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5321  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If you are weak get the hell out of Cryptocurrency. on: January 12, 2018, 03:48:42 PM
and if you are a trader you have to trade with bitcoin not USDT shit
and a true bitcoin trader, should be prepared to accept the risk of losing a lot of BTC, maybe losing 1 BTC is commonly experienced by traders. and he is strongly receptive to loss.

Losing 1 BTC is really huge, so I can’t blame people for getting scared or losing faith after losing that huge ampunt of money. Some may even get tramautized after having such an experience but it can be said it’s inevitable for traders to lose. One must simply learn to accept and control their emotions. Those who already concurred a loss should accept and move on, learn from their mistakes because this will make them better traders.

You are definitely right.
Losing one (1) BTC is a huge-loss but like the title of the thread, investing into cryptocurrencies or investing in general is not for the weak-willed and minded. Before you start to invest, you should consider that money as "MONEY THAT YOU ARE WILLING TO LOSE. You also should know the repercussions of your decision when you invest something big and to an entity whose security is less compared to the other types of investment. Nevertheless, a loss is still a loss and your only remedy is for you to accept and move-on. That's what investing is and it is not always a bed of roses.
5322  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are Bitcoins taxable? on: January 12, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
It all depends on the particular national laws.

Well technically, it really depends on the country's laws that you are staying in. Normally, bitcoin itself is not taxable but mining is. A lawyer at our BSP (Central Bank) told us that bitcoin mining falls under the 'other income' bracket thus making it taxable. But I am pretty sure that most people earn their bitcoins through investments, trading, campaign signature or even gambling.
Also do note that the government will only tax something that they can control. Bitcoin in itself is decentralized, meaning no government entity can regulate it.
5323  Economy / Economics / Re: Many new rich people are created from Bitcoin on: January 12, 2018, 11:39:33 AM
bitcoin prices continue to rise as this is one of the causes of increased bitcoin users, whose goal is to change a much better standard of living, give your feedback on this?

Well in order for someone to be rich in bitcoin, he/she must invest and risk large amounts of money for the yield to be higher. Compared to the other types of investments, the cryptocurrency world is still the investment that has minimal regulations compared to the others. Stocks have the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission), gold prices are being regulated by the FCA (Financial Conduct Authority), and bank investments like bonds are regulated by our respective Central Banks.

Recently, there have been news circulating about regulations being imposed in some countries against illegal bitcoin miners and trading companies who do not comply with the requirements given by the government. But there still lacks a government institution who can regulate bitcoin and that is the reason on its high volatility in the market. Let us embrace this opportunity because once the government regulates it on the future, expect prices to be controlled at a certain level, which would affect most investors like us.
5324  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is trading Bitcoin and other alts still profitable? on: January 12, 2018, 11:06:55 AM
I was a trader awhile back, I want to say about a year ago now and wanted to know what the current state of the market is for the traders that are currently trading to this day? I know a lot of the current exchanges that I used for trading, such as Poloniex, are still around but aren't really being used much as before.

I wasn't able to profit much but would like to hear how people are doing these days. Thanks a ton!

Definitely.
I have a friend who trades bitcoin on a daily-basis and earns around $9000-$10,000 per month depending on the price crash of bitcoin. He also utilizes other coins as well for his trading. Though one requirement that you need is that, you need a large amount of capital in order to earn that amount of money monthly. He risks most of his cash and coins. I asked him some questions regarding stocks and forex; he told me that he already experience losing large sums of money and investing into cryptocurrency was his bread-and-butter throughout the years.
5325  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: KFC to accept Bitcoin! on: January 12, 2018, 04:21:57 AM
Well this a huge step-forward for the cryptocurrency world as it now has an option to pay food using bitcoins! But are you seriously going to waste your assets for food? Let's think it this way, if an average meal at KFC is around 0.0002 btcs and the current price of bitcoin is around $13,700, you would waste a lot money if the price skyrockets in the future! As we all know, bitcoin is very volatile and its price may vary everyday. I wouldn't want my investments to be touched until it matures to my deisred level.
5326  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Future of Money on: January 12, 2018, 12:03:59 AM
They will stay what they are and will not be replaced by cryptocurreny. Fiat are the representation of a country so i don't see any circumstance that a country will choose cryptocurrency as a national legal tender, governments might support this currency but not to the point they will replace fiat with it.

