This user is also correct it's not normal practice in any light.

So lets just end this here i'll keep my last bar then since I have no way of proving escrow is holding any funds other than his "say so"

Your escrow.
Your rules.
No Proof of Funds.
No Sale...

Simple.

Ok well I made it clear if you didn't want to prove you sent funds to the escrow then there is no deal..

it's that simple.

Go look at ANY other escrow deal.... the seller is always furnished with the transaction to verify that it actually took place.

Or are you expecting me to just send this bar out with NO proof there is anything in escrow is that what your asking me to do??

So you agree MJ's job is to recieve the bar and the funds??

Because this IS NOT THE process that Techsahre asked for in PM's  so your again proven to be talking rubbish and just spamming the topic with nonsense  you haven't read a single post have you?  or you would have seen that Techsahre wanted only the FUNDS.... HIS FUNDS.... to be held in ESCROW...

You are just trolling the topic pushing your OWN thoughts on the matter.

again... your own words here...

MJ’s job is to receive BTC and silver bar and forward on,

That is NOT what the buyer was planning on doing... so.... I await your ever so keen reply Mr Know it all....

Again I never asked for it to be removed at any point... Again that's your perception on it.. That your are trying very hard to push as my actions...

I believe if someone has red trust you should prove to remove it was removed for whatever reason they have to remove it.  But it was NOT removed because I asked like your claims say above. I made a point that my account had been tagged and now it's been removed it was an observation.

Nothing I have done or said is unreasonable at any point.  I have actually tried very hard to resolve this and I was surprised that the escrow was not being a middle man as expected.  I asked for a TXID to show a payment was made to the escrow then the terms of the posting were changed by the OP not asking me but demanding it.

Same way I trusted that bars 1 and 3 will reach there destinations by Verifying with the people involved.

Privacy argument is just another way to keep this going in my view end of the day if he sends the TX to the escrow then the escrow send it to me I could easy check the tx on chain so the argument is so stupid it makes me laugh unless MJ is going to coinjoin the UTXO out to after wasabi which I doubt.

Actually MJ had been given some rep by people I have on my trust list and I know he is a big name in the space in regards to the market so I don't have any concerns over MJ but not I think this topic has got out of hand and no matter what I do not they will red trust me even when the bars are proven to be legit the fact MJ has now revoked his red trust as of 15 min ago on my account says something is not quite right with this situation..

Techshare didn't stick to the terms of the OP it's that simple then attempted to use someone else's bid as a leverage tool in the situation to make out I attempted to gain an additional 0.002 btc when it was his lack of understating of the process..

I think everyone can now see how the bids we're supposed to be and I didn't try get any payments from the bidder like he's claimed in his posts.

I am very frustrated with this as I have been a good member here for quite some time don't nothing but help users  and report scammers and frauds on the boards and now they are holding my reputation here over a knife to get there own way in the sale..

Step back and re-think what your doing here guys your really putting me on spot for nothing more than a misunderstanding and trying to use it against me.

Again.. I would like to wait for the other bars to be delivered to the escrow and have them review it from there.  I'm not here to cause problems but escrow terms should be accepted by both the buyer and seller in my view if there cannot be a middle ground then there cannot be a sale it's that simple.

Thanks

Magic  

No problem... since it clear the "group" of you is quite against new silver services here on the forum i'll just close out the topic if you like.

Nothing I have asked for in this is unreasonable in any light.

But what has been demanded of me is a little unorthodox in my view if you can't see my points which have been raised then I am sorry but I won't be hounded by a group of people over something trival like a TXID as proof of payment to the escrow.

Buyer has the option of wasabi wallet for the transaction if his privacy is so important but again if he's already send the funds to escrow and it's forward to me I still see the TXID at the end so there no argument about that..

I also like how the merits cycle between all the people who are jumping in on this now and how the trust's work between them all very fascinating to be honest.

Techshare picked the escrow not me.
Techshare then wanted the terms changed for postage not me.
Techshare then refused to prove he had paid the escrow any funds.

Sorry but that in my view is manipulation by the buyer he didn't read the terms or how the bids were to work then made demands on how they wanted the deal to go down..

A few $100 or a few $1000 the value is of no matter it's the principals that matter here and how I have no way of verifying that he actually did send funds and I would not have any proof of delivery so I am basically blindly sending it DIRECT to the buyer without any way of proving anything if that's how you see escrow working here then the god help you..

How is that unreasonable from a seller point..

I'm not being backed into a corner in PM's then let them post here what they want all you to see..

There's is nothing in his PM that effects his privacy.

