Yeah mate leave that there, try to ignore the answers from nutildah as much as possible, they might just disappear. Admit you lost the argument, you have no reply to what he said, you fucking dishonest liar. I post video of NASA manufacturing evidence and somehow that makes me a dishonest liar? Please explain. BTW #4 "NASA caught faking the Moon landings" is especially relevant to this thread: https://youtu.be/pEE7OPKLhaM?t=871I've got them "red handed" why does that make me the dishonest liar, I don't understand? Still ignoring the argument nutildah presented several times destroying your stupid logic i see. What makes you a dishonest liar is that, which is what i said in my post |
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You seem to be very confused about what an answer is.
An easy example you might understand: (probably not)
I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence.
Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion.
Religion takes an overview of life. Science focuses on little pieces of stuff, and often comes up with stupidity regarding that stuff. If we had only science, we would stumble and die for lack of a big enough understanding of how to live. If we had only religion, we would simply go on with life as we have for thousands of years. You seem very confused about what the topic is.  Did religion help edison, einstein, newton and every other genius/creator/inventor ?? Did it at all??? Did they need to know about god to invent or discover things? Of course not. We are here because of them, you can type stupid shit because of them not religion, religion didnt invent computers or the internet. |
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^^^ All of that "stuff" you see is only one... one within-the-universe. I know that there isn't anything that creates itself, from all the countless numbers of things that have creators, and the fact that something creating itself from scratch has never been found. This makes the odds are so overwhelmingly great against something creating itself from scratch, that even science accepts that such is impossible. You simply ignored my explanation of out-side-the-universe. But you always argue against the dating methods becuase we dont know if physics worked the same way in the past and yet here you contradict yourself by saying that everything must have a creator because all you have seen has creators but you only knoe like 0.000000000001% of the universe, what makes you so sure that even though that 0.000000000001% has creators means the rest also does?? All the stuff I see is one and many, i see many people, many buildings, etc, your are talking nonsense. |
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Yeah mate leave that there, try to ignore the answers from nutildah as much as possible, they might just disappear. Admit you lost the argument, you have no reply to what he said, you fucking dishonest liar. |
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''But religion has some of the answers.'' Just because it's written there it doesn't mean it has 'answers'. It has statements, like god made the universe, it has 0 answers as of how. Just like any other book which can contain literally anything, are those answers too?
'Stephen Hawking's Final Book Says There's 'No Possibility' of God in Our Universe'
Everyone loses a bit of brain power as they get older. If Hawking knew everything, he would have instructed some people in the way to fix his physical/mental problems. In other words, Hawking didn't know enough to make a truthful statement like that... if indeed his book plainly says such. And either he was intentionally lying, was into a non-God religion, or was losing his brain power with age. Those who believe him are like him. Science has some of the answers. But religion has more, better, and more important ones. Science theory which is believed to be factual, but which could be changed on a moment's notice with new findings, is a religion, just like any other religion. Why? Because of perception. It's perception that makes all the religions to be believed, even the science religions. You seem to be very confused about what an answer is. An easy example you might understand: (probably not) I ask, why do things fall down? An answer could be: they fall down because the earth is flat and accelerating upwards, is that a true answer though? No, just like the answers in the bible, its a statement with no evidence. Science answers with gravity which can be measured and tested and you yourself admit its real, you admit science works better than religion. |
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''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about.
It might not mean anything to you. But then, lots of stuff doesn't mean anything to you.Since all we see is one , it is one... at least until we find that it is not one. As for God creating the universe, you can do one of two things: 1. Find a normal, average person - or even a genius - who can create a universe like our universe. This will show that the universe is not created by a god or even God; 2. If you can't find #1, or anyone who is close to #1, "God" fits the Creator by description and definition. I already repeated several times that nothing creates itself. Blab about it all you want, but can you show anything different? It doesn't even makes sense - isn't even logical - that something can create itself when none of it was there to do the creating. Therefore the universe didn't create itself. So, what created the universe? Something that was outside the universe - at least by universe understanding. This Something, as we have shown, fits our description/definition of "God." You act like someone who has been checkmated and is unwilling to accept the fact. "Since all we see is one"  All we see is one? I just saw 100 cars and 200 different people, what do you mean all we see is one? Your illogical thoughts are meaningless. 1. Logical fallacy, argument from ignorance. 2. Argument from ignorance You repeated that nothing creates itself but how can you know that? Do you know everything in the universe? Have you been there every time something was created? You repeat "outside the universe" but show no evidence of such. |
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You are the retard who claims to have insight on that, are you this stupid to insult yourself without even knowing? Who is the idiot who claims to know it was god and it was 'outside the universe'? Huh? Isn't that you? You keep claiming 'outside the universe' is something and yet there is 0 scientific evidence for that, you are a hoax.