You are right.
Fiat as our international currency is recognized around the world as the main medium of exchange. Considering that there are countries that still follow the barter-system payment, introducing cryptocurrencies as main currencies will not be feasible due to economic discrepancies per country. Also remember that half of the population around the world are living in poverty and have no access to the internet. Lastly, cryptocurrencies in general exist within the internet and is intangible compared to fiat. It is easier to have something that you can hold-on as to something that can be potentially hacked in the internet.
5327  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: how can we make gambling as an accepted recreational activity like sports game? on: January 11, 2018, 11:07:32 PM
We can make this happen, but most of all people shouldn't be getting themselves more binded to play gambling as a sources of their profit. That's why most people who think critically doesn't accept this kind of activity a form of recreational activity, besides they've been having an impression of money wasting.

When we think of sports or the olympics, it is composed of individuals who have sheer knowledge and skills about the said sport. They are trained since birth and they rely on their confidence and SKILL rather than something that cannot be controlled, which is LUCK. Gambling is an activity that primarily deals with luck. Since its nature is relatively based on odds, regardless of your skill or physique, if it isn't your day you are bound to lose. Why would gambling be a sport when there is no competition at all?

One might argue that poker takes some serious skill for you to manipulate other people and it is also being televised around the world. But again, you cannot control the cards being shown at the table. All require some luck for you to win.
5328  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will we see Bitcoin fall in 2018? on: January 11, 2018, 03:39:02 PM
Due to Ripples recent INSANE bull run, I have been seeing SO many FUD posts about how "Bitcoin is over" "Bitcoin will fail in 2018" and whatever other titles people can construe and conjure up to make people scared or sell off their position. It has been really irritating me so I decided to make a video about it, let me know your thoughts and happy New Year!

Link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0EFSb1ZwKg
hey guys never think that bitcoin will fall in 2018 because this year was the year of bitcoin.2018 is our year of blessings and all of us will be also become an instant milionare.so come on guys always think positive.

Why do you think that 2018 will be the year of bitcoins? Instead of bitcoins, I guess that 2018 will focus more on the growth of altcoins in the market. Many altcoins including ripple, ethereum, neo, etc. have been showing good signs of price increase last two weeks ago. If you are thinking of investing short or long-term, try exploring some altcoins in the market, especially ripple (which I heavily recommend).
Personally, I think bitcoin would be a litte more stable this 2018 due to a lot of recent news circulating the media about its legalization and utilization into some countries. There also have been regulations happening in some countries which also play a factor on its price.
5329  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin drops $2,000 in value as South Korea announces planned trading ban on: January 11, 2018, 02:21:39 PM
Bitcoin drops $2,000 in value as South Korea announces planned trading ban

The value of bitcoin plunged 13.5% in the early hours of Thursday after news hit that South Korea is planning to ban cryptocurrency trading.

News of the ban follows the raiding of local cryptocurrency exchanges by police and tax authorities over alleged tax evasion, as one of the key nations driving the demand for bitcoin and other virtual currencies attempts a clampdown.

“There are great concerns regarding virtual currencies and the justice ministry is basically preparing a bill to ban cryptocurrency trading through exchanges,” justice minister Park Sang-ki said.
This is usually normal in crypto currencies as news and event always have impact on their prices, south Korean ban on bitcoin will only affect it temporarily as we noticed during the clamped down on exchanges by the Chinese government last year, there was a drop in the price
 then before the price rallies upward later.
I think South Korea is just trying to regulate the crypto currencies not totally banning it.Stop spreading the fake news and creating panic situation around bitcoin investors.The current fall in price due to the increase in price of altcoin but soon the bitcoin will bump as it normally happened over history.

Actually, the ban is only applicable to cryptocurrency companies who do not meet the standard qualifications and requirements provided by their government and not entirely ALL of them. As we all know these kinds of news will result to a decrease on bitcoin's price, which may be an opportunity for us investors to buy bitcoins for long-term goal. Like what others said in the forum, I really do hope that before you post controversial topics like this you must first double-check your facts to avoid confusion to some people. Even the smallest of things may yield the biggest effects.
5330  Other / Off-topic / Re: Everybody is joining.. on: January 11, 2018, 08:50:59 AM
As we can we some of the coins under 50 sats went up recently, now I think many people are now joining in our crypto world. What do you guys think?

