The first seasteads will be more like individuals building a log cabin in the woods. Then more people also building their cabins in nearby woods. Some deciding to be next to each other, some preferring to be on their own. As it grows bigger there will be those that congregate more in one area while others still choose to be far enough away. There will always be the option to be far enough away. That makes it very difficult for a dictatorship to thrive.
So more like people choosing to move to Alaska to be free. Without the cold but with other challenges.
The mega super structures are a long way from happening and likely slow down seasteading by being the main focus and drain of money that never results in anything being built.
Agree. Organic (and relatively slow at the outset) growth is the only way to establish this sort of global movement. Similar in a way to BTC. Planning and centralisation always put a spanner in the works, and can only have a use in later stages. The thing you are talking about is do-it-yourself. When you do it yourself, you don't need any agreement. But as soon as you hire someone else to do it for you, you need an agreement with them. Consider all over the world where someone hires a contractor to build it for him. There's a contract, a governing piece of paper. If you build your own island yourself, and later get together with other folks to attach your island to theirs, you need an agreement of sorts. The agreement governs the operation. It's a government. Seasteading has an official agreement with French Polynesia, doesn't it? If you join Seasteading, you do so according to the agreement. The agreement governs. The only way there isn't a government is if you do it yourself. Think the government through well before you sign on the line.  A single company creating a single seastead is working on an agreement with French Polynesia. Imagine the first person to come up with the concept of a "house". They go to the chief of the little village and negotiate a location for their new technology of 4 walls and a roof. There is an official agreement in that village for a house that is to be built. It will be amazing. All of your dreams will come true. And then there's another guy thousands of miles away with the same idea. He doesn't even discuss it with his village chief, he just goes into the woods and builds a small house. Or even...has his friends build him a house. In exchange they get some coconuts or some meat from his last catch. Then his friends decide to build houses near his house. No government is needed just because a house is built. Same for seasteading. Just build it and live in it. If you want to interact with your neighbors, interact. If you don't like how your neighbor interacts with you...move your house. It's really that simple. Seasteading creates these images of fantasy land where all of your dreams come true. That's why I won't be talking about the project I'm working on because unless someone sees it in action the concept of seasteading comes with all sorts of baggage. People either believe it solves all problems or creates all problems. They already have an image in their head of what seasteading is. And all of those ideas are different from everyone else's ideas. But their idea is the best...because reasons. |
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It's one of the few places left where you can spend your bitcoins online. Unfortunately. I'm to the point of considering ordering a credit card. My Amex was supposed to be only for emergencies but I've racked up plenty of useless sky miles over the past year with it. Two words: Shift card. More words: spend your Bitcoin at any place that takes Visa. Goal of Bcash shills - attempt to get bitcoiners to spend their bitcoins, and trick BTC hodlers into thinking that they are doing some kind of public service (or at least service to the bitcoin infrastructure) by spending their bitcoins.  Many people realize that spending bitcoin is the same as selling, and frequently for accounting and tax purposes the systems in place, right now, are not very friendly times towards spending BTC - and likely there is a need to replace any spent bitcoins, especially at these prices. By getting into the habit of spending your bitcoins it means you need to hold less fiat. If you're not spending your bitcoins...what do you have that you can spend? |
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The hats will run out of fashion and I'll still won't have understand how did they start!  Did someone started using one as an avatar and people just copy it or does it have a deeper history? No that I can wear one... it took me 10 months to get 84 merits and I'll need another 2 years for the rest 15 now! But I'm still curious. First rule of hat club. Don't quote roach. |
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Subscribing so that on Dec. 14 I can add $1 to the highest bidder.
This is the only thing I learned from Price is Right.
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From my wall observations, looks like they want to push the price down below $3200.
This shit sucks.
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I don't. https://purse.io/investorsEvery penny you spend through the services this fuckface invested in will return us as more bcash paidshills, more scams. Don't support scammers. Vermin is taking your bitcoins and pumping his scam with them. You are basically pumping bcash by using purse.io and any other shit he invested in. It's one of the few places left where you can spend your bitcoins online. Unfortunately. I'm to the point of considering ordering a credit card. My Amex was supposed to be only for emergencies but I've racked up plenty of useless sky miles over the past year with it. At least purse doesn't make you use some obscure wallet to pay for things like BitPay does (while pushing BCH). |
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I don't ever plan on getting married. Nobody is worth half of my bitcoins. |
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I'm prepared to buy all the way down. I will not begin until we reach the next resistance area around $2,700ish.