So science doesn't know enough to have figured anything out about things outside the universe, right? But religion has some of the answers. All you are saying is that science is smarter than religion, but it obviously isn't. It's simply smart in a different way. Even Hawking agrees that something outside the universe created it. ''But religion has some of the answers.'' Just because it's written there it doesn't mean it has 'answers'. It has statements, like god made the universe, it has 0 answers as of how. Just like any other book which can contain literally anything, are those answers too? 'Stephen Hawking's Final Book Says There's 'No Possibility' of God in Our Universe' |
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''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it.
You know the answer to this. In the billions of things that we have measured in the universe, there has never been one instance that anything ever made itself. So, the universe was made. Since the universe was made, the maker had to be outside of the universe. We know nothing about outside-the-universe except that it exists. We don't know if it has 3 parts or countless trillions. All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe. Even Hawking in his silly Big Bang agrees with this. ''All it is to us is one... one outside-the-universe.'' That doesn't mean anything, a group is one but made of many members which are not ''one''. Since we know nothing about the 'outside the universe' why do you claim the universe was created by god? We also don't know that 'outside the universe' even exists, unless you have some evidence no one knows about. |
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''If I as an intelligent human species demand that for my intelligence and this creation, there should be a creator, then God who's far more intelligent according to religion, must also demand a creator. '' Exactly but yet badecker uses special pleading to say NOPE, god doesn't need a creator because I say so.
If you think that you have some special insight into the way that anything worked before the universe was created, or the way anything works outside of the universe right now, let's hear it. And show us the reason why it wouldn't fall into the class of religion, but might be more like science. We don't even know that the concept of creation existed outside of the creation of the universe, and the creations of things within the universe. You are the retard who claims to have insight on that, are you this stupid to insult yourself without even knowing? Who is the idiot who claims to know it was god and it was 'outside the universe'? Huh? Isn't that you? You keep claiming 'outside the universe' is something and yet there is 0 scientific evidence for that, you are a hoax. |
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^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us? Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members. Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God? '' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim. ''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators. Not at all. In the case of God, all we see is the corporation. The only present scientific evidence we have is One. However, if we accept the Bible, then we see that the corporation is made up of three. The difference between God and our corporation is that God can be the corporation if only one of His persons is present, because one of the persons is all God... or two of them, or all three. How this works is not easily understandable. But then, the universe and life are barely understandable. Accepting the Bible scientifically is a matter for a different thread. But that can be shown, as well... that the Bible is scientifically accurate, although the method for doing so is indirect. ''The only present scientific evidence we have is One.'' Where is that present scientific evidence exactly? Certainly not in your argument, where in complexity, cause and effect or machines have makers is it? I don't see it. |
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1. But where did "nothing" come from? "Nothing" didn't come from "nothing," did it? 2. The science that suggests this is simply interpretation that contradicts itself in areas. The example of Big Bang shows that our math and physics cannot be used to calculate what the BB was like, so it can't really calculate that BB even existed. 3. Naming the particles is simple. For example, the earth is a planet. How simple. But it is very much more complex that simply calling it a planet. Just because we haven't figured out the complexity of an atom or electron, doesn't mean the complexity isn't there. For example, we have figured out enough to know that electrons are made up of other subatomic particles. 4. Except that aether theory, electric universe theory, and micro-gravity theory all contradict points in the theory of relativity... which remains a theory, because it can be changed upon further findings. This shows that it is not a fact, and things like black-holes are so far out there that we don't really know what part of relativity holds true with them. In addition, the idea that a point inside the black hole can contain the matter of the black-hole, contradicts Euclidean geometry. A point is the place where things meet. It is the non-existence of material... yet scientists run all around this idea by suggesting that a chunk of space that is too small to even contain "nothing," can contain so much material that the gravity of it can suck even light in. Scientists are twisting math into things that it is not made to be twisted into. 1) you are trying way too hard to paint a God into the picture. It won't work. You aren't able to perceive "nothing" doesn't mean "nothing" can't exist. If big bang is true, indeed everything came into existence from "nothing". There's nothing to argue. 