Is this the part where you claim everyone who ever starves is a direct result of Capitalism, as if Communism would have fed them as if by magic?
Well this is the part where I claim that capitalism is an extremely shitty ressource allocation system as it produces more than the needs of the population and still manages to get millions of people starving. But that's probably the part where you claim that communism wouldn't have allowed anything at all and everyone would have died because... Well you won't have to give a reason but you'll be still right. You can claim the moon is made of whipped cream, that doesn't make it so. What a horrible system! It produces abundance! I think you are having some trouble with basic logic here. You have this utopian idea in your head that it is possible to provide for everyone. Technically, that is true, but we would all have to live under basically totalitarian rule and have others making all our decisions for us. That is the BEST CASE scenario, one which is quite unlikely considering the human population is potentially infinite. What is more likely though is we get the totalitarianism and even more people die. I have explained many times why Communism is a failed model, because it is totally inefficient, ignores human nature, and provides no incentive for people to create the capital we all rely on to survive because responsibility for survival is collectivized to the state. In capitalism everyone is being taken care of. If you take a look around yourself, each town in the modern world has a soup kitchen where you can get free food, each town has a red cross where you can also get free food&supplies for your home, most towns have homeless shelters where the homeless can reside. But do you know why most of the homeless don't go to homeless shelters? Because they don't want to. Once you meet a couple of homeless people (I did), and you try to help them out, you'll soon realize there's a reason why they are homeless. Each single homeless guy I met is an alcoholic, drug addict or a gambler. If you take a simple walk through the London streets, you'll realize every single homeless guy is holding a cigarette in his hand (a pack is 10 GPB) while 90% of Britons do not smoke. How can he afford cigarettes if he can't afford food? It is because begging for food results in more money than begging for cigarettes. And begging is quite a lucrative business. Some estimates say you can earn a 100$/hour on busy locations. . I give a homeless guy a 20 kuna. He goes into the shop and comes out with the most expensive glass beer. Not the cheap 2L one, but the expensive 0.5L one. Further away, I tried to buy them food. I tell the guy, I won't give you money, but I'll buy you something to eat. So, we go the bakery, 'I'm allergic to ___', oh okay, there's ____, ......pause... 'I'm not really hungry, bye'. Whoever is hungry in this time in the western world can be fed at any given time by attending a soup kitchen or the red cross, even going to the church would most definitely result in the person being fed. There is 0 people who can't acquire basic neccesities for life without them willingly doing so in the west. The people who are called 'unlucky' are purposly being homeless as they wish not to do work when work is proposed to them, they wish not to reside in a shelter when giving the opportunity, and they wish not to save money but rather drink it. |
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Vodstvo foruma, vodi forum u propast.
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Moraš koristiti svoje riječi i ako nekog citiraš navesti source i staviti sve pod navodnike. Samo me zanima kad će/i ako će početi kažnjavati ljude zbog starog "spama" i sličnih stvari, recimo, gledam svoj profil, inače sam došao ovdje isključivo zbog fauceta, imao nekakvu stranicu gdje sam radio tu listu sa ovim ref linkovima pa sam zapravo jako često pisao manje više iste stvari po temama u micro earnings, tipa "easy and simple faucet, can you raise rewards" i slično(da dignu nagrade, naravno)....sad, netko bi to možda mogao vidjeti kao copy/paste ili nekakvo spinanje riječi, a lako je moguće da sam negdje zaboravio staviti te navodnike u svojim "ranim" danima na ovom forumu, doduše, primjetio sam da sam zapravo nedavno zaboravio staviti nešto pod navodnike...uh. Imamo slučaj bill gator koji je baniran 60 dana zbog kopiranog posta iz 2015. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5145840.msg51158906#msg51158906Još se čovjek pokušao izvući kada je rekao da je kupio account 2015. (acc je napravljen u listopadu 2014.) i s tim si je totalno sjebao account, jer su ga svi flaggali zbog trgovine accountima.. |
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Those numbers are quite conservative as well.
