Your demands are noted and also rejected along with you bid..

No way to verify no sale simple..

The whole point of the escrow is to protect the BUYER & SELLER..

Right now I have to take YOUR word that you send funds to some escrow I have had NO dealing with in the past.
No way to prove there was any transaction so I won't be sending out my product without being able to verify the payment.

No one would do this no one..

I don't want to back out at all. I have said I am happy to ship to MJ escrow but why did the other all supply TXID's for there escrow but these 2 won't

I also direct you to this post.. where another user agrees with me over the escrow not being correct.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53886116#msg53886116

And you missing about 100 point that have been made to you tecshare..

FOR THE 10TH TIME..

I am happy to use escrow I already did with the other 2 bars..

What i'm not happy about is the fact the escrow and you won't provide proof of payment so I am in no mans land..

Prove payment and ill ship to MJ for the 10th time...

Don't trust.. Verify. Simple

GoodNight..

You can post what ever you want techshare your the one being unreasonable here..

Can you show me where it says I even accept escrow on my sale?
Can you show me where it says I will SHIP WITHOUT SIGNATURE.

You sir... are the one who changed the terms to YOUR own.

I'm not playing your stupid games tecshare you everyone else has there bars already but your trying your hardest to change the terms to suit you..

If you don't trust me don't deal with me simple.

I have given you a inch and you tried to take a mile with your demands.

You can post all you want about "contractual" agreement but you sir changed it to suit your own needs.

I don't play games and won't be replying to this topic any longer..

My position is clear if I am unable to verify a payment to the escrow I won't ship..

Your call..

Goodnight.

Tecshare if your escrow will prove payment I will ship I have said this 10+ times..

I WON'T SHIP WITHOUT PROOF ESCROW HAS BEEN PAID..

Is that really difficult?  or unfair in any light?

Your bar could have been out the other day with the other but your the one holding this back not me...
Your trying my patience to the max with this and I could just refuse if I don't feel comfortable with the situation that my choice.

Escrow proves funds are there and I ship..
Escrow fails to prove funds the deal is off.

Ball is in your court..


Take it or leave it..

I asked for proof a payment to the escrow his bar would have been out by now but he kept going on about it's my privacy ect.
He also wanted me to ship outside the terms of the sale where I require a signature on delivery he didn't want this.

I also don't see how the situation is escrow.

If I ship Tecshare the bar Directly! and MJ is "supposed" to be holing the funds and I ship WITHOUT signature on delivery how and I protected?
What proof have I got that the bar made it there?  None..

He only agreed to the escrow being an actual middle man when I said I was not happy shipping without signature.

Every turn he's changed the terms I didn't even offer the sale with escrow and now it's at my cost..

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53886116#msg53886116

If anyone thinks it's unfair for me to be furnished with proof of payment then we cannot deal it's that simple.

Without proof it's like I am sending out my good BLIND to some escrow I have had no dealing with EVER.

Not fair on the seller..

Send me proof of the TXID and I will ship your bar to MJ you keep going round in circles and expect me to ship with no proof...

Don't trust..Verify... Simple

Sorry I don't have to do anything if it's outside the terms of my listing..
And I WON'T be held over the fire by you and your friends tecshare.

You dictated to me what YOU wanted when I questioned it you went on attack mode you have made false claims at every turn and now your posting here rubbish to try get people to bit to YOUR thoughts on the matter and NOT the FACTS!!!

you also wanted me to ship OUTSIDE the terms of the listing so that void's you bid simple..

I have made my position clear and I won't be engaged in any more of your bully tactics on the forum..

Have a nice day.

Magic

Absolute speculation tecshare is this you now trying to make up more fake points to get people to bite?

There's nothing wrong with the price hence I set the OPEN price to something I WOULD be happy with....

You seem to have some other agenda here so good luck to you I hope you don't act this way to people in real life..

Absolute disgrace..

Thanks for dragging this into another topic tecshare..

The use of the escrow is to protect the buyer and the seller. 

Tecshare and MJ basically hijacked the sale topic saying who had won and claiming bids were invalid and I was trying to gain extra funds from a user who didn't understand the bidding process.

After that was explained that the bidder had not realized to format of the bidding was 0.01 OPEN and 0.002 on top of the open price making the price 0.012 at this bid I was amicable with the user at every turn and allowed his bid to be closed.