I did a test buy at $3300 to see if my bank would allow it. Then another slightly larger test as it was coming back up. Will buy more as it bounces around that number. |
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I'm not sure of the clinical diagnosis for depression but...
the price is way too low
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Bitcoin SV has no wallet that compiles on anyone's computer but CSW. |
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My question is, should seasteading set up the ideas behind its governmental structure from the start? In the American colonies, people were used to the idea of living their own ways, freely. Yet they formed colonies for protection and help in projects - corn husking bees, barn building, butcher-baker-candlestick-maker. I would guess that there are many people living out on the ocean in boats, with the idea that they will never go back, as long as the boat holds up. They are doing this privately, or in small groups. Joe Quirk is trying to set up a colony, isn't he? If he weren't, he could simply go live on a boat and develop his own "concrete hulled" island if he wanted. A colony means government. Government means what? Better get this down clear right now, or it will wind up being a dictatorship faster than one might think, right? It will grow slow enough so that the first seasteaders are the ones determining their government. Not some people speculating on the Internet. That will be the early adopter advantage. It may change down the road as more people come but those early pioneers will be shaping the foundation of seasteading governance. With just a handful of people all you need are rules akin to a home owners association. They can then decide how they want things from there. |
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Seems legit. I hope we don't have to wait 7 years though. So how do we disrupt the futures market? |
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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.
Worrying about the sex or color of those creating a new industry seems a bit short sighted. Not to mention racist and sexist. Those creating a new future are not worried whatsoever about such things, only about those that can actually help make it happen. Since you are far closer to the actual seasteading scene than am I, I expect that you would know this far better than I. However, two things: 1. The article basically said that the seasteaders were doing what they were doing to better their lives. At least, that is what I came away with. 2. You know better than most what happens when people form an organization. It is hinted at in the article. What it is, is, somebody tries to innocently take control for his own benefit. The governmental infrastructure of any seasteading organization had better be spelled out clearly from a standpoint of freedom. If it isn't, it will simply become another dictatorship in one way or another. People who get into seasteading are somewhat ignorant of the basic principle of freedom, just like all other people. What is this principle? You are free to do anything you want unless you injure someone else or directly threaten him.Further. A basic, simple history lesson about the USA. Back in the 1700s, the wealthy people in the Colonies were being threatened with taxation by King George and Co. They were not wealthy enough to buy armies, so they had to do something that united the people in the colonies to fight the King. So, they built a potential government that offered the above principle to all people. But to maintain their control, they hid the clear working of it inside Constitution and the Amendments, so that the common people could feel that it was there, but could never use it in a big way to oppose government. Today, we use parts of the above principle through the technical wording of the Constitution/Amendments. But most people are totally brainwashed into thinking that it is the Constitution/Amendments where they get their freedom from. Rather, all the Constitution/Amendments do is point to the place where people really get their freedom from. This is so well hidden in the Constitution/Amendments by the wording (while, also, being right out in the open), that the people fail to see it and use it. This is good because it makes government strong to protect us, but it is bad because it makes government strong to conquer us. In fact, it is because of oppressive government(s) that the idea of seasteading has come into being. People being what they are, the same thing will happen with the government of seasteading, except if the people are really wise in their seasteading governmental structuring. I'm afraid that Joe Quirk doesn't have the proper understanding of this. He is going to turn seasteading into another dictatorship, even if it is only by accident. The way it will be done it will be pretty much impossible to become a dictatorship. That may be the case for some of these mega millions seasteads. At least micro dictatorships. The first seasteads will be more like individuals building a log cabin in the woods. Then more people also building their cabins in nearby woods. Some deciding to be next to each other, some preferring to be on their own. As it grows bigger there will be those that congregate more in one area while others still choose to be far enough away. There will always be the option to be far enough away. That makes it very difficult for a dictatorship to thrive. So more like people choosing to move to Alaska to be free. Without the cold but with other challenges. The mega super structures are a long way from happening and likely slow down seasteading by being the main focus and drain of money that never results in anything being built. |
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When nobody can compile the wallet... I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm sure if you study the protocol updates and implement the changes yourself you could run a node. Or there is likely a way to compile what is on the github page if you can get your environment the exact same way that Craig Wright has his set up so you can compile it. So...definitely possible. |
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The tone of Quirk's book, co-written with Patri Friedman (grandson of Milton Friedman) is in keeping with the imperialist attitudes that have led to so much of the land in the world being colonized by white men who have no claim to it. Indeed, The Seasteading Institute and movement are vastly dominated by men. Those "seavangelizing" appear to be suggesting that now that they have run out of land to colonize, the seas are next.
Worrying about the sex or color of those creating a new industry seems a bit short sighted. Not to mention racist and sexist. Those creating a new future are not worried whatsoever about such things, only about those that can actually help make it happen. |
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A thought experiment
I stay here in Thailand and become a Buddhist monk. Not for any spiritual reason but so that I can eat. Also with no money I would likely not do so well with the ladies...so at least I would have an excuse. |
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