I have purposely made them conservative in order to avoid the exaggeration card. The point would be valid even if the death toll was 10% of what it is. Unforunately, a 100 million died from Marxist ideas. That's not virtue signaling, that's trying to have a bigger point of view than just "hey capitalistic countries are making more money" yeah thanks dumbass, communist countries don't even have money normally so yeah they're not going to produce the same things.
Really wanna go with the death toll?
You understand that capitalism lost this battle decades ago right?
Yes. Capitalism will produce food, while communism will not. Money is just an instrument of exchange. What represents the prosperity of the people is what they can afford in their regular lives, and capitalism provides them with fridges filled with food, with cars to get from point A to point B, with TVs, laptops, computers, internet, phones etc. Communism, well, it fails at food already. I don't remember when capitalism did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HolodomorIs this the part where you claim everyone who ever starves is a direct result of Capitalism, as if Communism would have fed them as if by magic?
Well this is the part where I claim that capitalism is an extremely shitty ressource allocation system as it produces more than the needs of the population and still manages to get millions of people starving. But that's probably the part where you claim that communism wouldn't have allowed anything at all and everyone would have died because... Well you won't have to give a reason but you'll be still right. So, your argument against capitalism is that it produces everything in such abundance it can even be thrown away? |
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Stupid argument at the same level than the "it's not real communism"
Because it failed before it can't succeed in the future? Guess you never heard of changing the conditions in a scientific study then.
The difference is that 'almost communism' always results in starvation and dictatorship while 'almost capitalism' results in prosperity. There is also a long historical record of Communism being harmful. I love how you dismiss the "no true Scotsman" logical fallacy of "it's not real Communism", then immediately proceed to rephrase the same argument.
I'm very sorry you consider changing the condition the same as doing repetedly the same thing. Probably linked to your lack of scientifical knowledge. If every time it fails, you make an hypothesis on why it fails and you chenge it, there is no reason it will fail. Which relevant factor has been changed in favor of communism working now? And which one of it avoids theft of private property? |
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I'll leave this here even though anyone who believes in actual research already rejects capitalism. In 28 of 30 comparisons between
countries at similar levels of economic development, socialist countries showed more favorable PQL (physical quality of life) outcomes. https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.76.6.661Where is this quote from? It is not found anywhere on the link you provided. Nor can I see anything like it there. No, that's called not just blindly believing anything that calls itself a study. All that is is a collection of cherry picked metrics and massaged statistics leaving out lots of very relevant information. Furthermore it is from a snapshot in time just before massive failures in these modern forms of Socialism/Communism. It would be akin to throwing you off a building, taking a picture, and saying look its ok, see, he can fly. You are still going to eventually hit the pavement regardless of the fact of the picture of you in mid air.
Funny you use this metaphore a lot but the good thing is that it ends every possible argument. "oh no it's not working, it's just working temporaly before it fails" Yeah thanks dude, great argument really. Yet we have never seen a communist country that didn't eventually hit the pavement. |
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Wanna talk about how great Pinochet was?
I'm talking about the economy not about the style of rule. Oh then if you don't take into account anything else that $/capita then I guess the comparison is easy. Of course it tells a lot about your ability to conceive the world, but at least the comparison is easy. Pinochet killing a 1000 communists is totally proving communism is a superior system. Especially when these 3 regimes have such little death tolls Mao Tse Tung - 40+ million Stalin - 28 million Pol Pot - 3 million Just keep virtue signalling. |
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because the capitalist communes will try to leech of the socialist ones, like it was the case during cold war.
What have you been smoking?What are you talking about? Capitalism and colonialism always produce winners and losers. The contrast in those places is proof that capitalism works but does nothing towards suggesting it is better. The oppression produced by capitalism is the motivation for socialism, not the result of it. The world would be a better place if these drastic contrasts did not exist at all.