2) Nah..... life is a part of the mysterious universe. To claim that the universe is lame and life is superior so a God exist is absurd. Life and universe both are weird yet simple. 3) Sure, but the logic still stays. On the fundamental level, every stuff on earth is made up of same thing. Doesn't matter how complex they are, at the fundamental level, everything is same. Everything is "matter". 4) recently we even got a picture of blackhole  blackhole exists both practically and theoretically. Light can indeed be sucked in as it had dynamic mass and it behaves like particles too. The blackhole has gravity high enough to do it  You can't convince me a sky daddy exist yet  1. You are trying way too hard to paint God out of the picture. - We can easily understand "nothing." Simple people wave their hand through the air, and call it nothing. Scientists call the emptiness of some parts of outer space, "nothing." But a "nothing" that is absence of even outer space is the real nothing, but we can't comprehend it because such would be too different. The fact that BB Theory contradicts itself, throws everything that BB was supposed to be right back into the lap of God. 2. Life and the universe are not simple. They are extremely complex and complicated. Ask any serious scientist. The proof of the complexity lies in the fact that if life were simple, we would have figured out how to live for 10,000 years by now. But we still can't guarantee even 100 years. 3. All matter is energy when you get right down to it. We barely understand anything about the aether which gives birth to the energy that makes up the matter. 4. Anybody can call a black hole whatever he wants. And scientists can make up all kinds of theories about what a black hole is. Standard black hole theory doesn't fit Euclidean Geometry that we use every day. Since nobody has gone out to visit a black hole, let's stick with what we know, not some silly theory that doesn't match anything. 5. I don't believe that there is a sky daddy. God is way more powerful than a sky daddy could ever think of being. 1) you are correct that comprehending "nothing" is hard. But nature or universe or whatever was there before universe doesn't care if we can comprehend it or not. This is when I believe in the "everything doesn't exist until observed" theory. The only way we can comprehend "nothing" is by comprehending what and how we felt before taking birth. We didn't exist. Hence, it was "nothing" for us. All of a sudden we took birth and became conscious. Our consciousness came out from "nothing". 2) life and universe is neither simple nor complex. Simple and complex are comparative term. You need something outside of universe to compare it to. Life and universe are there what it is. Hence, we just can't say they are complex just because we can't comprehend it. 3) Matter is mass and it is energy. And they existed eternally. They will continue to exist eternally. Unless the bigbang was right. Then they came out from nothing. They will cease to nothingness or just stay eternally. Matter and anti matter is being created and annihilated all time in space everywhere .... 4) I was not talking about blackholes in the first place at all..... I was referring black hole with the theory of relativity for better understanding. Doesn't matter what a black hole looks like, theory of relativity is very real, speed of light is constant and times varies for different velocities and objects. They are facts. 5) God is a skydaddy who doesn't exist. What was he doing before creation? Chilling alone in darkness? Thinking whether to create or not? Didn't he question himself why he was there in the first place? He's in a self prison. He can't die. He can't escape. Eternal boring. Hence decided to create? Lol.... If I as an intelligent human species demand that for my intelligence and this creation, there should be a creator, then God who's far more intelligent according to religion, must also demand a creator. ''If I as an intelligent human species demand that for my intelligence and this creation, there should be a creator, then God who's far more intelligent according to religion, must also demand a creator. '' Exactly but yet badecker uses special pleading to say NOPE, god doesn't need a creator because I say so. |
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^^^ Is that all you can come up with? Don't you think that some of the machines we make are complex enough that they have complex makers - some of us? Remember the corporation. It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members. Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one? We can see the God-part in science's calculations of nature. But can we see more than one God? '' It's one corporation that makes the cars, even though it is made up of many members.'' Right, so? It's still many members, isn't it? You again just admitted that it's made of many members just like the creators of the universe could be many members not just one, like you claim. ''Do you have any scientific proof or evidence that God is more than one?'' Do you have evidence that it's just one? Your argument does NOT show it's only a creator, it shows the possibility of multiple creators. |
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It's the same foil you wrap your fish in.
