I don't understand what you are saying because the nonce can't remain unchanged. The nonce is a sequential roll number that starts as zero for an account's first roll and increases by one for every roll.

Edit. This reminded me of a conversation explaining nonces in our thread:

As the question that started this slight diversion was "out of curiosity which religion is okay with gambling?" thanks for being the one that was finally able to answer it.

Just enough to allow him to abuse the faucet without needing to pay for a captcha solving service.

Banned for violating our ToS



As is explained in our ToS your forfeited your balance. All bans are permanent so you are not welcome to risk your money again because that would be ban evasion.

I'm glad that other people have cleared this up for you already. Results don't tell you anything about fairness. They can only tell you how lucky you have been. Please click the THIS GAME IS PROVABLY FAIR! link on the page and you can read in detail how it works and even more importantly how to use it to prove fairness to yourself.

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I know I'm just being a pedant here but they are not pretending they are fooling themselves. It isn't a pretence because they actually believe they are religious.

I've often wondered that as well. I think the answer is that most religious people cherry-pick which rules they want to adhere to.

It means you tried to withdraw from 17 of your 122 accounts at the same time. That was a very basic error for an abuser to make because it sticks out like a sore thumb when I'm reviewing the blocked payouts.


lol. Your IT team only has one laptop and every hour they each log in to their accounts do a free roll and then log out and pass it to the next member of the team to do the same. There isn't enough time for that to happen between these free rolls. We digitally fingerprint you so we know for a fact that it's the same instance of the same program running on the same device. Not faking different fingerprints was another very basic error of yours. That combined with your bot's very obvious use of a name dictionary to create the email names in identical format absolutely nails you.

Can you sign a Bitcoin message from your profile address or an address you previously deposited from?

We have only 3 simple rules and you were breaking 2 of them.


I have already explained that our AI systems didn't decide. They referred your 17 simultaneous withdrawals to me for manual review. I looked at the evidence and found that your were attempted theft from us on large scale and decided to ban you.

I mean what it says in the ToS. Using 122 accounts to play free rolls is attempting to steal 122x what one person is entitled to get from the faucet.

Try resyncing the 2fa rather than just setting the time. There's no bug with the reset 2fa link on the login page so what error message does it give?

Were you automating free rolls and/or multi-accounting?


Our bot detection systems have been upgraded so if you have used one at any time your account(s) will have been shadow banned and then your next withdrawal needs to be manually reviewed. I need to check the evidence rather than just having the system fully ban people.

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Premium page.

I have noticed that you are wrong. The option to randomise the client seed is here:


When you reaload the page the JavaScript calls the RAND function in your OS to create a new one. If you really want to use the same one you can just save it and change it back.


So this theoretical situation is impossible because our system doesn't spit out client seeds your OS does and because it is in JavaScript you can see the source code to verify that's true.


Yes. I have to correct customers misunderstandings on the issue regularly.


I do hope you now understand that you were mistaken because I would hate you to have to rely on trust. People relying on that can be easily fooled into believing trusted members of the forum who have been hoodwinked into doing the bad guys' work for them. You should never blindly believe what other people say when you can verify it yourself. You might end up believing someone who formed an opinion by making a judgement on how believable they think other people are.

No.

The game was Tuesday morning in my timezone and was still in progress when I was doing the payouts and then I forgot about yesterday. That's one of the reasons I write payout within 48 hours on each bet even though they usually paid a lot quicker it covers me for occasions like this. I think I just made it within 48 hours.

Yes. That is the very first step anyone who wants to find out if a provably fair site is cheating needs to take.


We already know you would love that. We also know that you would love to use them as mud to sling at us without even knowing if the person you are quoting just made them up. Would you even care if it was one of our competitors and you were being used?


You have a very good way of completely missing the point I have made. It doesn't matter what I have access to. Provably fair is between a site and every single one of its customers. It is there for them to use and make their own decisions. It makes the likes of you giving your opinions on sites you have never even used irrelevant. I explained to you the three options. You have chosen option 3. Just to believe anything you read and then go around repeating it. In this business people who choose that option aren't taken seriously.

This isn't the first time you have tried to tarnish our reputation by taking an unrelated allegation off-topic by regurgitating other people's smears. You started off by saying that you don't think we have a good reputation here. I'll tell you how confident I am that your opinion is way out of line with the majority of the forum. I sometimes get support emails from new customers asking how they can trust us. I always reply with a link to this forum and tell them to check out our reputation for themselves.

