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61  Economy / Gambling / Re: Play Simple telegram-bot game "Unix Season" on: August 12, 2023, 09:27:24 PM
^ For me, Telegram games don't capture your interest due to their simplicity or lack of engaging features, and you find more enjoyment in crypto casinos, that is a valid perspective. Crypto casinos often offer a wider range of traditional casino games with the added advantage of utilizing cryptocurrency for transactions. I don't think also I trust this Telegram casino, which is I know that Telegram has full of scammers that you cannot trust.
To the owner of this, why you don't create your own website so that people here will have an interest your casino not only for the bonuses?
62  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Passive income with crypto on: August 12, 2023, 08:58:00 PM
Hey guys! I've been in crypto for a while but since it's bear market I'm curious: are there any services where you can earn passive income in crypto, except lending?
The ones that I know is staking, but you have to stake the coins and receive your reward everytime the staking protocol says. There are many altcoins like Polkadot, Solana, Atom that you can stake. You can also stake coins like wBTC but which is not bitcoin but pegged with bitcoin price.

But the best advice I have for you is to just hold your bitcoin and leave it for a long period of time, the price will increase and you will make money from it.

I agree.

Staking is the only way to earn passive income in cryptocurrency, I think. Trading is also a good one but it's so risky for a newbie. Hodling is the most famous one since all you have to do it to wait after you bought when the price dumped. Profits in staking is not that big compare to trading but a profit is still a profit. You could also look for an actual job or be a freelancer while you're holding your cryptocurrency, the more income, the better.
^I think there are more and additional of what you have said BTC mining can be a form of passive income, but it requires a significant upfront investment in mining hardware and energy costs. Miners validate transactions on the BTC network and are rewarded with newly minted BTC and transaction fees. However, mining has become increasingly competitive and requires technical expertise.
Next would be, Lending, yes it is because it's similar to interest-bearing accounts, you can lend out your BTC to individuals or platforms in the crypto space in exchange for interest. Peer-to-peer lending platforms connect lenders with borrowers.
63  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would We Pay Taxes When We Don't Exchange Bitcoin for Fiat Anymore? on: August 12, 2023, 08:40:11 PM
If there’s one thing you can be certain of it is that there will be more taxes in the future. They’re not only exploring taxing Bitcoin transactions (they already do) and improving enforcement, they’re also looking at how to tax you on the Bitcoin you own even if you don’t trade or sell it. Going after unrealized gains with taxes is a real thing…
^ That is the point, taxing unrealized gains means imposing taxes on the increase in value of an asset that you have not sold or realized any actual profit from yet. I think this concept can be particularly complex and controversial, as it challenges traditional taxation and raises questions about fairness, implementation, and potential economic implications.
However, this also depends on which country you are in because some countries consider cryptocurrencies to be taxable assets regardless of whether they are converted to fiat currency, while others only apply taxes when there is a gain realized upon conversion. The decision to declare cryptocurrency holdings and pay taxes on them often rests with the individual holder, and tax authorities rely on the honesty and compliance of taxpayers to accurately report their transactions and gains.
64  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: The fight between Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk. Who you betting on? on: August 12, 2023, 08:25:39 PM
What is the real reason why these two would fight each other? Because one told that he would beat other and the other person offered to tey it? That reason is so childish. Such calls for a fight stopped to look serious in school. These two are already adults. It is stupid to get offended on something on such an age and times of duels and white gloves slaps are gone.
^Haha, that is exactly what comes to my mind, why they would fight with each other?
Competition and rivalry are common in the business world, especially among successful individuals and companies. However, it is important to note that competition does not necessarily translate into personal conflicts or physical fights. Business competition can take various forms, such as striving for market dominance, technological advancements, or innovative breakthroughs. It is not uncommon for leaders in the tech industry to engage in healthy competition while respecting each other's contributions, right?
65  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Quit gamble! Easy or Hard? Let's talk. on: August 12, 2023, 08:05:14 PM

The simple answer is YES it's easy if you're just doing it for fun and entertainment,