I thank you for stepping in but I have already had a member step in and offer to resolve this matter and they declined even though it would have been a ideal solution for all party's involved then he attempted to have be change the way the item ships to be done with NO proof of delivery even thought it was in the terms.

also the use of escrow was no something I was looking for by now his bar would be on it's way to him in the post along with the other 2 but dew to his own distrust and skeptical claims about the sale it's turned into this..

I also have been given -trust for no reason by the escrow agent.

So where did this all go wrong.  maybe it was MJ jumping in and invalidating user bids?  when they said they didn't know how the sale was to work because it was not the "same" as there sales here...  I'm not going to beat about the bush anymore you have made a new service that made a mistake of not giving enough info on the sale into a shit show you also then used your reputation to try bully it to be on your own terms..

You also stepped into another users topic and attempted to admin the bids without permission so why in the hell should I continue with the deal?

I know I will have 2 very happy customers in the next few days on receipt of there bars and I might as well just wait for them to reply to show I have TRUST and can be trusted to deal here without all this nonsense in PM's and secrecy behind the deals.

No where in the listing did it say I accept escrow either...

I am a big fan of P2P transactions and not middle men.. something the bitcoin community seems to relish these days...

You also said MJ was already holding your payment so what is the issue?

All I wanted was proof (On Chain) of the transaction to escrow taking place to be sure the middle man is indeed holding the funds.

I ship the bar to MJ he's verify's it as per his DM to me and re-ships it onto you..

I get my payment you get your bar nothing crazy there..

What you we're proposing was crazy where you "claim" to have send the payment but provide no proof of it and then attempt to have me ship the item with NO proof of delivery to you.

Sound about right?

Disappearing where? 
Are you really high or something?

When MJ replys to me with a TXID of the transaction I am happy to send MJ the bar and get this mess out the way..

No proof no deal it's really that simple.

I believe I have proven myself by sending the bars out to corrosive for himself and last of the V8's If that is not showing that I am capable of dealing with reasonable users then I don't know what will..  Your welcome to wait for reviews if your not comfortable with the situation.

At ever turn in your posts you have made accusations about my service.  

I can quote them if you really want.

You have made claims about the jimjam bids and MJ jumped in my topic and admin it over who's bids are accepted and not, now I do agree that I could have made the explanation on the bids clearer but for some reason you believe there was some kind of malice behind this when it clear there was none.

Your only accepting the terms now because I have outed what you were trying to do over PM and you have changed you song to lets just do it that way because you KNOW that this is how escrow is supposed to work.

You didn't ask for anything you demanded it.. be that shipping with NO proof and No proof of payment to the escrow so tell me why you think that anyone would accept this sort of terms?

You also clearly didn't read the listing and are looking to have the terms changed to suit you while leaving me with nothing to protect myself with.

If the above is not acceptable then you can cry all you want about it but I won't be sending any products out until I am satisfied with the escrow I'm not a business i'm a person so I should be afforded the same protection via escrow as you are.

You clearly stated NO Signature well sorry but the service I will be sending with requires one and the fact the escrow has gone and given me a red trust just kind of seals the deal as a non-starter in my view.

I was happy to go ahead but now it seems it's more of a ruse to push me to send out with no protection to me...

I am well aware of what you guys do on the forum but past events don't dictate the future.

Don't trust.. Verify

Which is what will happen on delivery of bars 1 and 3 to corrosive.

Where did I say that??  again more speculation.

I never said anyone would steal anything in this entire topic..

Maybe you like to send your goods out to strangers online without any sort of verification or proof that a payment was even made but I don't.
Also where have I ever claimed that he would steal the bar.... this is your thought in your mind and you are attempting to push it as my narrative.

I have made it 10000% clear..

If we are to use the escrow service I require it being send by the method I listed not by the terms of the Buyer.
If we are to use the escrow I require both the funds and the bar to be sent to the escrow for verification.  (Including proof of payment to the escrow ON CHAIN)

If this is not acceptable then the deal is off. It's that simple I offered to cover the cost at my expense for the reshipping on to Techshare.

If the above is unreasonable then your living in crazy land and there's no point in any of this.

I have 2 bars out now I am happy to wait for the results of that and get my reviews for them.

But I won't be sending non-signed for to some address while I have no proof of payment to the escrow..

End of..

No nothing is going anywhere.. You tried to bully me into this escrow under your NEW terms and I plan to expose what you tried to do..

Your making claims about stuff that didn't even happen like the 0.002 bid which has been cleared up but you insist on using it as it's the only thing you have to relate it to...

