Obwohl der Classic-Chain mit nahezu 100%iger Wahrscheinlichkeit in der Versenkung verschwinden wird, da von den Core-Entwicklern nicht supported, liegt das ETC/BTC 24h Volumen auf Polo bei nahezu 10Mio$. Wer zur Hölle kauft das Zeug?  Als Bitcoiner möchte ich behaupten jeder Ethereum User. Wenn man an Ethereum 'glaubt' kann man auch an ETC 'glauben'. Für mich absolut keine Überraschung. hat dich nie ein altcoin interessiert ? |
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auch wenn es offtopic ist: was ist mit poloniex? verstehe nicht was die damit zu tun haben...
so wie ich es verstanden habe, erleichtern die durch einzahlung auf ihrer börse, dem einzelnen besitzer, die alten coin einmal in die neue chain rüberzusplitten, und gleichzeitig in der originalen chain zu belassen. so wie ich es mal gelernt habe können alte coin immer in neue tranferiert werden, denn aber niemals zurück. Aber technisch ist es möglich die alten trotsdem in der alten chain zu behalten. um es besser zu verstehen, kannst du mir da noch was erklären. was gilt im falle Ether als alt und was als neu? Eth ist ja der coin nach dem HF also auf der neuen chain? oder wie wird neu und alt hier definiert ? ich war nicht da, bin wieder zurück. Also "eigentlich" bleibt die alte Chain die alte. Die ist ja da. Und nicht auf einmal weg. Und die hat auch den Namen ETH. Punkt. Und eine abgespaltene (Hardfork) ist die Neue. Die ist denn definitiv nicht ETH. Weil ETH ja die alte ist. Jetzt wirst du dich wundern, was schreibt denn der da! Warum nennen alle die Neue auch ETH? Tja, sie machen es einfach. Warum sagen die, der alte Coin auf der alten Chain heist jetzt ETH-Classic oder ETC? Tja, sie machen es einfach. Soweit die Theorie. Da bin ich mir sicher. Einspruch immer Willkommen. In der Praxis unterscheiden die ?Nodes, Clienten Schürfsoftware? ob der jeweilige coin in ihrer chain war und ob die Transaktion bestätigt wird/dazugehört. Der Name ist ja unerheblich. Dazu müsste einer von den Technikern was sagen. gut dann habe ich da schon mal nicht so falsch gelegen. und warum die diese rhetorik benutzen nun ich denke so wird meinung gebildet und von tatsachen abgelenkt. sah man schön bei der rhetorik um den dao, hacker attacker, thief, usw. |
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vielen dank euch allen
ich denke ich versteh nun
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Obwohl der Classic-Chain mit nahezu 100%iger Wahrscheinlichkeit in der Versenkung verschwinden wird, da von den Core-Entwicklern nicht supported, liegt das ETC/BTC 24h Volumen auf Polo bei nahezu 10Mio$. Wer zur Hölle kauft das Zeug? der hier behauptet ein ether entwickler zu sein und supported etc https://twitter.com/MrChrisEllis/status/757293299426271232 |
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also nochmal ganz höflich gebeten kann mir jemand erklären wo mein fehler in der interpretation liegt oder gibts einen link ders erklärt danke schon mal
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hoffentlich kommen jetzt auch die allerletzten Bitcoin HF prediger zur einsicht, dass so was schwer nach hinten losgehen kann.
Es ist allen klar, dass beide Blockchains nach einem Fork genutzt werden, wenn es für beide Blockchains eine Daseinsberechtigung gibt. Und sei die Daseinsberechtigung auch nur, um als Demonstration des eigenen Standpunkts zu dienen. Aber wie willst du verhindern, dass Forks passieren? . . im falle von ether, haben die die bis zum fork ether hatten nun genau so viele etherclassic auf der zeitwen chain .ich dachte immer bei einem hardfork muss man sich ab dem fork entscheiden weilche man nimmt rechts oder links und sobald sich eine als stärker also mit mehr usern erweist wird die zweite aussterben. abermankann nicht auf jeder einen coin haben und auf beiden sein.wundersame vermehrung von coins? du bist jetzt seit über drei jahren mitglied dieser community und verstehst immer noch nicht die basics der zugrundeliegenden technik?? ja genau anscheinend habe ich da ein manko das ich sehr gerne füllen würde . |
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hoffentlich kommen jetzt auch die allerletzten Bitcoin HF prediger zur einsicht, dass so was schwer nach hinten losgehen kann.