If you read the main topic I expected the price points to be

0.01 (Open)  Bids 0.002

So when the bidder placed his 0.002 bid increment I added to the price of the bar meaning the bar would end up 0.012 BTC.



He then made threats to me about using his reputation to make sure I could never sell on the forum again he also said things like I should be happy with what I got he then continued to make posts in the topic to the effect that I was trying to manipulate the situation which is un-true.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53872237#msg53872237

He also kept pushing this narrative that I was trying to take a payment from this other user this was his view and not fact in any light just because he didn't understand the bidding process I was going for in the topic he used another user as an excuse to try make me out to be some  kind of scammer by the looks of it.   

Now the user in question has indeed replied to techshare and told him that I didn't do any of the things he's clamming about this 0.002 BTC

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53883757#msg53883757

Tecshare then send me a PM saying dew to my conduct he wanted to use the escrow of his choice at my expense now as this was my first time selling here I wanted to be sure about the escrow. 

Most escrow systems will provide the seller proof that the buyer has indeed made payment for the item in bitcoin this could be a TXID of the transaction. Yet I am to just accept without proof the funds are there?

See this post by another user who agrees with me there tactics of escrow fall short of forum practice and general practice.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53886116#msg53886116

Further to this Tecshare requested in a PM to me that I ship to him NOT requiring a signature on delivery and to use the normal postal service I was un-easy to this for a number of reasons

1. I have no proof of payment to the escrow
2. I would have no proof of delivery
3. I stated in my OP heading that Signed for delivery would be required

This would have left me in a position were I would have NO proof of delivery and Tecshare could have easily just told the escrow hey I didn't get my bar and I would have no legs to stand on.

As a new seller I wanted to ensure I was protected thankfully another member stepped in and escrow a deal for Last of the V8's and paid upfront for 1 bar delivery has been successful and my escrow has been released.

Tecshare has bullied me at every turn demanding changes to the way the OP was run and demanding changes to the way I ship my goods.  I am not going to bend over and be bullied by a member who has clearly made it his obsession to make me out to be something I am not.

If anyone reads the topic they will see what I mean by his continued reverting to the 0.002 btc bid by the member and the confusion that supposed how the bidding work..

Tecshare made 2 bids.. 1 Invalid and 1 valid so I am in NO doubt that he understood EXACTLY how the bidding was to work.

Further to this MJ and tecshare attempted to tell people in my topic there bids were invalid this is not there place and I feel that they both attempted to mess my topic up as much as possible.

None of the other members I have dealt with have had a issue only tecshare and going by his history here it look like he's the king of drama's and lording his status and reputation over smaller less known members.. 

Could it also be they saw my new idea as a threat to there silver market?  possible, I mean someone new selling products they didn't think about making could really impact there standing....

Just a after thought.

I'll make my position clear one last time..

I am not happy dealing with tecshare after his actions both in PM and on my topic I feel he bullied the situation to suit his own agenda.
2 others bought from me and received there bars without trouble.
I feel they threatened my reputation to get me to ship under there terms when it was clearly stated the shipping method would require a signature.

I was willing to use the escrow HE chose.
I was willing to ship to MJ if I was furnished with a TXID to show a payment had been made to escrow.  (they both refused)

As far as I am concerned now tecshare has voided the terms of the sale with me by demanding other shipping types and refusing to prove he send escrow money. 

I am a man of my word but I won't be bullied or be held over the coals or have my topics overtaken by people who try to admin my sale without consent.

I have tried very hard to keep everyone happy after the confusion of how the bidding was to work I even made a post to show them how I expect the sale to go down.  Just because something is difference from what your used to dose not make me wrong.

He also then started to claim it was about privacy ect which to me means he didn't read the terms of the sale one bit and just attempted to use a misunderstanding that was nothing to do with him tbh to lord it in the topic.

I do not feel comfortable sending out the last bar now to the escrow for 2 reasons..

1. the escrow gave me a red trust then removed it for whatever reason escrow should be neutral party to me MJ and tecshare are very much working together here.

2. The terms he attempted to set the escrow to would have left me exposed to possible fraud with me having NO way to prove that the bar was delivered,

As of  now I am not happy to deal with Tecshare for HIS own actions and conduct when I have been more than accommodating and explained everything to him he even ignores the others in the topic who agree with me on this matter because he know's he's got the +trust to try bully others.