Further more please do release my conversations to the community I won't be held over the fire by anyone ever...Not you not MJ not ANYONE..

My terms were clear.

You then wanted to change them to suit your own needs..  
No signed for delivery which would give me NO PROOF of posting or delivery to your address.
NO proof of payment to the escrow.

So why should I be held to the contract when your clearly bending it to your own needs..

No one is sending bar's of silver out with NO proof of delivery and some escrow service that won't be the full middle man.

And to be honest right now I don't know If I would even want to send it to the escrow since he clearly just red trust me when you both realized the war was lost.

I look forward to the reviews from the helpful members that took the time to assist in this matter and it's sad to see people lording there status here as a way to change terms of sales to there will..

Magic

Don't back down now techshare you were doing so well.....

or is this other person you want to bully.

1.  Incorrect I have already explained how the auction was to go down and someone didn't realized that the open price is 0.01 and bids go up in 0.002 increments
that issue was resolved and the bids we're closed as per the discussion in the topic and via DM's


2. Just because something is not of the same format as your used to dose not make it wrong.  the logic behind the sale is CLEAR now and I accepted that I could have made it clearer.

3. Your first DM to me was you telling me you wanted to use MJ as escrow but escrow is where the agent holds BOTH goods.  I also said I would cover the cost if there was any for this.  Escrow is to protect BOTH party's not just you and me sending direct to you without ANY proof of payment to the escrow is crazy!

4. Can you show me this "Demand" that I pick the escrow?  I believe it was you who picked MJ not me?
I suggested to you we use Corrosive as he was kind enough to step up and offer the service as a resolution.
Please do post my DM's if you like about this conversation there was never a demand at any point.


5.  When there is clear manipulation I would rather be transparent that hide in DM's and it shows that I am indeed correct about the issues I have raised.
There is NOTHING in the DM's that affects your privacy.

6. Replying to accusations is not arguing I have tried to be as neutral as possible in this situation while you have made threats and bullied the situation to your own terms.  ( see postage terms in main listing )  So it's clear YOU are changing the terms to SUIT you.. and claiming it's some privacy issue when it's not.  You could get anyone to sign for the package...





In reflection I believe it's your own stubbornness and attempting to lord you 20+ trust on a new service on the forum..

Your welcome to leave at any point..

TECHSHARE won't give me the TXID... or allow signed..

What ever you guys are trying it's not going to work..

I think your little ruse on the new silver seller is about to unravel in your faces.

Let's await  the 2 buyers reviews from here on in...

Who's being difficult now?   Not me I was more than willing to accommodate but not when the terms are stacked against me

Also the fact Techsahre is sending me PM's now saying NO SIGNATURE on the delivery..



this is not normal practice for anyone I feel bullied into using some escrow service I have no proof of payment, not allowed to send recorded SIGNED FOR delivery and being threatened with my reputation in the topic.

I have already been - trust by MJ on my trust list.

As far as I am concerned I will retract the bid and await my review from the buyers and escrow that has been accepted.

If you think these sort of bully tactics will work in getting what YOU want over whats best and safe practice then you have another thing coming.

I also find it horrible to see that Bitcointalk has stooped so low like this with threats by people with trust to new services (Yea i've read all the topics with VOD)  and others.  And I won't be dragged into something like that with you techshare or MJ for that matter.

The terms of the Escrow are ALL in favor of the buyer with NO proof or Verify of even a payment to the escrow.

There was even the offer of using the same escrow that has been very helpful to the situation from the start but again they said no to this option even thought 2 other bars went this way..

The only people being difficult here are you guys I was more than happy to ship to the escrow but for some reason that was not acceptable so the deal is off in my view.

I have put trust in someone here just seems you can't read or don't want to read.

I have send bars out already 2 of them 1 escrow and 1 paid..

I think we wait for them to reply then we will see.

Until then I will continue to speak with MJ and Techshare via PM..

Whatever mate...

You think name calling is going to help?

I am putting a stop to this now before this get's out of hand "again"

For the record.

I have said I would accept MJ as escrow if he was receiving the bar and funds and being a proper escrow as he said in his PM he could do.

I do not accept sending the bar to the buyer without proof of payment to the escrow (which I was told I could not have)

No one else has had this issue the other bars are on route to the buyer with no issues.

So we will await there reply to the topic until then we will wait and see who has integrity here mob rule and bully tactics won't work with me i'm afraid I've been about here longer than you will ever be rxalts...

Don't bother with a reply because you say nothing of substance anyway other than trying to troll the topic into the ground with your alt account.