Which oppression are you talking about? Are you fucking kidding me?
1 and 2 both HK and Taiwan have been crushed by China. 3 and 5 was just a cold war zone and one of the two countries saw his camp disappear. 4 is a joke right? What do you want? To compare which dictatorship was worse? Wanna talk about how great Pinochet was?
Hong Kong - 46 193$ / capita ( https://prnt.sc/o1czob) Taiwan - 25 026$ / capita ( https://prnt.sc/o1d0g0) China - 8827$ / capita ( https://prnt.sc/o1d04f) Hong Kong literally has a higher GDP per capita than Germany While China is at Serbia levels. Chinese GDP per capita until 2000. was <1000$/capita, only after China embraced capitalism and free markets its GDP started doubling each 5 years or so, while it was still a communist state it was one of poorest in the world And still, even today, countries inhabited by Chinese peoples that haven't embraced communism in the past are enjoying an enormously larger amount of prosperity Hong Kong is 5 times richer to that extent that a large portion of people in Hong Kong don't consider themselves Chinese anymore as they wish not to associate themselves with China The same thing happened in the 3x richer Taiwan where people started to identify to identify as Taiwanese instead of Chinese. 3 still exists today and there is no cold war. 5 did exist during the cold war but how is that justification of anything? Both were in the cold war and both were inhabited by the same culture. One climbed walls under threat of murder from armed guards in order to get to the other 'oppresive' side and the other just lived regular lives. Wanna talk about how great Pinochet was? I'm talking about the economy not about the style of rule. you have no idea what capitalism means,
without communism a capitalist society becomes basically a big scam with ICOs and coiner capitalists throwing printed money on each other.
there is no social progress etc.
the problem with capitalism is that it has no honor, and tends to leech of others.
without the leeching capitalism would never work or be long term successful.
usa and uk are dependent on eastern european immigration to run stable, now after brexit, they have alienated the communist eastern europeans and are crushing.
besides its not a choice to be capitalists, thats something "god" decides.
according to judaism
There is no leeching in capitalism. If you are able to provide what the market needs, you are awarded. If you are not able to, you are not awarded. I would compare it to nature and Darwinism. Who provides what the people need is awarded. Who provides pointless things with no use in life is not. |
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Is it possible that all the USA winners get a group package sent to someone, and than that person sends it to the USA people? I feel like it would be cheaper but I dunno
Going from Europe to USA ik is going to cost more than $7.
cause at that price I feel like you are actually under charging us for shipping.
That's possible but I think it would be more expensive for the end consumer. The posta.hr website in Croatia states that priority mail for 100-250g of weight is that price. One knife is ~200g. Unless they changed something and haven't updated their website, we should be fine  |
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Scalability is in fact a very valid argument. Small Socialist/Communist organizations can work because the members of the group all know each other, have high levels of trust, as well as accountability. At scale none of these factors are valid any longer. Simply look at the death of gifting based economies brought on by outside influence for further evidence of this. Communism does in fact require Capitalism to function, and your argument of what came first is incorrect if not asinine. Humanity for most of human history consisted of small collectives that were largely indistinguishable from Communism. Market economies of scale are largely a new invention, while the basic concepts of "free markets" or open trade are not at all new. The fact is even these communes relied upon market trade in order to function, as would modern Communism. The fact is Communism provides disincentive to create resources as personal responsibility is collectivized to the whole. Capitalism creates the required inductive force to motivate actors within it to create the capital goods required for either system to exist. Communism is neither effective nor efficient at managing and creating these requirements, hence Communism requires Capitalism, but Capitalism does not require Communism. This is something even Karl Marx himself admits. "What we have to deal with here is a communist society, not as it has developed on its own foundations, but, on the contrary, just as it emerges from capitalist society; which is thus in every respect, economically, morally, and intellectually, still stamped with the birthmarks of the old society from whose womb it emerges." - Critique of the Gotha Program, April-May 1875, Karl Marx, P. 5It is not an issue of scalibility, it's an issue of voluntary interactions. There's a reason why trust exists and you don't trust everyone, and you choose who to cooperate with Small communities take care of each other because they choose to, not because they're forced to. People voluntarily organising shouldn't be a bad thing. The problem with communism is you don't have a choice. ------------------- @OP There is. Let me name a couple 1. Hong Kong vs China 2. Taiwan vs China 3. South Korea vs North Korea 4. Venezuela vs Chile 5. East Germany vs West Germany Same people, same culture, diametrically opposed outcomes. |
