Hamas has rejected the ceasefire. Israel stopped its attacks in Gaza for six hours while Hamas continued to fire rockets.
The ceasefire called for a halt to hostilities after 12 hours. Hamas was/is still considering it. The Al Qassam Brigade openly rejected it, but in the end it is the political wing that tends to get its way. Either way, like I said, a ceasefire won't really last long / do much unless Israel releases the people it arbitrarily detained and unless it is willing to significantly ease the blockade. Neither of which this ceasefire really does. |
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MHO should just send over a "Reset Button" to Libya and all will be well. There won't even be a need for any childish hashtags.
How would everything be all well if Libya was engaged in a long lasting civil war with Gaddafi at the head of things? Having celebrities hold up signs with douche chill inducing sayings is a cure all.. ...? I have no idea what you are attempting to reference. I only use junk like twitter to examine terrorism chatter. So you don't want to Bring Back "Our" Girls or Stop Koney? So you are talking about twitter then. In that case I'll say that many terrorist organizations rely on twitter for recruitment and the dissemination of propaganda, ignoring the platform simply because you thinks it silly, is dumb. So you are claiming this was appropriate and successful. Wow, you really are a Regime sycophant. Though in such an age where we have seen twitter used in countless conflict and political outbursts and episodes, it isn't intelligent to ignore the impact that social media has on political and military landscapes, especially since so much of the world is so young and has grown up using these networks as primary means of social communication and informational dissemination. Once again, just because you can't see the value in them doesn't mean that terrorist groups haven't been happily utilizing them to spread their messages and recruit youth into their forces, why you think we shouldn't fight back against that or pay attention to such tools is more than a bit beyond me. |
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MHO should just send over a "Reset Button" to Libya and all will be well. There won't even be a need for any childish hashtags.
How would everything be all well if Libya was engaged in a long lasting civil war with Gaddafi at the head of things? Having celebrities hold up signs with douche chill inducing sayings is a cure all.. ...? I have no idea what you are attempting to reference. I only use junk like twitter to examine terrorism chatter. So you don't want to Bring Back "Our" Girls or Stop Koney? So you are talking about twitter then. In that case I'll say that many terrorist organizations rely on twitter for recruitment and the dissemination of propaganda, ignoring the platform simply because you thinks it silly, is dumb. |
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MHO should just send over a "Reset Button" to Libya and all will be well. There won't even be a need for any childish hashtags.
How would everything be all well if Libya was engaged in a long lasting civil war with Gaddafi at the head of things? Having celebrities hold up signs with douche chill inducing sayings is a cure all.. ...? I have no idea what you are attempting to reference. I only use junk like twitter to examine terrorism chatter. |
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Children are less than slaves in the world of Islam. The incident where little Saudi girls ran out of a burning boarding school in their night clothes, only to be sent back in by the religious police epitomizes Muslim morality. Islamic virtue determined it was better to let those little girls burn to death than to have them tempt Muslim perverts. Islamic hierarchy values religious leaders, terrorist leaders, influential Muslim men and camels. Everyone and everything else is as disposable as yesterday’s garbage.
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Manufacturing terror to gain support for domestic and foreign policies that we would otherwise not support, sort of like the neocon new Pearl Harbor. Thank you government.