Wrong. Aluminum foil is made out of aluminum. Kapton is an aluminized polymer with a far more complex molecular structure. Next. Rofl, this guy will keep spewing shit without any kind of evidence, he keeps saying the same shit for over 100 pages without EVER providing any evidence besides stupid pictures and videos but when you give him videos or pictures of the earth from space, he says, duh those are only pictures, they are not evidence. |
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^^^ Science doesn't always work. There are many times when the medical is amazed that there was this result or that result. Religion has the answer for both, the this or the that. Science doesnt always work but it works, religion never works, otherwise people would go to churches not hospitals. People go to hospitals because of religious preaching that hospitals work. Didn't you notice that hospitals are full of death results for people who went there? Most people in the world are religious. And they live longer than if they had gone to the hospitals. Science is simply observations. Religion is life. What? ''People go to hospitals because of religious preaching that hospitals work.'' Right..... since when does religion preach that exactly? Does it say that in the bible? To go to hospitals? Or does it say to pray to god? |
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^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting. I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him. So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer. But we don't have any proof for that. If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same? What Proof? Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists. Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms. Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god The fact that you can use simplicity in such a complex way proves that there is a God. Focusing on the god that you are trying to be by eliminating the God that exists, is proof of God. Complex machines have complex makers. This is evident in all of our machines... all of which have been taken from the much more complex machine of the universe Maker. The fact that this evidence is overwhelming is proof the God not only exists, but is allowing you to diminish yourself to the point of pure simplicity... even though it takes extreme complexity to make this you-simplicity in our complex universe. ''Complex machines have complex makers.'' So you admit the universe has maker S with an S, right? Why do you keep claiming it was god then? |
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^^^ What happen is you watch the following video, it shows a map of the Earth "as it is" and explains how to use it. The Gleason's Map - The Masterpiece of a Genius -- https://youtu.be/q9_11ukXIUoYou'll be able to plot your own course and have a very accurate answer to your question. The ol classic youtube video proof |
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^^^ Science doesn't always work. There are many times when the medical is amazed that there was this result or that result. Religion has the answer for both, the this or the that. Science doesnt always work but it works, religion never works, otherwise people would go to churches not hospitals. |
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^^^ You certainly showed examples. But you didn't prove evolution to exist factually. Evolution is a hoax. Evolution is when an organism "evolves" and passes their evolved features to their offspring. Lizards adapted to the new environment, developed new features and passed them to future generations. Its the literal definition of evolution. |
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^^^ Stuff on which your position in eternity hinges, is always at least a little interesting. I read most of the views, i can't understand why people not rely on God, it is not difficult to believe on One God. Also we should believe on the day and that is Judgement Day, God will punish those people who didn't believe him. So in this world it is our exam, we should search about God, if anyone doubt on it. And then believe on him before the judgement day, when you have no answer. But we don't have any proof for that. If humans has judgement day then what will be the situation of other living organisms? Ant and cockroach have the same? What Proof? Most of the things are here in our world which we can't see, Just like anyone give me slap and i said him that i have a pain then definitely he will ask where is pain, i can't see Pain, So we can't see God but he is exists. Only human being and giants are answerable in front of God, not insects and other organisms. Fallacious argument. We cant see pain but we can measure it, test it, feel it. Just like oxygen or anything else that we cant see. There is still plenty of evidence of pain, not so much of god |
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^^^ God's only force is His force with which He forces Himself, because He wants to. Great numbers of people who are wrong don't change what is right, or who believe in falsehood don't change the truth. As for Einstein, he shows us that the Jews (God's people) are way ahead of most of the rest of us. So, get into their Book, and you might understand the proof of God, finally. Note that I am not trying to save you. Only the Holy Spirit can do that, provided you are too weak to resist Him. Does any of that have to do with the fact that evolution is a hoax. Well, I showed you all the examples of evolution you asked for, lizards literally developing a valve through adaption and passing on the genes to future generations, I really don't see what you don't understand. |
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