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  https://i.imgur.com/iAQgRt1.jpgMy phone is broken so I took pics on an old iPhone 6. In reality the artwork is not as pale as it appears in the pictures. I would say it looks a lot better in reality. Limited edition of 50. Size: 40x60 40x80 40x100cm COAs are in process, will be signed, stamped and laminated and posted here some time soon. First 10 auctioned now, 10 more next week and the rest will maybe have a sell price or they'll also be auctioned, I'm unsure. Starting bid is 0.013 BTC. Shipping is included in the price. 1- 0.013 BTC2-0.013 BTC3-0.013 BTC4-0.013 BTC5-0.013 BTC6-0.013 BTC7-0.013 BTC8-0.013 BTC9-0.013 BTC10-0.013 BTCAuction ends at June 21 8 AM bitcointalk forum time Sniping: Each bid 30 minutes before the end prolongs the auction for 30 more minutes You can bid on as many numbers as you want. BIN for any other number is 100$. |
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Shipping from where? Actually I just want to know if Europe.
Yes. I'm shipping from the European Union to be more precise  |
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I can do 1:1 for you PayPal? You still need it? We can do all at once
I'm sorry but your trust is nowhere near acceptable for a 650$ PayPal deal. |
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You looking to do this all in one go or open to smaller deals?
I don't see why not. Open to smaller deals. |
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Title is self explanatory.
I need ~650$ on PayPal, I have crypto.
Will take only F&F and only trusted people.
1:1 desirably.
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How would there be an extra $12 million when 600 bitcoin of the original ICO funds were returned to investors from dec 2017 to dec 2018?
How would there be an extra $12 million available after all the expenses we had? Please show me the data which shows this. What expense is 12 million  Did you buy a BetKing Bugatti? |
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On the flipside, if you held the 148507.43 BKB, a conversion of 30 BKT = 1 BKB nets 4,455,222.9 BKT.
This is 0.40097006 BTC (we can only guarantee a sale at the highest buy order) which is roughly $3207.76 (at 8000 USD/BTC) BKB to BKT is 1:20 and not 1:30. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5119013.msg50101033#msg50101033BKB holders BKB holders can trade their tokens to BKT at a rate of 20 BKT for each BKB. Visit https://betking.io/token to swap. That would be some 0.24 BTC at the current price, so your stats would look like this: Investment: 3 BTCTotal value: 0.24 BTCTotal loss: - 2.76 BTC (-92%)Investment: 13790.4$ Total value: 1896.96$ Total loss: - 11893,44$ (-86.24%)Q1 (Dec 17): $1379.04 @ $11271.20/BTC = 0.12235077BTC
Q2 (Mar 18): $1241.14 @ $11471.20/BTC = 0.10819618BTC
Q3 (Jun 18): $1117.02 @ $7622.00 /BTC = 0.14655208BTC
Q4 (Sep 18): $1005.32 @ $7230.36 /BTC = 0.13899722BTC
Q5 (Dec 18): $904.79 @ $4001.27 /BTC = 0.22612570BTC
Q6 (Mar 19): $814.31 @ $3747.36 /BTC = 0.21730231BTC
Q7 (Jun 19): $732.88 @ $7910.92 /BTC = 0.09264156BTC Which exchange did you use for these prices? |
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The buy back price offered by BetKing will be based on the current total bankroll profit. So for example if the price of the token at the end of the crowdsale was $0.014 and the bankroll profit was $1,000,000 then the buy back price would be $0.024 (1,000,000/100,000,000 + 0.014). http://web.archive.org/web/20170903041628/https://betking.io/(1,000,000/100,000,000 + 0.014) You are getting USD denominated bankroll profit. If there is an extra 12 million$ in the bankroll, doesn't that constitute as profit? Above you have the website of the ICO. From it, you can honestly assume if BTC grows, the money remains in the bankroll, since it is stated that it is the intended use of the Betking Bankroll token. This is everything where the so called USD peg is mentioned. The total funds raised will determine the price per BetKing Bankroll token. We will take the total value of all funds at the current exchange rate at the end of the crowdsale to determine the total raised funds. E.g. If we raised $1,000,000 then the price per token would be $0.014 (1,000,000 / 70,000,000).
