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We're at 420 bitcoins now!
But we need to set a goal.
How many bitcoins this thread should try to raise?
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I want a spare wireless mouse. That should be around 15 BTC.
I also want an arduino or an arduino clone. I imagine that will instantly broke though.
So I should be working on writing code for bitcoins so I can afford such electronics as well buy books to increase my limited electronic project.
My idea is to build robotic mouses. Mouses that you can use for normal input, but can transform into robots.
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Inflation is essentially a process of creating money out of thin air that causes drop of monetary value of money and rise of prices. Bitcoins are not created out of thin air just like gold is not. Is my definition of inflation wrong?
This is called monetary inflation. It doesn't matter if it is created out of thin air or not. |
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If that would be your harm against your benefits, then you are in possession to do whatever you may think is desirable with that situation. But you try to impose your decisions of good and bad on people's minds. May I disagree with you about my benefits? Oh, why not? Sorry, sir. Forgive stupid me, lord. I think, you just taking that situation too externally. Just imagine, someone, with his own notion of public benefits, just decides to use your equipment for, say, bruteforcing some access point to the nuclear power station control system. Just imagine, that such exists and he is sure, that >nuclear< is >evil<, and as you do, he is sure that it is a common sense. Many, many of your beliefs may seem strange to some societies, while you think your opinion is the only right possible, other people have their own minds and there is no main true, no consensus. Diversity is the success of society. Why is 'real' in all caps? You think money is only real if it has magic faces printed on it? If this victim was losing airline miles you would care less?
Real, because he had to work hard to earn that money, not just picked it up in a lottery or stole that from other's pocket. He has spent part of his life for that, which he would spend doing something better, if he could. Real, because that is a life of a real human, that is stolen, not just abstract "computational resources". How often have you worried about botnets in the past? Have you done anything about it?
Often. Ofcourse. Why do you ask? The rules of law is a crucial factor in the creation of a wealthy society. Anything that does not fit shall be terminated with extreme prejudices. If that mean taking out the power of the government so be it. If that mean no tolerance for the idea of democracy, so be it. If "diversity" itself should be terminated, so be it. |
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I would love to buy one but I am bitcoin-poor.
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"Hard money" is a commodity that is 1) durable 2) divisable and 3) difficult to fake and 4) difficult to produce.
So bitcoins are even harder money than gold is. They verify all conditions, and even better than gold. It's harder to fake, will become impossible to produce after reaching the 21 million limit, and it's more divisible. Bitcoins are no more a commodity than US Federal Reserve Notes are, and nor are they backed by any fixed commodity standard. FAIL HARD. Please provide an actual argument beyond your assertion. |
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Any more donations? Anybody want to volunteer as escrow?
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Is it possible to get an address collision?
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Aceat64 is taking the risk of operating a prediction market website while I code it.
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Of course there will be disagreements in the future, but they're not going to be helped by any kind of legal framework. As kiba says, everyone except the lawyers would lose from that.
You mean a statist, inefficent court system with a Byzantine and overly complicated law system. In any case, the bitcoin society is effectively evolving its own common law system and social convention, many of which are enforced on the software level. |
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I'm no expert at "social engineering" but I think this needs to be a priority sooner, rather than later, if the project is ever going to succeed significantly. In the absence of some sort of cryptographic method (voting via CPU power?) which I would love to see, I think there needs to be an official, or even legal, framework about how decisions are going to be made when serious disagreements arise.
I prefer not to sue in an inefficient, unfair, and everyone lose except the lawyers court system. |
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Bitcoins are a commodity by almost any definition.
According to laughing libertarians, they're not. |
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We got a big jump to 90 bitcoins with noagendamarket.  Keep them coming folks. Show your appreciation for EFF for protecting our electronic freedom. |
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I wonder if bitcoin ever got to the stage where the users could hire its own defence force,pay off politicians or fund lobby groups that would protect it and its users from government?I think the initiative to contact the EFF is a good start.Maybe bitcoin could hire marketing and promotional advertising to win the propaganda war before it even starts.....
The key is to embed bitcoins deep into society to the point that there will be huge consequences for authorities for messing with bitcoin. Otherwise, we should raise support from our tribes, which are basically computer programmers. Get the FSF, the EFF, and the rest of hacker charities, as well everyone else and you get a united front for bitcoin. Whenever somebody tries to attack bitcoin legally, the computing world will be up in arms. |
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add me for 10 btc
Thanks for your donations! Everyone, we got 40 bitcoins in total pledge! Keep going! |
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Diablo-D3 won't like this at all. He said gambling will attract the feds.
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We now have 30 bitcoins pledge! Let get the ball rolling!
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Only one other pledge? We can do better than this, people!
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Idea:
Make a mini computer that run pretty much only bitcoin. It will also print out bitcoins whenever it mint a block. Make it steampunk style.
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Let donate to everyone's favorite freedom defender, the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
I pledge 10 bitcoins and will donate as soon as someone act as escrow.
List of pledges:
1. Kiba - 10 btc
2. gridecon - 10 btc
3. dejayl - 10 btc
4. bootfast - 10 btc
5. silverman - 50 btc
6. hugolp - 10 btc
7. biomike - 35 btc
8. ichi - 50 btc 100 btc actually.
9. ledskof - 50 btc
10. Rhorning - 10 btc
11. em3rgentOrdr - 15 btc
12. bitcoindonor - 100 btc
Special conditions:
1. noagendamarket - 50 btc if EFF set up its own bitcoin node for people to pay them.
2. dejayl - 90 btc if EFF set up a bitcoin donation button.
3. Fairchild - 50 btc if EFF mentions bitcoin
4. gridecon - 50 btc if noagendamarket is satisifed, and 90 btc if there is a bitcoin donation button.
5. semyazza - 200 btc if gridecon is satisfied.
Additional donation:
1. noagendamarket - 100 btc
2. guybrush - 10 btc
Total pledged: 800 BTC
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