I have different opinion here. It’s very hard to quit on gambling if you are using it for fun and entertainment because it means that you are getting positive outcome in there with profit or personal satisfaction. It’s very hard to quit on something that you are enjoying already. The only time it’s very easy to quit on gambling is when you are already bored and scared at the same time because that’s not for fun purposes already.
^ I think we are all thinking the same way and you are right.
Gamble for fun and entertainment without developing a problematic habit, or probably others may find themselves struggling with addiction, which requires professional help and a concerted effort to overcome. I think if you feel this way the best thing that you can do is to find alternative forms of entertainment and engaging in healthier activities can help redirect focus away from gambling and then come back you are ready and have control over yourself.
Because for me, responsible and recreational gambling can be relatively easy to quit, but for those facing a serious addiction, seeking professional help and building a strong support network are very important steps toward recovery.
66  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: If Bitcoin is centralized, will it still have value ? on: August 11, 2023, 10:55:49 PM
The bitcoin survived over a decade for the decentralized character,because the price of bitcoin will not be controlled by any individual.So trader can get maximum multiple of the profit from the bitcoin.The price of bitcoin will depend on the demand in the market it will be the reason of the decentralized.So when the bitcoin became the centralized,their is possibility of reduction in the bitcoin in the market.But their is no chance for the bitcoin to became the centralized coin in the cryptocurrency market.
^ BTC has endured for more than a decade precisely due to its decentralized nature, which ensures that its price remains immune to individual control. This decentralization empowers traders to potentially realize substantial profits from BTC's fluctuations. The price of BTC is intricately tied to market demand, a core characteristic of its decentralized design. The shift towards centralization could indeed lead to a reduction in BTC's market presence. However, the likelihood of BTC becoming a centralized coin within the cryptocurrency market is remote. The very essence of BTC's resilience lies in its decentralized foundation, and this fundamental principle is expected to persist and centralization could invite government regulations and constraints, further impacting its value.
67  Other / Off-topic / Re: Keeping your gambling habit a secret. on: August 11, 2023, 10:51:08 PM
~snip~
I don't talk about it to anyone. Not because i would be shamed or it would be about religion or anything like that. I just find that it's private and thing i do that i enjoy, just for myself. It's my money and my business what i do with my spare time.

I wouldn't even know what to talk about it, because for me it's about relaxation, not tactics. And i doub't it would be relaxing to talk about it either.
Most likely the talk would consist people either judging me, warning me about something i know better then they. Or they would be out of their depth, or even more enthusiasts then i am.
^ We are the same and I understand that.
Just in fact, people have different ways of finding relaxation and enjoyment, and if gambling serves that purpose for you, it is your prerogative to keep it to yourself. You rightly point out that discussing your gambling experiences might lead to a variety of reactions from others, including judgment, unsolicited advice, or even a lack of understanding. I think it is important to prioritize your comfort and well-being in deciding what aspects of your life you choose to share with others because your reasons for keeping this hobby private are sound and reflect your desire to maintain a sense of personal enjoyment and autonomy.
68  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Legality of Online Gambling in Different Countries on: August 11, 2023, 10:45:44 PM
there are still many people who already know that gambling is prohibited in their country. They still try to gamble online and even use VPNs to bypass restrictions from their country. And even if they find a reputable casino, they should also ensure that it allows their users to use a VPN. Otherwise, that user will only get into trouble from his casino. But maybe there are still people who can play gambling in peace, even though they come from countries where gambling is prohibited and also use VPNs to gamble in online casinos.
No, you can't be in peace if you are gambling from illegal countries. There is still a thought of what if you got caught? What will be the consequences of it? But, I am sure it's going to be tough. So, if I were you guys who are planning to gamble illegally, it's better to not do it.

~snip~
^Definitely right and I agree.
Instead of taking the risk of illegal gambling, exploring legal and legitimate avenues for entertainment is a wiser choice. If one of us has an opportunity or has the means to travel to countries where gambling is legal, it can provide a safe and enjoyable way to participate in gambling activities without the fear of legal consequences. Regarding VPN usage, while it may offer benefits such as improved connection speed and enhanced privacy, it is important to remember that online casinos have their own policies and restrictions. Some reputable online casinos may indeed allow VPN usage, but only for users from countries that are not on their restricted list. It is crucial to carefully review the terms of use and policies of any online casino to ensure compliance and a secure gaming experience.
69  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Lotteries and possibility vs. probability on: August 11, 2023, 10:24:15 PM
~snip~

even the person who wins the lottery, their neighbors will find out about it, so there's no point in hiding it, but until today they continue to hide it and I don't believe in the lottery in my country and until last year I saw a lot of people buying a lot of lottery tickets , it was something unbelievable what I saw, people soon thought that when they bought a lot of tickets then their chances of winning a lot of money would be higher, but they didn't think that those tickets are being sold all over my country and there are a lot of people buying, as a consequence getting it right is not easy. but when they started not showing the winner's face, then people lost hope, people don't really believe that there is any winner

