Comparing COVID19 to the flu is not fair to those dying of the flu.

You can only be responsible on an individual basis. If you punch someone and that makes them mad, then they go punch someone else...the second victim cannot seek damages from you.

What is required is that the victim can prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the infector infected them.

Sure, not something you can really do with today's technology. But with enough time and technology it would be possible. Perhaps a blood monitoring technology that can detect the specific time in which you were infected. Combine that with some app on your phone/recording glasses that records who you were in contact with at the time. This gives a likely source. It may also record things you touch, etc. If you're in a store and you determine that you caught it at that store due to poor hygiene you can bring charges against the store. The store could then also record people entering and touching those same places and locate the source.

If we reached such technology we could eradicate almost any disease. You would likely immediately know about any disease you have and you would immediately self quarantine to ensure that you do not spread the virus so that you are not held liable.

In Iceland they had a private court system. Killing someone unintentionally had a set price you had to pay to the victim's family. Or the victim's family was able to set the punishment. For murder it sometimes meant becoming an "outlaw" which meant you were no longer under protection of the law, including if someone murdered you. Also anyone who helped you was considered an outlaw as well (even going to buy food at the store).

People who could not pay their debts to the victim were indeed required to work off their debt. In a technology future you could just set a smart contract to send X amount of funds to the victim for every receipt of payment (this would be done voluntarily by the accused to stay within the community) until the debt is paid off.


By the government taking over the responsibility of individuals, there is no motivation to move toward holding people responsible for their own actions. And people who are not harming anyone are being punished for no reason at all.

I agree.

Just like sources of pollution used to be tracked and the polluters sued. An industry of pollution detectives were just starting to spring up when the industrial age was just beginning. Fearing a total shutdown of the economy corporations worked with the government to create the EPA which protected the polluters in exchange for some superficial regulations and payoffs.

If we could track the spread of diseases and hold those people responsible accountable we could stop disease.

I mean...we know the 4 or so people that brought it to the US right? So they say. Start with them.

"the Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis"

Some state and local legislators are about to get served.

I hope the legislators start becoming more afraid of the people than the virus.

Their echo chamber just got shattered.

I haven't watched the show yet but I lived in that part of Florida. I remember the Tiger reserve (passed it on the way to work).

Having lived there...ya...nothing would surprise me about the people there. I think it is partly yankee rejects from New Jersey (and Michigan) coming down thinking they're smarter than the locals, partly the prevalence of oxy prescription mills, partly people thinking "spring break was so fun, I should move here!" and then they actually do...then have no idea what to do after that.

I got out alive...

This may be part of why the price shot up.

Lebanon banks literally on fire.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/04/banks-targeted-lebanon-night-molotov-200429060510405.html

Maybe we can go full decentralization akin to Uber or AirBnB.

Have trained security or bodyguards register on a site then get paid for their security services akin to ordering an Uber. Bring in security for an event, hire a guard for a localbitcoins trade, get them to your house in an emergency, etc.

On call, peer to peer police service. No overhead, money goes directly to the security (even better than Uber...blockchain based).

I would encourage for all of the female accounts.

Though yes, that would also likely qualify them as dumb.

This unstable world is demonstrating that we need it now more than ever.

Before all but 500 million of us are depopulated.

I have friends asking how to convert money from their IRA to bitcoin.

Is this possible yet?

The odds of this are very likely. So likely in fact that I am willing to part with a few bitcoins for 1/10th of the amount.

Offer ends soon.

So...the first price doubling has happened...

If you love your current government that's great. If you think you can just get rid of government, that's not going to happen. But if you create an alternative option...then you're on the right track.

Bitcoin is not about ending the Fed. It is about replacing the Fed.

We need this for every implementation of government. Starting at the bottom should be the easiest.

I think this scene sums up the reaction of the media and governments to the data coming out that COVID-19 is not as deadly as first projected.
"How can you be so obtuse? Is it deliberate?"

Government: "Solitary! A month!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7wREOySaxU

Damn...Kim Jung Un dies just as the world turns into North Korea.

