Unknown, but seems likely since the POW algo had to change to achieve the transaction speeds our wily ol' Cap'n is claiming. That said, I imagine it is tough to give up the apparent affirmation of >1GH/s on your network, but it really would be for the best long term. I am ready to switch my pokey little 4x RX 560 rig back to DERO as soon as the ASICs get booted off, but right now it would be supremely stupid for me to attempt to mine it (I wouldn't even earn 1 DERO per month...).

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I, too, have been wondering where our most obtuse of bloviators has gone? Did he reach the end of his thesaurus or was he banned or what?

No GUI wallet for DERO. It's kind of incredible that someone would buy an ASIC and not know how to set up a CLI wallet... You didn't do much research before you bought that thing, did you?

The way I currently understand things (by no means complete or authoritative!) is that there is a bit of a balancing act between share difficulty, ping time and block luck.

Not to state the obvious, but the lower the share difficulty the smaller a contribution each share makes to solving a block and absent any other factors, 100 shares at 100 difficulty is the same as 10 shares at 1000 difficulty or 1 share at 10000 difficulty. Obviously, lower difficulty shares take less time to solve on average - solving cryptographic puzzles is a statistical event, after all. I suspect this is well understood by most here.

However, the amount of time it takes to get work from the pool and send the solution (ie - share) back - usually just called "ping time" - starts to dominate the time it takes to generate each share as share difficulty goes lower. For example, if the ping time is 100ms and it takes 100ms to generate each share then your miner is sitting idle for 50% of the time, basically. This is perhaps not as well appreciated - it certainly wasn't by me for the first few months I was mining.

Finally, setting share difficulty too high can also result in a decline in net earnings if it takes longer to generate a share before the block is solved by the other miners. Something else which is perhaps not as widely or deeply appreciated, but I learned this the hard way with several cryptonight coins which all used the same broken vardiff algo that would ramp share difficulty up so high it would take my Ryzen 5 1600 15+ minutes to find a single share. I kept getting rejected shares and my earnings would hover around 50% of predicted. So now I will only mine CN (forks) if static difficulty is supported; other algos like, say, Equihash and Ethash, don't seem to suffer such wild swings in vardiff.

tl;dr - set static difficulty to get a share every 2 seconds to 2 minutes for best results.

Yeah, I also think SSL encryption is the most noteworthy achievement, and it is difficult to believe it hadn't been done yet. You also make an interesting point about smart contracts being used to make scammy ICOs on ETH being it's real problem. I suspect the rapid increase in regulatory scrutiny on ICOs (at least in the US) will curb those abuses, which might make it safer for the second generation of smart contract platforms to launch*. Or it could be a total train wreck... That's crypto for you.


* - the old saw, "you can always tell the pioneers: they are the ones face down in the mud with arrows in their backs," seems to apply here.

Generally speaking, it is better to drop the intensity value for each thread for heavy rather than go back to 1 thread per GPU (as you've already tried). I use a binary search method to find optimal values in the shortest time. For example, if intensity ranges from 0 - 1024 I will try 512 first and if the card hashes I try 768 next; if it crashes I try 384 next; etc and so on.

I am running a modified BIOS on the cards - a "Powersave ROM" from Anorak specific to my card brand/model - and custom voltage profiles. Max core clock is 1200MHz at 1025mV and max mem clock is 1900MHz at 1000mV. These values almost certainly won't help you, but I will say that OverDrivenTool is far better at this sort of thing with AMD cards than MSI AfterBurner, and pretty much the only option if you have 4 or more cards (MSI AB breaks if more than 3 cards are present).

Yep, that's my feeling on the matter as well - why in the world would you get an SSL certificate for a private/in-house testnet?!?

Interesting explanation, and not something I've heard before. I'm not saying I disagree with it - because I don't really know, frankly - but when Monero forked there was a sudden - near vertical - drop in hashrate; difficulty, however, took another day or so to adjust downward.

To be fair, I predicted that a bit over 50% of ETN's hashrate would go to DERO once it forked, and around 20% would go to BCN. Using the same 3 hour average of the stats from CryptUnit (https://www.cryptunit.com/?order=price3h) it looks like DERO is running at just over 1000MH/s, so around 500MH/s added; BCN is at 325MH/s, so it nearly doubled - 155MH/s added; KRB only increased to 89MH/s; AEON and BSM are essentially the same; BKC also doubled - now at 4.7MH/s.

This doesn't come anywhere close to 1900MH/s, so it seems there's a lot of hashrate that is missing. I guess some ASIC owners have switched them off while others might have failed to notice that ETN forked (CryptUnit is reporting some 2973MH/s on the ETN network, but it was reporting a similar number this morning and the fork had already gone through).

Basically, any coin a CN ASIC is mining right now will need to moon hard to pay off these boat anchors / door stoppers. That may very well happen with DERO, but both ETN and BCN seem to have relatively poor prospects to me.

That's the current version block explorer; our resident skeptic was asking about the block explorer for the Atlantis testnet. Clearly, said skeptic has never been involved with designing/building something from scratch, because things often look very different during development/construction than when finished.

Personally, I am cautiously optimistic that Atlantis is going to be all that and a bag of chips. But, we shall see... Wily ol' Cap'n Dero sure likes to play his cards close to his chest.

Some things never change... I'll just quote myself from exactly 4 months ago today:


And FWIW, my measly 1203 TZC (mined when it was a *lot* higher in price) have yet to earn a single block from staking, though @statt did warn it might take 6 months. I might give it one more month, then I'm going to call this experiment with staking an interesting learning experience, but ultimately not worth it.