I have seen 100's of topics here about this guy not 1 of them good in my view.  I have been an outstanding member here helping out where I can with new users or dealing with scammers I am very annoyed that my sale needed up this way but I am only human at the end of the day something this guy can't seem to understand.  He also fails to accept that the bidding by the other user was nothing more than a misunderstanding and is trying to use it as a weapon to get what he wants.

I don't want to deal with him and I don't trust the escrow.  And dew to this I didn't want to go round and round in the topic covering old ground I made it clear to him NO TXID no sale.  but now he's pushed my reasoning to its limits and I have now voided his bid..

If  anyone thinks anything I have done is un-reasonable please let me know but I fell there's more to this that meets the eye..

In concluding this post I want to make some things clear.

I have shipped 2 bars and they have been received

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5225031.msg53890491#msg53890491

As far as I am concerned I have proved I am a man of my word and willing to compromise to a point but I WON'T be forced by ANYONE to be unable to verify a payment before sensing my goods out.. no one would do this..

and secondly this forum has lost its p2p spirit Satoshi would be sad to see this 3rd party bull shit going on, but I understand the need for escrow when it works for BOTH party's not just the buyer.

Thank you

Magic..

Escrow payment for Last of the v8's bar has now been released.

Thank you for your custom @Corrosive and @LastoftheV8's it was a pleasure to deal with you both.

BTCBTCBTC

Not going to drag this out any longer.

I don't want to deal with you. Your own attitude towards me was terrible from the start from first contact in pm where you said and I quote.

"Your actions regarding your auction make me seriously question your reputability"

My actions have been in line with the terms of my sale at every point you have however seized on 1 small mistake and blown it up into this super topic when anything I say is wrong in you views.

If you don't trust me don't deal with me it's that simple.

As far as I am concerned I have proven my reputability by delivering 2 of the bars to a buyer.

The buyer is happy with the product and was kind enough to escrow it for Last of the V8's..

I don't want to deal with you Techsahre you made this out to be something It wasn't and my topic was hijacked and I was TOLD what bids were accepted and what one's were not from someone else.

You also didn't raise a concern about it during the sale at any point you knew fine well as per the listing how this was supposed to work but you seized on the confusion of one bidder to question my reputation so I don't want to deal with you..

If you can't see that it was a misunderstanding by the bidder on how the bids were to be done in this topic then that's you view.

But I do not want to deal with you or some escrow that won't prove any funds were sent.

If that is not acceptable to you then your bid is rejected.

locking this topic as it's just a waste of time talking to a brick wall..

Thank you to the two people who put some trust in me you really are stand up guys.

Magic

The reason the text look's that way is it's very hard to get perfect on hand poured bars with as much text as this on them.
It actually took the smelter a few attempts to get them right with this much text and the logo.

If I was to do any further custom silver I would be looking to have a stamp made and cast them rather than have hand poured silver again thought I think they turned out very nice indeed.

Thank you Corrosive.

Great dealing with you I am glad they arrived so quickly and you are happy with them.
And thank you for stepping in to help resolve this issue.

Have a nice day

No proof of payment no deal your continuing this on now to I don't trust the escrow again moving on to something else as you have been proven wrong in your previous posts.

I don't want to deal with you now it's that simple you made me out to be something I am not you made false claims about me at every turn and you attempted to change the terms of the shipping.

If you send MJ a TX and he has to forward it to me then your argument about privacy and info are not valid..

The listing said SIGNED FOR DELIVERY you didn't read it..

The whole point of escrow is so the Buyer and seller have protection.. If I cannot verify that a payment was sent then I won't be dealing I have said that 10 times now..

Have a nice day.

Please show me the Fraudulent bids? 

Please do show me where I did anything outside of what it says in the main listing?

I'm sure if you look it says Open price 0.01 + Bids of 0.002 

That issues has been covered not only by me but by the bidder and I accepted that he didn't understand the process and was very amicable over the situation you on the other hand insist that there was some kind of underhand tactic's going on with NO proof other than your own perception over the matter.

I don't want your private info and I have posted proof of your attempt to change the terms of the postage to  NON rerecorded with signature.

I don't want your coin's either now or any dealing with you..

If you don't trust me that's your view but I don't want to deal with you any more for you conduct over the escrow it is that simple..

If you want we can drop this to meta and have more people look over the moment you realized that I indeed was right and the bidder had confused what was going on you thought you would take advantage of that situation.