The buy back price offered by BetKing will be based on the current total bankroll profit. So for example if the price of the token at the end of the crowdsale was $0.014 and the bankroll profit was $1,000,000 then the buy back price would be $0.024 (1,000,000/100,000,000 + 0.014).
Every quarter BetKing will offer to buy back up to 10% of a holders tokens at the current buy back price.
Token holders may choose to sell offsite to 3rd parties or on any exchanges that may list BetKing Bankroll Tokens if they require more liquidity. Find the part which can explain how a 12 million $ extra in the bankroll is not profit. Or try to find anything else on the website that can support the claim. You can find the bitcointalk thread here as well. http://web.archive.org/web/20170629091501/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1842538.0No. You own a "share" of BetKing (the company) and not the bankroll. And the company made 12 million dollars. |
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I have never seen on the ICO website anywhere listed that the investment is going to be USD pegged, until during the spike and that Dean made the claims.
How can USD peg in a cryptocurrency casino where profits are made in CRYPTO, not in USD, make any sense at all?
Our investment was the bankroll of a cryptocurrency casino, yet for some reason after BTC spiked our tokens were valued in USD.
This part was completely clear, and you're the only person to blame for not reading about the USD pegged token. Out of all the things you might be able to complain about, this is not one of them. , nor an intention for one, just a scam of 2/3 of the investments. The renegging of the tokens is proof for the above. The so-called USD peg was just a denomination for the Token price. |
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This was a scam from the beginning, people just sided with Dean because he was reputable and cut him some slack (they assumed he was right, because he was a proven trustworthy person).
I have never seen on the ICO website anywhere listed that the investment is going to be USD pegged, until during the spike and that Dean made the claims.
How can USD peg in a cryptocurrency casino where profits are made in CRYPTO, not in USD, make any sense at all?
Our investment was the bankroll of a cryptocurrency casino, yet for some reason after BTC spiked our tokens were valued in USD.
Bankroll value spiked 3 times but our token (which is a share of the bankroll) remained the same.
It was pretty obvious it's going to be a scam.
Day 1 - Bankroll 7 million$, BKB 0.011$
Day N - Bankroll 20 million $, BKB 0.012$
One would assume, maybe, BKB is going to be good if BTC drops.
It did drop.
But surprise surprise, Dean renegged the tokens.
So, in a day, all your investor lost 2/3 of their investment and later on you reneg the token again to suite your own needs and scam the investors.
Even after all of that, it's like you don't want your investors to make their investments back?
You literally give away a 100 BKT for every 1$ wagered on the website, you give thousands per reply and involvement in your threads.
If I wagered 0.3BTC right now, I would get the same BKT amount that I got when I invested 0.5BTC in ICO time!
It's like you don't want us to earn anything.
And you still have the balls to keep writing on this forum and say things like no one has lost money on this?
Man, if I lost a dozen bitcoins in your project, I'd literally face jail time because I'd be really upset.
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