I think this is normal especially since the media hyped bitcoin about its price increase throughout the years. Also, more investors means more price increases in the future. This is what keeps cryptocurrency alive, which are investors and large trading companies. I mean, who would not want potentially double their money within a year? Compared to other types of investments (i.e. bank investments, stocks, gold, real-estate, etc.), investing into cryptocurrencies may potentially yield you greater results within a shorter period of time.
The only problem that may happen in the future is government intervention. If they made a system that may regulate cryptocurrencies, we may expect the prices to decrease and to be controlled at some level, which may disturb the market.
5331  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Frustrations: Losing Streak on: January 10, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
Even when I have loosing streaks I don't stop.
I always say, this time this time..And get fucked.

If you feel like you are "getting fucked", you should stop anyways, no matter if you are on a win streak or on a lose streak.
If you feel like you can't control your gambling habits then I don't think that you should be gambling at all.
Gambling can be really dangerous if you are getting addicted to it and it can make you to get into a lot of troubles.

Gambling is not for everybody, and you should know where to stop.

Exactly.
I have been saying this for a long time but the endless cycle of losing streaks will continue if the individual does not know WHEN TO STOP. The number one problem with gambling is that, people have this mindset that gambling would answer all of their financial needs and problems. Due to that HOPE that they are clinging, they tend to gamble more despite on a losing-streak. This creates an endless cycle of exhaustion of money due to the lack of discipline and false hope. Gambling is not only dangerous, but also contagious to the public especially when one gets addicted to it.
5332  Economy / Economics / Re: Crypto is an Asset or Currency? on: January 10, 2018, 01:36:17 PM
I believe that the initial purpose of crypto is to create a digital currency for making transactions quick and easy. However, in reality it has become an asset which everybody is buying and holding. Continuing doing like this will destroy the initial purpose of the coin?

What is your opinion?
I treat cryptos as an asset and i've been holding so many altcoins from airdrops because i believe that in the future they will have a great value. I already made some mistakes for selling altcoins in the past that could have earned me a lot of money now. I will now hold and keep all my cryptos and will wait for the perfect time to sell it.

Like what you guys said, the perspective on cryptocurrencies primarily depend on the individual on whether how he/she treats it to be. For example a student might consider cryptocurrencies as alternative income (therefore currency) from payments they receive in doing signature campaigns, trading, or doing services for another. On the other hand, an investor might view it as an asset which has the potential of doubling its value in the long-run or for earning short-term income by investing it in a span of a year.

Personally, cryptocurrencies are both asset and a currency depending on the situation currently presented. As a student like me, I view it as extra money for my services and I also invest the other half of my earnings as a long-term asset.
5333  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: What encourages you to invest in any altcoin? on: January 10, 2018, 05:14:04 AM
I am a crypto enthusiastic and i know a 90% of people here on bitcointalk are as well.
There are a lot of altcoins in the market today. What should one look out for before investing in any altcoin

Basically what you should be looking before you invest in any altcoins is the number of volume in the market. As we all know, if the volume decreases due to a number of people buying the price may potentially increase. But then again, having a low set of volume means that there is also a threat on its existence in the market. To answer your question, alternative coins or 'altcoins' are relatively good alternatives for you to earn short/long-term
profit depending on which coin you choose. I recommend that you should check the link that I will provide below as it shows the hierarchy of cryptocurrencies in the market. Also, it shows the present value of these coins and real-time volatility that may help you with your decisions when investing.

Link: https://coincap.io/
5334  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will you donate Bitcoin for the poor and needy? on: January 09, 2018, 11:44:42 AM
The point is to keep a bitcoin separately for donation to the poor. Donating a bitcoin directly will make sense if the receiver is aware of the functioning of bitcoin and Cryptocurrency. A poor and / or needy man can be sometimes an educated man or a knowledgeable man who is struggling to meet his ends. Bitcoin can otherwise be encashed and given to the poor.

It is always better to think big. I would rather create a trust or try to invest in healthcare or education of a poor child. All quick helps will not last long. Educating one child by spending a $25000 or more will reap great benefits to the society in comparison with feeding a whole lot of people once with the same money. Though it is not bad to feed but it is better to invest in a system that more than once continually feeds.

Yes I will donate Bitcoin to the poor and needy the way I feel is best useful for them. One percentage of the income can always be set aside for donation. After all, life is short and it is best to help as much as we can.