and this is the problem, lotteries are the worst thing people put money into, there is no guarantee that they will ever win, there is no proof that anyone really wins, there is no proof that it is not something manipulated, that's why I myself seeing that my country's lottery ticket costs 0.50$ I don't buy the ticket, I have no interest in playing the lottery, I see lotteries as something manipulated, at least I speak in the case of my country
^ That is the point and I think your observation about the surge in people purchasing lottery tickets, with the misconception that buying more tickets increases their chances of winning, underscores a common misunderstanding about probability. The idea that more tickets equate to a higher probability fails to account for the widespread distribution of tickets throughout the country, making the odds of winning quite challenging or pretty slim. This move, while intended to protect the privacy of winners, seems to have unintentionally contributed to a decline in public belief in the legitimacy of the lottery. It is interesting how people's perceptions can shift based on the way information is presented.
However, your decision not to participate in the lottery is a reflection of your critical thinking and reluctance to invest in something that lacks transparency and clear evidence of its fairness. Your stance on the matter is rooted in rationality and skepticism, which is commendable.
70  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are there real sports bet groups on: August 11, 2023, 10:00:36 PM
Quote from: rozak link=topic=5457605.msg62649953#msg62649953
this isn't like group trading signals is it? I'm still confused why a gambler in sports betting really needs a group like that. obviously such paid groups only aim to amass profits for themselves. I'm not sure those who give match predictions also bet.
if a beginner in gambling, maybe I still believe in learning how to bet. but to determine bets, I don't think every beginner needs a group that distributes predictions.

The truth is that some beginners might not be doing it, but not all of them. You might not be into any of those gambling groups, but someone else is, probably because they have no good idea yet about how to make predictions with their own strategy. Sooner or later, if they realise how unreliable those groups are, they will abandon them and learn how to do things on their own. Although I have a user on Twitter whose only thing he does is upload some free games, and he doesn't charge for them.
The main problem of these groups is to find right group. The main part of them post random predictions and get money from the subscribers. They don`t care the results of their predictions. The same time, there are groups with true predictions, when the owner get percent from the winning. He is interested in the result of prediction but it is a problem to find such groups.
But if it would be easy to win the casino - the casino would stopped such bets.
^ That is what supposedly I am thinking.
Some groups may exploit the desire for quick gains by making random predictions and profiting from subscriptions, regardless of their accuracy. On the other hand, there are groups that are genuinely focused on accurate predictions, as their profits are tied to the success of their recommendations. It should be better for us I think to look for groups that have a track record of accurate predictions and a transparent approach to their results. If a group's success was as guaranteed as they claim, casinos and bookmakers would likely take measures to counteract it, as you rightly pointed out.
71  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Have you ever used copy trading apps on: August 10, 2023, 10:41:34 PM
(....)
What do you guys think about copy trading?
Let's discuss please
For me, my own opinion is, the first I noticed is the risk is not worth if. Because if you have a profitable trader from your master trader, the profit you will get is somehow few because of their charge, some are 10%-15%.
But there's a loose trade, you will lose huge.