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while any deviation from he status quo is a level of security that is unknown, and potentially much worse (especially given the state of affairs in the larger middle east). 3.) That isn't really true. We do have a more known visual of that in the West Bank under the Palestinian Authority and Abbas. 4.) By maintaining the status quo (which is expansion into occupied territories and increasingly worse political and economic rights perspectives for Palestinians) Israel only empowers Hamas. The Hamas political wing has been less thrilled about the current fighting, but the Qassam Brigade is certainly up in arms about it. It is good PR for them and the longer that Israel keeps the occupation the stronger Hamas can become and the weaker that peaceful factions like Abbas become (who are increasingly seen as passive in the face of Israeli abuses at best and downright Israeli puppets at worse). 5.) The above realities means that the status quo is unsustainable in the area of security. However you think meaningful peace talks will effect security, I can guarantee you that security will worsen in the long run if the West Bank breaks down into a Third Intifada. And that's another thing, we know exactly what will happen security wise if things don't improve. We already saw that outcome in the Second Intifada. 6.)It isn't just about security from Palestinians, but security issues when it comes to addressing global jihadism and terrorism as well. The conflict not only decreases security for Israel, but also for Western Europe and the US as the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is one of the primary PR and propaganda tools used within Jihadi circles to justify mass attacks against the west and to stir up anti-western fervor. |
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It has more to do with power groupings and how coalitions have to be formed within Israel and the desire to simply occupy the land regardless of the security challenges that doing so creates. All the proof one needs is Israel's continued refusal to halt settlement expansion despite the fact that the Michell Report clearly indicated it as one of the single largest contributing factors to instability that led to the Second Intifada. (that's also why Bush's Road Map for Peace plan had Israel halting settlement expansion as its first phase of a peace process).
"Security" concerns are an obfuscation tactic that has long been used by Israeli administrations to divert attention away from other relevant issues and as an excuse to act militarily during times in which they are losing ground diplomatically.
I don't understand what you mean. As far as israel is concerned, the status quo is a level of security that they know and they can tolerate. while any deviation from he status quo is a level of security that is unknown, and potentially much worse (especially given the state of affairs in the larger middle east). any actions taken towards a two state solution are not guarantees of a lasting peace (as far as israel is concerned), they are just movements away from the status quo. could the most well-meaning palestinian government guarantee peace? is it worth it for israel to find out? obviously a guaranteed peace would be wonderful. but you can't really guarantee that kind of thing in this situation. in the end the palestinians will get what they want, because this is ridiculously unsustainable. but it won't be for a while and a lot of people will die first. just the way it is. A couple of things: 1.) According to Israel they can't tolerate it, which is fine, I wouldn't tolerate rocket attacks on my citizens either. 2.) Your argument I think rests on the premise that the situation is stable and unlikely to change for the worse (in terms of security). I would strongly disagree with that as Salafi Jihadi groups grow in strength in the area (particularly in the Sinai and Gaza). |
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It looks like Egypt may broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
It's unlikely to last long. Not unless Israel releases the hundreds of people it arbitrarily detained in the West Bank roundup it engaged in when looking for the missing students, and unless it eases the blockade restrictions of Gaza considerably. I suppose I should also say unless Egypt eases up a bit on material transfers into Gaza as well. Egypt played its part in the decay of the 2012 ceasefire too. I agree with you here. Israel, Egypt, and the Palestinians all need to do their part. Israel should increase its contact with the Arab League in order to find a more just and peaceful solution to the conflict. That's really the only way to get me to shut up. |
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It looks like Egypt may broker a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas.
It's unlikely to last long. Not unless Israel releases the hundreds of people it arbitrarily detained in the West Bank roundup it engaged in when looking for the missing students, and unless it eases the blockade restrictions of Gaza considerably. I suppose I should also say unless Egypt eases up a bit on material transfers into Gaza as well. Egypt played its part in the decay of the 2012 ceasefire too. |
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Pretty sad no one told you your grandmother had passed away for a week.
Made me think of this though.
Maybe around 2002 was out in CO for a week visiting a lady friend. Was there for 2 days and just felt odd about being there. Something just made me feel like I should be home Couldn't explain it. Decided to change my flight and return home the next day.
Returned home without telling anyone in the family. Got in late and everyone was asleep. Within minutes of walking in and putting down my luggage the phone rang. Was my aunt calling to tell my mother that her father had just passed.