It is important to give to others who cannot provide for themselves in the current time and you are right in your knowledge that helping at a earlier stage or on a more fundamental level is far more effective. Where we differ however is maybe in the idea of who should provide such things. I see it more as a governmental and societal role that we push for better education and such for a child.

Well,obviously they are poor. They might not know how bitcoin works but convert bitcoin to cash and donate or do random act of kindness that would really of great gelp to the needy and will surely put smiles on their lips. Bitcoin has been helpibg a lot of people already, let's have some time to share our blessings.

Though our intention might be pure and good, it might be very unpractical for them to cash-out their bitcoins for various reasons:

  • Being poor means they are morally incapacitated, thus having a stable internet connection might be difficult for them to achieve;
  • Lack of any background or knowledge into bitcoin makes you susceptible to scams by people around you;
  • They are obligated to have their own e-wallet, which again force them to connect to the internet; and
  • There are a lot of alternative options for you to donate rather than giving bitcoin which is much complicated for them to handle

Like what I stated above, there are a lot of options for you to donate instead of giving them bitcoin. The thought of giving them something that is electronic in nature only adds insult to injury in their situation. Though it may be very idealistic, I think that providing them food/clothing or money may be the better solution.
5335  Economy / Economics / Re: How bitcoin can help for working abroad specially OFW on: January 09, 2018, 03:08:16 AM
Bitcoin/Coins.ph are so many way to make our life easier specially for OFW.
*They can use it to remit a money for their family in Philippines in a very convenient.
*Bitcoin is also way to earn extra money by using earning some satoshi or faucet.
 Please share more on how bitcoin can help.

Earning bitcoins is relatively advantageous to everyone regardless of their state as OFWs, working students, employees, or even unemployed people. Talking about OFWs, I am not entirely sure if there exists a fee on transferring bitcoin from coins.ph to another coins.ph account. From what I know, transferring bitcoins to another wallet address has a corresponding mining fee which is expensive currently. Not to mention, they should be careful when using bitcoins and they must be knowledgeable about the laws on the country that they are working to avoid any illegal mishaps.
Lastly, the presence of coins.ph as a wallet provider in the country significantly helps almost everyone who has bitcoin due to its enormous capabilities and options to choose from.
5336  Economy / Speculation / Re: The market is on fire today! on: January 08, 2018, 11:48:37 PM
I believe this is merely temporary. This is the result of people moving away from Bitcoins because either they cashed out of bitcoins or they are moving away due to the fact of the network problems with it. It's been the normal course of bitcoins and has been happening again and again in the past. So the best option is always to move to altcoins for now and when bitcoins does pump move out of altcoins and cash out the profits to bitcoins.

Of course, just what we have seen previously, market going down is only short term, I don't know about altcoins market though. And yeah I would agree with one member that it maybe due to coinmarketcap removing Ripple coming from South Korean trading platforms:

https://cryptostreet.co/coinmarketcap-removes-the-south-korean-exchanges-and-provokes-a-sell-off/

And maybe it causes a domino effect and investors started to dump some of their stash. However, when the dust settles and understand what really going on, they will go back to the scene once more pushing the price all over again.

And then there the news coming from China, banning bitcoin mining farms. It's still not clear though, as we all know that there's a lot of contradicting news from the government as far as bitcoin and crypto. We will see how it pans out.

Rather than focusing on the negative aspect, I see this as the perfect opportunity to invest into bitcoin and some other altcoins, considering that their prices will increase in the next 2-3 weeks. Like what you said, the decrease on its price was due to the domino effect caused by bitcoin since almost all of their increase in prices are directly proportional to bitcoin's price.
Nevertheless, this would be the perfect opportunity to risk and to explore other altcoins like ripple due to its potential in the future. Lastly about China's banning of miners, this may be a double-edged sword in the price depending on the extent of damage done.
5337  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am new to Bitcoin, how can I get started? on: January 08, 2018, 02:06:56 PM
Hey, as you know already from the title, I'm new to Bitcoin, I would like you to help me by telling, where to buy, when to buy, where to sell, when to sell, things like that.
Important: I'm 17 years old, some methods may not work if I don't have 18, and that's what I have noticed.
I hope you can help me get started.  Wink

Edit: Thank you guys, your information is helping a lot, I already have a wallet, feel free to help me Smiley 1KnWzEdJgAmE3rB3Xax8sDfydnikguxrhh

First of all, welcome to the world of cryptocurrency! Just to give you a quick background, investing into bitcoin or altcoins may potentially yield you large amounts of profits compared to any other investments in the world. But in order to achieve that ideal situation of being rich, you must be knowledgeable about the basic economic factors and you must also be updated in the news relevant to bitcoin that may help you in buying or selling it.