Es ist allen klar, dass beide Blockchains nach einem Fork genutzt werden, wenn es für beide Blockchains eine Daseinsberechtigung gibt. Und sei die Daseinsberechtigung auch nur, um als Demonstration des eigenen Standpunkts zu dienen. Aber wie willst du verhindern, dass Forks passieren? . . im falle von ether, haben die die bis zum fork ether hatten nun genau so viele etherclassic auf der zeitwen chain .ich dachte immer bei einem hardfork muss man sich ab dem fork entscheiden weilche man nimmt rechts oder links und sobald sich eine als stärker also mit mehr usern erweist wird die zweite aussterben. abermankann nicht auf jeder einen coin haben und auf beiden sein.wundersame vermehrung von coins? |
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what is going on. as i understand it. and i am really not fit in the technical terms.
is it right with the decition to do the HF the devs and miners opened the door for the situation now. a chain that is splited in 2 at the moment. a smooth HF would have ended in one of the chains dieing real fast. but it didnt
and now there are 2 lines ? the comunity is asked to choose one with there money. the community that didnt have to do anything with the dao? but the dao guys are save now ?
am i right so far ? if not pls coccect me. its just a puting together of infos i got so far .....
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auch wenn es offtopic ist: was ist mit poloniex? verstehe nicht was die damit zu tun haben...
so wie ich es verstanden habe, erleichtern die durch einzahlung auf ihrer börse, dem einzelnen besitzer, die alten coin einmal in die neue chain rüberzusplitten, und gleichzeitig in der originalen chain zu belassen. so wie ich es mal gelernt habe können alte coin immer in neue tranferiert werden, denn aber niemals zurück. Aber technisch ist es möglich die alten trotsdem in der alten chain zu behalten. um es besser zu verstehen, kannst du mir da noch was erklären. was gilt im falle Ether als alt und was als neu? Eth ist ja der coin nach dem HF also auf der neuen chain? oder wie wird neu und alt hier definiert ? |
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Can someone give the ELI5 on why the forkers seem to be butthurt about ETC? Isn't that the whole idea of the fork? Two chains and all.
Because ETC is not legit. For me what ethc will be a good gauge of, is who in the community supports theft! If etc gains traction then the majority of crypto space are either traders which isn't any good as we won't see consistent development as the coin can be dumped to shit by tomorrow. Or they are mostly scammers and that is disheartening to say the least. I could easily dump the 1k ether I had prior to fork but I feel it's just wrong. And the more and more this happens this becomes about just making a quick buck instead of the "crypto revolution". The more time passes the more this whole thing looks like joke to me. Starting to dump my hw on eBay. Time to look for a new hobby. This is becoming a scammers paradise run by those that are supposedly trustworthy. What a fucking joke seriously bitpop you lost all credibility where with me you would have to earn in the first place and this isn't the correct fork to take to do that  . Good luck with scam ethc. Bad enough we had to fork to keep the fucking theives at bay. Then we have the likes of ethc. What a joke! o my god, how often does one have to tell . the ETC does not support the thief . ETC suports the international law that says lynchjustic is a crime . selfjustic is not alowed. the thief shall be punished by the law and not the crime is erased by the devs couse investors dont wanted to hassle of an investigation. So if someone is in your garage stealing your car you're going to open the garage door for them because "[sic]selfjustic is not alowed". If you believe in what you say you should call the proper authorities and let them handle it. Creating an alt is not a solution. One solution is to take it back. There are plenty of instances of self justice that are allowed. If you lose a bike and you find it 6 months later you can just take it back (I'd advice you to notify the police of when and where you took it, though). But this is not "[sic]lynchjustic", nor is taking back blockchain tokens. no you misinterpret what you call a allowed selfjustic. in the case you find your stolen bike . you are only alowed to keep a hold on it not take it in posetion and walk awy. all you can do it put a lock on it ride it to the cops and then claim it as yours . where you have to prove without doubt that is is yours , for example with a picture that shows you on it and so on. at least in a civilisation its handled like that The police giving me my car back would be the eq of a hard fork  Justice ftw o m g and again no gosh do i have to teach you the basics a fair justice?! the victim cant be teh judge or the cop. judge and execution has to be independen. other wise it is a interest conflict in justic there is no shortcut put the facts on the table and have a judge rule. otherwise its lynchmop. or are you one that shots first and asks question later. ups the guy is dead but i thougth.... uhhh god beware us if people with such a mind set get in power over us. |
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Can someone give the ELI5 on why the forkers seem to be butthurt about ETC? Isn't that the whole idea of the fork? Two chains and all.