We all know, not all trades will go well, so I think choosing a master trader that has a good risk: reward ratio or good and always look for long term here.
^ A trader who prioritizes risk management and aims for a favorable risk-to-reward ratio is likely to have a more sustainable in trading and I agree that this can be especially beneficial for long-term success, as you have said. By choosing traders who emphasize these principles, you are more likely to have a good strategy that aims for consistent growth while minimizing the impact of potential losses.
In OP's question, I never tried using apps even in trading because I know they are not safe, web browsing is quite safe than them.
72  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Reckless gambling starts after a win round. on: August 10, 2023, 10:32:06 PM
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Gambling addiction is simply irresponsible gambling. And it begins not when you win some money but when you as a gambler chooses not to set your affairs in order. For example, gambling without being on a budget, gambling without following a schedule or a timeframe, gambling to cope with your life's problem, taking up gambling as a form of employment. There are people on both sides of the coin who have won money over and over again and didn't get addicted to gambling and there are those who are yet to win a lot of money and are struggling with gambling addiction.
^Definitely right and I agree gambling addiction is not solely determined by winning money. People can become addicted regardless of their financial outcomes, depending on their emotional and psychological vulnerabilities, motivations, and external factors.
We should need to understand that gambling addiction is a serious issue influenced by a combination of factors, including individual behavior, psychology, environment, and personal circumstances. By emphasizing responsible gambling practices and addressing the underlying reasons for engaging in gambling, we can work towards preventing and avoiding the risks of addiction.
73  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Sudden Wealth Syndrome (SWS) In Gambling on: August 10, 2023, 10:25:41 PM
I think it comes natural when you've basically lived your whole life thinking that this is all there is to it, that you'd remain a regular wage employee and you'd have to make ends meet if you want to get the nicer things in life. And then you get hit with the reality of the situation, the desirable reality that all you really need is a good break and you're already set for success. I've felt that too when I got my first massive earning in cryptocurrency. I adjusted quickly but at the same time the identity crisis lingered with me for a good while as I try to make sense of why I think I deserve to earn this much money in a week. It's really common is what I mean to say, it just hits you harder the more money you have looking in front of you.
^I agree it is also important to develop a sustainable financial plan that suits with your values and long-term goals. I think this can help provide a sense of purpose and direction as you manage your wealth responsibly. While Sudden Wealth Syndrome can be a challenging experience, it's heartening to know that with time, self-awareness, and the right support, individuals can find ways to adapt to their new circumstances and thrive both emotionally and financially. Because for me, developing a well-thought-out financial strategy that includes saving, investing, and considering long-term goals can help ensure that any sudden wealth is used wisely and effectively to secure your future.
74  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Can Casinos Go Bankrupt Because of Player Wins? on: August 10, 2023, 10:10:52 PM
Even if there aren't 99 players losing when one gambler wins big, or even more than one gambler gets big wins, they have algorithms that manage the amount a user can win based on the available bankroll, the maximum allowed bet is also adjusted accordingly so that if the bankroll only has $20k available, gamblers can only bet a certain amount that cannot win higher than the amount available, and once the bankroll increases, the limits are increased automatically.

So a casino that is built well and the management is doing a good job, there is no chance for it to go bankrupt considering it has a good amount in the bankroll initially because their system and algorithms won't let that amount get finished, and we all know that it is not possible for everyone to keep winning.


It's like the one of hundred in common.The hundred people made their bet in the gambling,but only one get the chance to win the game.This will like one person had the lucky day and rest wait for their luckiest day.After some continuous loss,the gambler get into the vision of the website it made with the program to get the entire money from gambler.But it's not the true one,what he do if they made the continuous win in a row.It was sure he will not contact the support why you make me win all the time Lol.When the casino correctly manage the money,the possibility of bankrupt is low.
^Definitely right because the casinos are well aware of these dynamics and, as you mentioned, proper management of their financial resources is critical to prevent bankruptcy. Their business model is built on statistical probabilities and the long-term advantage they have over players due to the house edge. While it is possible for individuals to have winning streaks, the overall financial health of the casino is determined by the collective outcomes of all players over time. Based on what I have seen, most reputable casinos are subject to regulations and oversight that prevent them from rigging games to ensure consistent losses for players. Rigging games in such a manner would not only be unethical but could also result in legal consequences.
So, while individual players might experience luck and win, the casino's financial stability is built on the aggregate results of many players' bets over time. And as long as the casino manages its finances wisely and follows the rules of fair play, the likelihood of bankruptcy due to player wins remains low.




75  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Advice when you are going a bit far in gaming and betting on: August 10, 2023, 09:53:11 PM
I think it is important for gamblers to consider gambling as fun rather than a way to make money. It is important to realise that the probability of losing is higher than winning and most gamblers lose money in the long run. Consider gambling as part of your leisure time, but not as a way to change your financial situation.
^Definitely right and this was exactly what I suppose to say.
Viewing gambling primarily as a form of entertainment rather than a means to generate income is a critical perspective. The odds are designed in favor of the house, making it statistically more likely for players to lose money over time. We should know that gambling with a clear understanding of the risks involved and set strict limits on spending. Treating it as a leisure activity can help prevent the negative financial consequences that can arise from chasing winnings.  We should always remember, responsible enjoyment is key when it comes to any form of gambling.
76  Economy / Gambling / Re: Cloudbet verification stuck for more than 1 week on: August 09, 2023, 10:43:05 PM
this is the cloudbet M.O. lol

they just stall till you lose your money on tilt from this issue.

Dont cancel your withdraw and spam them daily.


I cannot cancel my withdrawal as I no longer have access to my account.