The contract is void and your not willing to provide proof of payment to the escrow so we're done here.

Have a nice day..

Again your making claims that are untrue.  At no point did I try get additions 0.002 off anyone!!
If you really are this thick in the head and can't read and understand how the auction was to work and still persist in making claims that I tried to "weasel" additional funds when it's clear now BID were to be 0.002..... and they go ontop of the START PRICE...

Shall we do some math again...

OPEN PRICE  0.01 

Bids in Increments of 0.002

Bar was OPEN with offer of 0.01..  there was then a bid @ the bid price....  0.002

You tell me what is the price at this point... now think here it says bids in 0.002 increments...

Just because YOU didn't understand what was going on and your now trying to use that as a leverage point but I think you did because you posted a bid of 0.002 then changed it to 0.01 when you realized that bar 2 was not open.

I am asking for a simple TXID to prove you send funds into the escrow.

If that's not acceptable good luck trying to hold me to anything what are you going to do come to my door? threatening me with you reputation again and again which you seem to like to do around the forum not just here.

You have tried to bend the rules of the auction to suit you... You have used a mix up with how the bidding was to work as a way to make claims against me at every turn even AFTER the bidder explained IN DETAIL what was wrong you continue to make false claims about a 0.02 BTC which to be honest makes you look like a fool not me because the matter has been made perfectly clear.

You saw a new service make a mistake and your now trying to bend the rules of shipping and the rules of the escrow to your own advantage.

I have had word that the bars 1 and 2 have arrived today to there escrow with no issue's.

I have made it clear is the buyer and seller cannot come to an agreement over the escrow deal then the deal won't go ahead. Simple...

And for your information your claims that "this is what you wanted all along" are more bullshit what's next claim you will make about me I wonder?

You can shout about obligations all you want you can make false claims about what happened all along but the history of the topic is still here you first made claims about why I made it self mod well look its all still here.... You have been told 10+ times now HOW the auction was to work and WHY I saw the price at that price point if you choose to not listen to it and continue you slander campaign against me to try make me out to be some sort of bad guy this will back fire on you more than it would ever hurt me.

Your false claims and petty arguments over things like the shipping and requiring no signature show you didn't read anything before you bid.
So you didn't follow the terms of the sale and thus the contract is now void in my eyes.

You attempted to have me send this silver DIRECT to you not to the escrow YOU tried to have me send OUTSIDE of the terms of shipping with Royal Mail Tracked and SIGNED FOR.  You then failed to show me proof that the escrow was or is holding my funds.

None of the above are in my terms of sale you added them to suit YOU and at every step you revert to some flawed argument about someone's bid and me trying to get a further 0.002 your the one looking stupid here not me..

If you don't like the fact you have been proven to try manipulate the situation then move on and good luck holding me to any contract when you attempted to change the contract to suit you after not reading the listing and not understanding the bidding and in my eyes thus voided the contract.........

Have a nice day!

It's not worthless to me It will look good in my collection I asked for no ass kissing I asked for proof that funds we're sent to the escrow perfectly valid request.

As I said I had these made at my own personal cost for a bit of fun and to do something cool in the community while i'm not going to cover old ground again I would rather move on and keep my silver rather than arguing with you over a TXID and how escrow should work to protect both party's.

Again no TXID no sale.

Take it or leave it your choice.

No address.. No sale...

Without proof of escrow being funded...

So you expect me to take it on face value or your "word" that funds have been send to an escrow YOU selected.  When it's already been said in the topic by another users this is NOT the normal practice of escrow with funds.

This is not in line with the terms at all techshare

Sorry but no verification no deal's if that's not acceptable then there is no deal to speak of you have dictated what YOU want from the start and give me no room to even verify it for what ever reason you also didn't read the delivery terms  or the terms of bidding but you expect me to bend to your way to save face? when in all honesty I haven't even done anything wrong..

You can argue your point till your blue in the face but if there is NO way for me to verify funds are in the escrow then I won't be dealing with you..

Sorry but don't trust, verify goes a long way..

I have done my steps to verify Bars 1 and 3 for other buyers no issues but with you we're going round in circles if I can't verify escrow's holding the funds and a transaction took place there I don't see any issue with that and I don't see your argument as valid about privacy either if you send a UTXO to MJ and he sends it to me where is the privacy there I  could look on chain and see the TX after so why not furnish the seller with proof  of payment to the escrow?