Because ETC is not legit. For me what ethc will be a good gauge of, is who in the community supports theft! If etc gains traction then the majority of crypto space are either traders which isn't any good as we won't see consistent development as the coin can be dumped to shit by tomorrow. Or they are mostly scammers and that is disheartening to say the least. I could easily dump the 1k ether I had prior to fork but I feel it's just wrong. And the more and more this happens this becomes about just making a quick buck instead of the "crypto revolution". The more time passes the more this whole thing looks like joke to me. Starting to dump my hw on eBay. Time to look for a new hobby. This is becoming a scammers paradise run by those that are supposedly trustworthy. What a fucking joke seriously bitpop you lost all credibility where with me you would have to earn in the first place and this isn't the correct fork to take to do that . Good luck with scam ethc. Bad enough we had to fork to keep the fucking theives at bay. Then we have the likes of ethc. What a joke! o my god, how often does one have to tell . the ETC does not support the thief . ETC suports the international law that says lynchjustic is a crime . selfjustic is not alowed. the thief shall be punished by the law and not the crime is erased by the devs couse investors dont wanted to hassle of an investigation. So if someone is in your garage stealing your car you're going to open the garage door for them because "[sic]selfjustic is not alowed". If you believe in what you say you should call the proper authorities and let them handle it. Creating an alt is not a solution. One solution is to take it back. There are plenty of instances of self justice that are allowed. If you lose a bike and you find it 6 months later you can just take it back (I'd advice you to notify the police of when and where you took it, though). But this is not "[sic]lynchjustic", nor is taking back blockchain tokens. no you misinterpret what you call a allowed selfjustic. in the case you find your stolen bike . you are only alowed to keep a hold on it not take it in posetion and walk awy. all you can do it put a lock on it ride it to the cops and then claim it as yours . where you have to prove without doubt that is is yours , for example with a picture that shows you on it and so on. at least in a civilisation its handled like that |
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Yes but this thread is about the immutable chain which is ETC
Is this the kind of stupid you expect to build your community on? You might disagree with Vitalik about the way forward, but anyone with half a brain knows who made this thread and what it's for. Vitaliks team wanted to take Ethereum in a different direction than you. They got the miners, users and exchanges to follow them. So you created an alt. And you have accepted this. You don't call it Ethereum. You call it Ethereum Classic. All the exchanges use the abbreviation ETC for this new alt. Eth from the original Ethereum team is still listed as ETH. Unless ETC is just a project meant to troll Ethereum I suggest that you clean up these distinctions so that users can make an informed decision between Ethereum and your Ethereum Alt. Like Expanse, Lisk and others have done. Btw, why not sell your eth, move to Expanse or Lisk and boost those projects? At least they have a clear profile, active devs and some USPs. are you vitaliks spokesman? his pulic voice? did he entitle you to speak for him? i didnt find anything on his page about you ......if what you said here is his opinion.... go back to him and let him give you an autorisation to speak for him if not please stop posting in his name |
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Can someone give the ELI5 on why the forkers seem to be butthurt about ETC? Isn't that the whole idea of the fork? Two chains and all.