The 3 hour average hashrate on ETN is now 2967MH/s, and DERO is up to 1260MH/s... Has the ETN fork gone through? I don't follow it, but IIRC it was supposed to happen on May 30th.

No, I meant that I use my 2GB (16CU) RX 560s for both Ethash and CN, but for Ethash I am restricted to MUSIC or UBQ because the DAG files still fit into 2GB. Right now they are mining MUSIC and doing 14.3MH/s per card, which is a little over half what a 4GB RX 570 will do, but at much less than half the price (at least that was the case when I bought them back in Dec/Jan).

As for the CN forks, I use xmr-stak 2.4.2 because it performs the best so far and is very stable. It does not perform well "out of the box," so to speak - the config files it generates (amd.txt and cpu.txt) need to be heavily modified. My amd.txt file modified for just 2 cards is shown below. If you have more than 2 cards then increment the index parameter for each additional card but copy everything else (assuming they are identical cards) and put those lines before the ], at the bottom.


I get about 495H/s per card with this congfiguration in CN-v7; I have not tried the other forks because I am not interested in any of the coins that use them.

I still mine Ethash and CryptoNight forks with my 2GB RX 560s - right now they are on MUSIC (Ethash) - but for CN-forks I use xmr-stak (thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3264773.0). Other people have reported good results with SRBMiner (thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3167363.0) but I haven't tried it myself, mainly because it took quite a lot of tweaking to dial in xmr-stak so I am loathe to abandon all that time and effort... 

I checked the first and last couple of pages of that ANN thread and learned that there is only one dev; the wallet does not require you to type your password twice to make sure it matches; a user lost 10.5k B2B coins because of that; the dev was very condescending when said user pointed out that password verification has been on the to-do list for 3 months now.

In short, B2B looks like just another shitcoin run by a kid out of his college dorm room.

Welp, I've been mining for just about 2 days at 450H/s and haven't found a block yet. While I realize that luck plays a huge role here, I also think that if your hashrate vs. that of the network only leads to 1 block per day on average then solo mining is too difficult. I might give it one more day then this CPU is going back to mining ITNS.

EDIT - I just checked the dashboard and it looks like a block hasn't been found in over an hour and the estimator/hashrate reporting is broken. So, stopping mining completely until it gets sorted out.

EDIT 2 - oops, that is the testnet that hasn't found a block in 1.5 hours. Still, no hashrate or estimates available for the mainnet.

It's no news flash that shit made in China is mostly shit. It's also no news flash that the "warranty" provided by ASIC miner manufacturers isn't worth the paper it's printed on. If you are surprised that your POS ASIC stopped working after you attempted to flash a new bitstream onto it then you obviously haven't been paying attention and/or bought the ASIC without doing a lick of research. Ergo, you got exactly what you deserved, which is an un-lubed Dragon dildo up the poop-chute.

NB - the correct response to anyone who replies to your plea for help and which isn't totally roasting your sorry ass is, "thank you." Even if the reply didn't actually help. No one here HAS to reply to your queries and you aren't entitled to help, either.

So let's dial back on the self-entitlement and try again with a bit more humility, eh?

Makes sense to me - a Raspberry Pi Zero costs barely more than $20 in the US, so probably closer to $5 in China.  Just paying a tech support employee - even Chinese wages - costs more than that.

Changing the algo preemptively is more or less what I and several other people figured would be necessary to truly fend off large mining operations, and requiring solo mining also sidesteps the issue with one pool dominating the hashrate. Finally, the low total coin supply and a reasonable pre-mine amount (I've no problem with pre-mines - devs need to get paid just like anyone else) makes this highly attractive.

So I just downloaded the Window wallet and have reassigned a Ryzen 5 1600 to mining it for the next day or two as a test. If all goes well I might just keep the Ryzen plugging away at it.

And, looks like I am getting 391H/s with 6 threads. Not bad. With xmr-stak I normally configure 8 threads for Monero7, but I recall seeing somewhere that the scratchpad for XVN is half the size (ie - like CN-Lite)? So would 12-16 threads be better?

UPDATE - I switched mining from the wallet to the daemon and bumped the thread count to 7; doing about 450H/s on average now.

Sorry, but Marvell2 is most likely going to be proven right. Ignoring the tiniest of altcoins, those that still run stock CN or CN-Lite and their current network hashrate are:

Electroneum  ETN       1900MH/s
Dero             DERO      500MH/s
ByteCoin       BCN       170MH/s
Aeon            AEON      112MH/s
Karbo            KRB        62MH/s
Bitsum          BSM      16.4MH/s
LeviarCoin     XLC        7.5MH/s
DinastyCoin   DCY        6.5MH/s
Ultranote       XUN        2.7MH/s
BalkanCoin    BKC        2.3MH/s
BitCoal          COAL      1.4MH/s
CrepCoin       CREP       0.1MH/s

If all the hashrate for ETN gets divided among the remaining coins in the same ratio then 56.7% of the 1900MH/s will go to DERO, 19.3% will go to BCN, 12.7% will go to AEON, etc... That's around 1100MH/s going to DERO, which will basically triple its network hashrate and cause profitability to fall by the same ratio; instead of earning ~8.5 DERO per day (worth $22US) that will drop to around 2.8 DERO/day (worth about $7.35US).

Just for comparison, my 1.9kH/s rig used to bring in 6 DERO/day just before ASICs started showing up in force and it cost me all of $775 to build. It currently earns about $2.4US/day mining XMR, or about what the X3 will do on DERO once ETN forks.

Oh, and DERO is going to be forking in a couple of weeks, too, when the Atlantis update rolls out. Good times.