And if you got that strange feeling and didn't go home, the next day they would have told you about the call and you would have said "I knew I should have gone home!" And if you got that strange feeling and didn't go home and he didn't die, you would have A) forgotten about the strange feeling and it wouldn't have been strange at all, or B) found something else to attribute the feeling to. I'm missing the point of your anecdotal story. What would have been interesting is if you would have gotten a strange feeling "oh my god my grandfather just died!" and then the phone rang saying he died. But getting a strange feeling then finding something to attribute it to isn't strange at all. |
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Then both sides really need to change their thinking.
The United States and its voters need to change their thinking. Pressure works and we simply aren't in a strong enough position domestically to be able to put pressure on Israeli administrations to adhere to a peace deal. |
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the second work thanks. Why you blame NATO for Arab killing themselves ?
If you read the article you will understand that NATO actions brings oonly chaos to the world.... |
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Here's my peace process plan:
Point 1: Israel withdraws from the West Bank. In exchange, Israel gets 2 Los Angeles Class submarines, 10 F-22s, and 20 F-35s. Afterwards, it annexes all of East Jersualem and gives Arabs living their equal rights as Israeli citiizens. It then annexes the Golan Heights and gives everyone there equal rights as Israeli citizens.
Point 2: Mahmoud Abbas cuts ties with Hamas in exchange for an Israeli guarantee to never expand territory, even after winning any future defensive wars.
Point 3: Israel agrees to never expand territory as long as the Golan Heights, pre-1967 Israel, and a united Jerusalem (East and West) are recognized as Israeli and Ramallah becomes the Palestinian capitol.
Point 4: Israel makes peace with the Palestinians and with all of its neighbors and they work together financially and politically.
That is my 4 point plan.
Israel would never agree to this, and even if Netanyahu had a stroke and said ok his government would collapse the minute he did so. His current governing coalition depends on continued occupation of the West Bank and continued settlement expansion. To give that up would be to resign as PM. Israel is a small country that is vulnerable on all of its borders. That is why it is doing what it is doing. I feel that we should never negotiate with Hamas. Negotiating with Hamas is like negotiating with Ayman Al Zawahari. We do not negotiate with Al Qaeda just like we should not negotiate with Hamas. Hamas's control of Gaza makes it harder for Israel to do anything else other than what it is doing. Neither side would agree to this. Palestinians are unlikely to give up their claim to Eastern Jerusalem, especially when international law supports said claim, and Israel wouldn't recognize 1967 borders even if they received eastern Jerusalem city proper. in exchange. |
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http://us.cnn.com/2014/07/20/world/libya-fighting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2to me is working.... Fighting intensifies in Libya, airport control at stake (CNN) -- Fierce fighting raged on the outskirts of Tripoli on Sunday as militias continued to battle for control of the airport in what's being called the worst fighting in Libya since the 2011 revolution.
Clashes were concentrated around the airport, the airport road and a number of residential areas where militias have fought over the past week, residents said.
At least five people have been killed, one local official said.
The latest assaults were launched by militias from the city of Misrata and an Islamist militia umbrella group in the capital known as the "Libyan Revolutionaries Operations Room."
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The airport has been under the control of militia from the Western Mountains city of Zintan for the past three years.
According to residents in different parts of Tripoli, thick plumes of black smoke rose from the direction of the airport and large blasts and gunfire echoed across the city.
Speaking by phone to Libyan television on Sunday, a spokesman for the municipal council of Qasr Bin Ghasheer, the area around the airport, said at least five people from the area had been killed in the fighting so far.
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The spokesman, Mohammed Abdul Rahman, said it was hard to get an accurate casualty figure because of the intensity of fighting and limited movement in the area.
"Shells are falling on houses, children are terrified and most people have evacuated. ... Our area is suffering," he told the privately run al-Nabaa TV.
There was no official overall casualty figure for the fighting in other areas impacted over the last seven days.
At the airport, the Libyan government said 90% of planes parked there were damaged and images on social media showed various parts of the facility destroyed.