I'm going to take my troubles patiently I think it's just long and they will validate my account by then finally I hope
^ Number one question is why you are rushing to deposit your account even if it is not yet verified.
As a gambler, it is important to ensure that you are taking the right steps to protect your interests. One of the best practices you can adopt is to have your account verified before making any deposits. This precaution can help you avoid the common pitfall of facing verification issues after you have already deposited funds. By verifying your account beforehand, you will streamline the process and enjoy a smoother experience overall. Remember, proactive measures can go a long way in enhancing your gambling journey. So good luck, I have you have a better experience for your next update and give it back to you your fund.
77  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is copy trading a legit way of income for beginners or just a marketing tactic? on: August 09, 2023, 10:37:01 PM
Copy trading is a way for a lot of bad traders to earn money off fees(they take a small cut). They might look like good traders because of their less-than-2-years-long track record, but a huge majority of them end up losing money in the end.

I’d say only do copytrading if you want to have a little bit of “fun” with some of your spare cash.
Many times copy trading does not give reliable experience, because some of those who provide for this copy trading are actually not real and professional traders on their own. They just simply make this a source of living out from the payments they get from those who carelessly subscribe to them. So yes, it would be more acceptable if those who copy trade are just for fun, and definitely not to earn profits.
^ Probably because copy trading often falls short of providing a reliable experience due to the prevalence of unverified and inexperienced providers. Many individuals offering copy trading services are not genuinely skilled or professional traders themselves. Instead, they use this as a means of income, capitalizing on subscriptions from unsuspecting users. In my own opinion, using copy trading for recreational purposes seems more reasonable, rather than relying on it as a means to generate profits.
As I say, trying even once or twice in copy to gain experience is not bad at all, but if you are relying with your whole life in copy trading which is a wrong decision.
78  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What makes Bitcoins valuable? on: August 09, 2023, 10:25:14 PM
The use case of Bitcoin makes it valuable, IMHO.  It makes the unbanked able to participate in the global economy which is very impossible before.  Having no bank account before Bitcoin was created restricted individuals to participate in global trades.  Bitcoin enables financial inclusion to those people who were denied by banks.  This simply means unbanked are allowed to flourish through local and global trades.
^That is a part that BTC becomes valuable, the use case but the main factor could be the limited supply of BTCs, with a fixed total number that can ever exist, inherently creates scarcity in the market. This scarcity is a key factor driving the increasing value of Bitcoins over time and as demand for BTC continues to rise among investors big or small that looking to accumulate them, the fixed supply contributes to upward pressure on their price. This phenomenon is almost the same as the fundamental economic principle of supply and demand, further emphasizing the significance of BTC value in the digital asset landscape.
79  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling experience using loan money on: August 09, 2023, 10:17:24 PM
Well most violence that has been seen in the gambling world can be traced to either using borrowed money to place bets or by not paying up a loss bet. I think just like it's not advice to use borrowed Money to Invest in Crypto-currency, so it is not wise to use borrowed money to gamble.

I personally see gambling as fun in as much as money is involved I try to gamble responsibly that way you would be able to avoid Lossing more than you can bear or getting into violence in the process.
^Definitely right, most of the violence within the gambling world often stems from two main sources and it could be utilizing borrowed funds for bets and failing to settle a loss wager. This parallels the advice against using borrowed money to invest in cryptocurrencies, underlining the risk in both scenarios. Treating it as a form of entertainment while maintaining responsible gambling practices is a wise decision. This strategy ensures you don't surpass your financial limits or find yourself entangled in situations where losses become unbearable or violence becomes a potential outcome. By adhering to responsible gambling guidelines, you are prioritizing enjoyment without jeopardizing your well-being or resorting to dangerous circumstances.
80  Economy / Gambling / Re: Without money, does it still qualify as gambling? on: August 09, 2023, 10:00:38 PM
Basically the game on the demo account and the real account are the same, and the difference is that we don't deposit and deposit money, and also the winning rate will be much different.
~snip~
^ The distinction between a demo account and a real account might seem subtle, but it holds significant differences.
In the demo version, you are not using actual money, which can affect the way you approach the game. When real money is at stake, the dynamics change and the odds probably become as favorable as they did in the demo.
Your observation about casinos employing strategies to attract players is astute. I think offering a demo account is indeed a strategic move to draw users in, creating a sense of victory and engagement. It is a psychological game, some players might succumb to their own mental biases, leading to losses. Your insight into this matter is spot-on.
It is intriguing how this seemingly inconspicuous approach is not just about promotion but carries a strong promotional undertone. The best of the demo's apparent victories can entice players into the actual gambling realm.



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