There are a lot of methods for an individual to earn bitcoin. Below are some of the methods that I think that are suitable for your current state:

  • Participating into campaign signatures by creating meaningful threads and comments that will support the forum for newbies just like you;
  • Buying and investing into bitcoin, either for short or long-term goals;
  • Trading into different coins for profit;
  • Gambling your bitcoins (but this requires a capital and is very risky in its nature); and
  • By doing services around the marketplace (this requires technical skills depending on your client)

Due to bitcoin's volatile nature, it may be difficult for one to predict its final price in the market. By this reason, the price of bitcoin tomorrow might be higher compared than today and that is why the ideal time to invest is always TODAY. I highly suggest that you rank-up your account for you to be eligible to join campaign signatures as I consider it as a reliable method of earning alternative income, considering that you are a student.

*Edit: Just a quick note, people around the forum worked hard to earn their bitcoins. Posting your wallet address and expecting someone to help you by sending you coins may be a bold move and it may be very unlikely for someone to give you help, especially that you are still a newbie. Build your way through and start from scratch like most of us here. Good luck!
5338  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Will Bitcoin transations be taxed in all countries in the future? on: January 08, 2018, 01:19:00 PM
It is said that Bitcoin should be regulated and even taxed, according to a European Central Bank (ECB) governing council member.

Will Bitcoin transactions be taxed in all countries in the future?



It highly depends on the country that you are staying together with its implemented laws about taxes. From what I know in the Philippines, mining bitcoin is categorized under our current laws as 'other income' thus making it taxable by the government. But if you earn bitcoin primarily from investments, trading, gambling, or even payments at campaign signatures, I do not think that the government has control over it. Due to bitcoin's decentralized nature, it may be very difficult for them to regulate these transactions especially with anonymity being a factor.
But who knows maybe in the future, they might produce a device that may track-down transactions per individual making those taxable.
5339  Economy / Economics / Re: What you think about bitcoin and other cryptos in 2018 on: January 08, 2018, 09:03:28 AM
I am thinking positive towards bitcoin and other alternate coins' market price run. As what many have expected about bitcoin's price to reach a new high, so as alt coins on the top list too. Or maybe some hidden gems will just come out of nowhere and will surpass some currencies that are already on the top.

So whatever coins i have now, i'll just HODL it and should never get too excited and sell it right away when the price gets high.

We are on the same boat.
The year 2017 was the highlight of the cryptocurrency world due to the fact that most of them got exposure through the media because of the hyped given to bitcoin. When people realized its potential of earning income faster and shorter compared to other types of investments, they bought large amounts of bitcoins/altcoins catching the attention of large trading companies and investors while increasing the price in the market.

Like what I mentioned before, the price of bitcoins last January 2017 were only around less than $1,000 and today it skyrocketed up to $15,000-$16,000. Not to mention, altcoins like ethereum, ripple, neo, etc. entered the spotlight due to their increase in prices as well. Just hold your investments as of now and let time do its magic.
5340  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A well-known investor believes that Bitcoin will go up on: January 08, 2018, 05:35:04 AM
A well-known investor believes that Bitcoin will go up

Investor Peter Thiel has put all his money on Bitcoin
The main financial press reports that its venture capital fund was purchased and owned a digital asset by increasing its profit by a thousand percent last year, which made the decentralized currency one of the company's most valuable investments

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Funny how these rich people still strive to be richer. Though it's a very risky gamble, it has some decent facts to back it up. And i don't believe he's putting everything on btc as well. People as rich as him know all too well that every gamble needs to have a back up in case something goes wrong

I mean who does not want to be richer? Assuming that the news is true and legit, this is definitely an opportunity that I do not want to be missing in investing. When big and famous investors enter the world of cryptocurrency, this increases the reputation in the media and slowly eliminates the stigma of bitcoin being a bubble soon to pop. Another thing, rich people tend to gamble more since they have the means of providing themselves capital.
I do not believe that he will invest everything on one (1) go and he needs to diversify his investments into different altcoins or other types of investments to reduce the risk of losing everything.
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