Maybe he died happy knowing that we are all North Koreans now.

True...but government tends to centralize when getting control. If the local governments benefit from a cheaper and almost free option for some of their services then more money can be directed to their tithing toward their kings or dictators to get in favor of their masters.

And as decentralization makes everything more and more efficient, we'll just have one single dictator at the center who will eventually become irrelevant.

They slice away our freedoms bit by bit. We need to decentralize governance bit by bit.

I met Dale Brown who runs Detroit's Threat Management Center. His company is a great example of taking control where the public police have failed (inner Detroit).

The mayor is required to support the local police over his service but has begrudgingly acknowledged that crime in the district where his team works has fallen significantly since he began.

But they do work in parallel with the local police. He told me the police are just fine with his company being involved. They're fine with it because they're not looking to get shot in the line of duty so if Dale's company gets to the scene first and can calm things down before they get there...all the better.

He collects a fee, gives out a phone number to call (after you've called 911). They're usually there before the police. The fee is higher for businesses, and the businesses are willing to pay it to keep their community low on crime. The poorer areas can pay a much smaller fee (or free) as this helps to lower crime in the area.

Where I live in Panama there is very little police protection. It's pretty much up to each home owner to protect themselves. This is difficult as guns are mostly illegal. This results in a lot of high fences, bars on the windows, dogs everywhere...solely used for guarding the home (not as pets). The local marina pays for security so it's not like this is a new concept. Just expanded a bit.

This government power grab that we are experiencing is the worst parts of Communist China spreading throughout the world like a...virus.

One silver lining in all of this is that people are at home, not making any money, no income, no money for governments. Hopefully this means the crumbling of governments along with the crumbling of the economy.

So instead of complaining or whining about government, it is necessary to provide an alternative solution that is better.

Sure, plenty of people will come to this threat propping up their shitcoin "my coin that I invested in and want to get rich off of allows for governance and voting, so you should buy some so I can sell it and buy a lambo with fiat!".

But we need an innovative decentralized blockchain solution for local governments that local governments would want to adopt or find it necessary to adopt as they begin struggling with revenue.

It could certainly start small. The most basic function of government is protection of life and property. This could be done with an opt-in "insurance" that you pay which adds you to a list of people that are protected. The protection company would consist of two different companies.

The first company is threat management such as the private company Threat Management Center. This company already exists in Detroit. They are paid by businesses and wealthy people which subsidize lower income families in the same area (the idea being that if crime is kept down overall, then the businesses and wealthy benefit from a crime free area...criminals are discouraged from moving into the area).
Detroit's Threat Management Center sends someone out to do exactly as advertised...manage threats. If there is an immediate concern they are called to the scene. They usually arrive before the police and de-escalate  the situation. They show up to stop a husband beating his wife, someone breaking into the property, a fight, etc. That's all they need to do. Just manage the threat and make sure things have stopped.

The second company would be private detectives. They are the ones that gather evidence, find proof of the crime, find out whom did what to whom. They gather the evidence for the victim.

Both companies could certainly exist under current law, there is no interference with current police forces but they could certainly exist without it. Communities would feel safe and threats to life and property would be managed.

There could then be similar decentralized versions of jury trials (augur prediction market, private arbitration, etc.). Jails could either fall under the current structure or some system of compensation for the victims via contract could be put into place (which is still under the current system). If people contractually agree to follow the decentralized rules then those that violate those rules could be put into jail under this same system while still being under current laws.

There are several options for allowing for management of these companies. Some sort of contractual agreement or services that you pay for (I like Threat management company A so I'll pay them instead of company B who I am no longer satisfied with).

We used to have private detectives, they used to be prevalent. A decentralized way of paying detective insurance, linking the detectives with victims could provide a resurgence.

Of course it would need to be super easy for each person in the community to be involved even if it's Grandma sending a check in the mail to a payment processor that converts things to the tokens used for the system.


Self moderated to keep out the troll.

Moved to moderated topic due to troll.