Reputation is important to all casinos. With fiat licensed casinos reputation is the only thing people have to judge if a site is fair so the market tends to be dominated by big household names. With provably fair people understand that fairness is for them to check themselves so they are more interested in whether a site is going to payout or not. Is it stable and safe to leave funds there etc? That's why I don't even need to bother replying again every time someone repeats bogus allegations of cheating. Provably fair supersedes reputation when your customers can see themselves that allegations on the internet are false. That's why all your efforts to paint us as baddies are futile.

Edit.

One thing I'm curious about. How long is going to take you to work out that nobody cares if you trust us or not because you based that opinion solely on information you have no idea about the validity of?

It's not really a technical debate. LoyceV thinks provably fair is worthless because it wasn't made to do what he wants to use it for. It's not to help the Great and Good of the forum to decide which casinos are the goodies and the baddies. It's for each individual customer to use to find out for themselves. It circumvents the need to rely on people like LoyceV's judgment.


As I was trying to point out here it's really not about reputation, that's in the eye of the beholder.


If any provably fair site started cheating they wouldn't have any customers left in a very short time.

No. We decided to buy out FUN instead.

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We closed Doge because there wasn't enough gambling volume to justify the effort even though Doge is one of the most popular alts. I don't think there's a token that used enough to make a site like this work.

We get attacked all the time. I don't know who are they are. A combination of competitors, bad losers, abusers that have been banned I guess. DDoS attacks, negative SEO attacks etc. Some of them cost money to do but slinging mud on forums is cheap and easy and there's usually a few well meaning people who allow themselves to get duped into being the bad guy's useful idiot by amplifying it.

The site is in JavaScript so the link is the same as the rest of the site: https://freebitco.in/?op=home#
Click MORE and STATS is the last item.

There are several graphs showing information for the last 10 days including amount wagered.


That's not what I said. I said it is pointless repeating the same thing over and over.


That's because I had already responded to their PM on the 4th of November and I was only made aware of this thread on the 7th.^*



This is probably the source of your misunderstanding. This goes for all provably fair systems and is not in any way unique to Freebitco.in. Provably fair allows every user to verify to themselves if they were cheated on any individual roll. That's all it does but that isn't worthless.

You have options.

1) You can use a fiat gambling site licensed by an authority that specifies they have to use an approved RNG. You have no way of knowing if they actually used that RNG on any individual bet. If someone says they were cheated by that site you have no way of knowing if they are telling the truth or not.

2) You can use a provably fair crypto site that gives you the tools to prove to yourself if you were cheated on every individual roll if you make the effort to do so. If someone says they were cheated by that site you have no way of knowing if they are telling the truth or not.

3) You can just form an opinion based on what you read on the internet. If a few people start throwing mud at a site you can decide that you think some of it sticks. You can even join in and throw your own mud when you have no idea if what you read is true or not.

Provably Fair wasn't created to be a tool for The Forum Police. It lets customers find out if they are cheated. Even if all they can do with that information is decide not to use that site again it's still vastly superior to options 1 and 3.


It might surprise you to find out that we didn't keep all 130 billion rolls in a database. Even if we did and I was able to get those stats would you believe me? I don't believe the stats that some trolls have posted on this forum because I can see their real stats. That's what all this comes down to in the end. Without actually verifying your own rolls it's just a case of who you choose to believe.


The forum is a collection of individuals and both of you are stating your opinions. That isn't the same thing "our reputation". From my dealings on the forum, I'd hazard a guess that far more people have a positive view of us than have a negative view.  
I'll take the first part of your statement as a compliment. Thanks.


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You have stated a couple of times that one of the reasons you don't trust us is because I chose not to get involved in that thread you quoted. That was nearly 3 years ago but this has just reminded me of the reasons. As was the case with this thread I had already discussed it by PM before I knew about the thread. When someone did post about it in one of our threads and ask me to reply I saw that the thread had already been hijacked by a particularly vexatious troll with an agenda.
He was making money from referral commissions by conning people that his can't lose dice script was 'raping", his words, not mine, the big bad evil freebitco.in. His schtick was to repeatedly tell lies about us and use it as a way of getting more referrals. He would make some bullshit claim like we were stuffing the lottery file with fake users. So I would point out that would just increase the prize pool so it would be net-zero to us and pointless to do. He'd make another false claim, I'd answer that and so on until he just went back to the beginning and repeated the same claims as if I hadn't already answered him. I hadn't been doing this for long then but I had worked out that replying, feeding the troll, was counterproductive. It just gave him an excuse to keep repeating the same lies.
That post you gave him his 5 merit for was my first clue that he might be hacking his referrals. I couldn't be certain because he was just making those numbers up and it was later he said something else that made me put a warning on his trust wall that his bot might be malicious.
It turned out to be true https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5213523.msg53475361#msg53475361