The United Nations and other international organizations and businesses have temporarily evacuated staff from Libya.
The U.S. Embassy in Tripoli said in a statement that some rounds from the fighting have hit near the compound, but all personnel "are safe and accounted for." It called for an end to the violence.
Addressing the U.N. Security Council on Thursday, Tarek Mitri, head of its mission in Libya, issued a stark warning.
"As the number of military actors mobilizing and consolidating their presence within the capital continues to grow, there is a mounting sense of a probable imminent and significant escalation in the conflict. The stakes are high for all sides," Mitri said.
"We are in the middle of an all-out confrontation between two major rival groups in the Libyan capital. That confrontation, born out of the deep political polarization, is playing itself out at the country's international airport." Mitri said.
Libya's Foreign Minister Mohamed Abdulaziz also addressed the Security Council. He warned of Libya heading toward becoming a "failed state."
Abdulaziz said Libya needed more international support and asked the United Nations to consider a "stabilization and institution-building mission."
He insisted that his country was not requesting foreign military intervention.
The Libyan Interim Government said earlier in the week it was discussing the possibility of requesting international forces.
Three years after the revolution and NATO military intervention that overthrew the Gadhafi regime, a weak central government has been outgunned by increasingly powerful militias.
The militia fighting for control of the airport from the city of Zintan and Misrata are among the most heavily armed in the country.
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Here's my peace process plan:
Point 1: Israel withdraws from the West Bank. In exchange, Israel gets 2 Los Angeles Class submarines, 10 F-22s, and 20 F-35s. Afterwards, it annexes all of East Jersualem and gives Arabs living their equal rights as Israeli citiizens. It then annexes the Golan Heights and gives everyone there equal rights as Israeli citizens.
Point 2: Mahmoud Abbas cuts ties with Hamas in exchange for an Israeli guarantee to never expand territory, even after winning any future defensive wars.
Point 3: Israel agrees to never expand territory as long as the Golan Heights, pre-1967 Israel, and a united Jerusalem (East and West) are recognized as Israeli and Ramallah becomes the Palestinian capitol.
Point 4: Israel makes peace with the Palestinians and with all of its neighbors and they work together financially and politically.
That is my 4 point plan.
Israel would never agree to this, and even if Netanyahu had a stroke and said ok his government would collapse the minute he did so. His current governing coalition depends on continued occupation of the West Bank and continued settlement expansion. To give that up would be to resign as PM. |
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That's exactly what IS going to happen though with the peace process. Still a horrible and completely irrelevant comparison. This suggests that the situation in Gaza is a rather two dimensional one surrounding rocket fire. It isn't and never has been.
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Israel engaged in declarations of war against Egypt (Lavon Affair), Syria (bombing of the headwater damn) and Jordan (Operation Shredder) all prior to the official first strikes of the 6 Day War. Calling the 6 Day War a defensive war for Israel would be like calling the US invasion of Iraq a defensive war for the US.
While I am sorry for what happened during the Lavon Affair and the U.S.S. Liberty Incident (my heart goes out to all the sailors killed and wounded), just as my heart goes out to victims of LSD experiments and syphilis experiments, I feel that Israel is doing things in good faith. They do not want to be stuck in an intractable conflict. That is why I am proposing solutions rather than sitting on the sidelines and saying nothing is going to happen and saying that they should just keep fighting. I want both sides to reconcile their differences rather than continue to be in a perpetual state of war. Because a peace process threatened their much more highly valued territorial holdings in the West Bank and Eastern Jerusalem. Has always been a poor comparison because we aren't doing to Mexico what Israel has been doing to Gaza. |
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Israel engaged in declarations of war against Egypt (Lavon Affair), Syria (bombing of the headwater damn) and Jordan (Operation Shredder) all prior to the official first strikes of the 6 Day War. Calling the 6 Day War a defensive war for Israel would be like calling the US invasion of Iraq a defensive war for the US.
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