makes it pretty terrible as a currency overall.
People still look to it for some huge investment opportunity like it was when it first emerged. Back then people literally became millionaires in some cases. But that bubble burst long ago.
as longs as the market cap remains the same we will continue to have the volatility around us. but then again, volatility attracts people. Yeah but it's the wronk kind of people in my opinion. Bitcoin and crypto stands for decentral and a independant means of tranfering value or storing data, the goal is not wealth, the goal should be independance from entities which we rather not use, but HAVE to, but bitcoin gives us options!! |
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The difference transcends race. Hook-nosed blacks are generally pieces of shit, while blacks with streamlined profiles and upward-turned noses are typically great (although still black).
Allthough still black, really, being black is something negative in your eyes, you're a very racist individual, I feel sorry for your narrow views... Most of my friends are black. I do, however, recognize the differences between whites and blacks. If that makes me a racist, then fine. In the time of backward america destroying everything on the continent, including wildlife and indeginous people, alot of scientist tried to proof that blacks differ from whites, they have found NOTHING, eventhough they were biased from the start to find something, they couldn't... The differences between blacks and whites is color, nothing more, nothing less.... The enviromental situation makes more difference... |
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LTC UP Don't know what you mean, it's down 200% at least |
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I have a Bitcoin logo sticker on my laptop, so I always get asked about it. Sadly, however, the only thing they seem to want to know is if I've made any money...  Everyone loves money and everyone wants money. But they don't want to make an effort to make good money and that is the reason bitcoin is not so popular in developing countries. Everyone wants quick and fast money but that is not possible. So when I told my friends about bitcoin they said its better to gamble on stocks. Also the fact that people who are investigating it are coming to the conclusion that they are too late to enter the world of bitcoin, with the huge price (and huge risks associated) and the ridiculous difficulty, people finding it to big of a risk, and if you don't have extra money to spend, it IS. Because these recent spam attacks are only the beginning of efforts of forces that don't won't bitcoin to be, all those variables make it very risky to invest a considerable amount of hard worked cash... |
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