Because ETC is not legit. For me what ethc will be a good gauge of, is who in the community supports theft! If etc gains traction then the majority of crypto space are either traders which isn't any good as we won't see consistent development as the coin can be dumped to shit by tomorrow. Or they are mostly scammers and that is disheartening to say the least. I could easily dump the 1k ether I had prior to fork but I feel it's just wrong. And the more and more this happens this becomes about just making a quick buck instead of the "crypto revolution". The more time passes the more this whole thing looks like joke to me. Starting to dump my hw on eBay. Time to look for a new hobby. This is becoming a scammers paradise run by those that are supposedly trustworthy. What a fucking joke seriously bitpop you lost all credibility where with me you would have to earn in the first place and this isn't the correct fork to take to do that . Good luck with scam ethc. Bad enough we had to fork to keep the fucking theives at bay. Then we have the likes of ethc. What a joke! o my god, how often does one have to tell . the ETC does not support the thief . ETC suports the international law that says lynchjustic is a crime . selfjustic is not alowed. the thief shall be punished by the law and not the crime is erased by the devs couse investors dont wanted to hassle of an investigation. |
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I think i'll just leave this here ...  Voorhees is a sociopath I'd expect a scumbag move like this from him, it's Polo and Kraken that have me concerned. Polo wanted to taste what its like to be Yobit. U know.. "screw the users" (Its hilarious that ETC thread by @bitpop is the most heavy modded and deleted and censored thread on the forum now. OH THE IRONY) again wishful thinking of you isnt etc gets more and more suport |
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would you explain waht this charts mean? i am not that fit in such things and otheres maybe too . would be nice of you |
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I got a reply from Tayvano @ MyEtherWallet. Unlike Shapeshift and Poloniex and nanopool, "We are not supporting eth classic" not even a regards... I don't understand why people have such blinkered view and abandon etiquette when the world refuses to be the way they want it to be. Looking forward to Claymore dual miner ETC and ETH ETC hashrate still climbing though thank you for the info yes i am sure there will be options to mine and a wallet |
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keep deleting etc holders posts,lol i dont know why your trying to delete the fact that etc will need to FORK for dapps to work and prob die when Metropolis comes out. As a major etc holder im sure i can ask if you plan on forking before the dao hacker receives his coins or after  bitpoops self mod forum is the best place for etc...wtf is that the best you guys can do ?? the original devs say they will suport both chains so what makes you think metropolis will suport your side only ? wishful thinking ? https://twitter.com/MrChrisEllis/status/757293299426271232Yer,.. well Chris Ellis, i didn't know he was involved in ethereum. He is a good bloke, i seen him on the Keiser Report and in the Feathercoin Videos too. He does what is right and stands by it. He done loads of work in Africa too. Didn't he do work on StartCoin/StartJoin? If only i had a classic wallet, i would switch my hashpower in an instant. EDIT: Chris Ellis.... Quote: "I hope to make the world better than I found it". i wait for that too. and a bunch of friends of mine too. if anyone has instructions : a etherclassic wallet and how to suport with mining , id apriciate it |
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Thinking about polos decision to list etc...at first glance it seems great for etc, as it gives it immediate legitimacy. But I actually think it may be bad for etc, as all that free supply of etc will probably just be dumped ..driving down the price. (tendency is always to sell the free shit). There is a lot of prefork eth out there. Then where is incentive for miners to continue chain?
it will be intersting to see what remains after the dust has setled. |
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Sorry für offtopic aber dennoch sehr spanned zu verfolgen finde ich.
ETC neben Poloniex sehr bald auch auf BitFinex zu traden.
F2Pool wird ebenfalls diese chain minen wie es aussieht.
Könnte also tatsächlich auf 2 coins hinauslaufen auf lange Sicht.
solange coin A nur alle entwicklungen von B kopiert da sie kein auch nur annähernd gleichwertiges entwicklerteam haben dürfte die marketcap immer eher im marginalen bereich liegen. momentan wissen ca 90% aller ETH-holder gar nicht wie sie ihre ETHC sicher zu polo bringen können, sobald dich das mal erledigt kommt verkaufsdruck auf. aber ETHC wird bleiben das ist mal klar, auch wenn mit einer kleineren marketcap... So gehts mit dem ETC dumpen: https://steemit.com/trading/@volka/easy-money-for-ethereum-holders-moneybagdas ist eine anleitung um genau das gleiche wie der so genannte attacker zu machen. oder findet jemand das ethisch ok wenn man einfach seine neuen und alten ether behält und zu geld macht. entweder oder ?!?!!!! |
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keep deleting etc holders posts,lol i dont know why your trying to delete the fact that etc will need to FORK for dapps to work and prob die when Metropolis comes out. As a major etc holder im sure i can ask if you plan on forking before the dao hacker receives his coins or after bitpoops self mod forum is the best place for etc...wtf is that the best you guys can do ?? the original devs say they will suport both chains so what makes you think metropolis will suport your side only ? wishful thinking ? https://twitter.com/MrChrisEllis/status/757293299426271232 |
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