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641  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 21, 2013, 01:37:08 PM
the kind of stupid shit you guys waste your money on..
I think that trade with extremely caution has indicate perfectly who you are .
642  Other / Off-topic / HSBC banking system UK went down.. on: June 21, 2013, 01:29:01 PM
Is this mean that Banking system some time are even worse than BTC, they will went down without give your a explanation!!!
This really bother me, my friend intend to transfer money into my account, and we can't do it due to this unexpected system went down!!!

For P2P currency, I think the system will never went down as long as there are people connect to the internet!!
643  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 21, 2013, 02:28:56 AM


I think it's safe to assume that the recent 'black-outs' were in fact upgrades.


We will see another price increase tomorrow.  Wink
644  Economy / Securities / Re: Future of ASICMINER-PT and other Mining shares/PTs on: June 21, 2013, 02:07:54 AM
I think BASIC MINING would be a good short.

I think if you wish to make money in BTC stock market than AM is the only option as long as I have seen.

BASIC MINING has just tripled its share value in the past few weeks.

Doubled over last night.
Basic mining's dividend is about 3% a year at today's level, I would not call this as a competitive competitor. and for majority AM shareholder's need a stock that can at least average trading over 100BTC per day,and the liquidity provides by those stock are not meet this requirement , but I would to see if KNC really IPO at bitfunder,then it will affecting AM's price, but consider KNC only produce hardware, they do not mining, so this question needs take further analysis.
I suggest do not buying Basic mining at this price level, not only it has very low dividend compare with AM ,and its price more likely to be correct in the future.
645  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 21, 2013, 01:53:52 AM
That is a very low price, it will probably go up when it is more established.
No need to sell now though, as soon as the equipment comes the prices will be about the same and prices should rise together.

This is my thought as well.  But to be honest, you can never count on reasonable things to happen in the world of bitcoin.  If the right group of kids users finds this bond and sees the word ASIC in the description, they might bid it up to 3BTC for no apparent reason.  Also, on the flip side of that, if the right group of kids bond owners flips out over difficulty rise, they might sell off their holdings to bring the value down to 0.000001BTC.

I would not be surprised if I see both of these scenarios happen within a an hour from each other.


Disclaimer - I currently own PAJKA bonds.


Guys into 0.04 age, the droop is so quickly....Please buy more because this is the best ever time to buying PAJKA bond...You know I am mock on you.. where is the professional investor Frunmp ?? He said that PAJKA  price will be back to 0.94,I really want to ask u ,mate did you sold all those shares which get from me by making any profit????Shame on you, ignoring the truths and making nonsense statement which aimed to deceive other innocent investors !!!I should give a scamer tag on you!!! he makes nonsense statement and argue with my correct prediction, Finally I made right prediction to the market and avoid my loss ,and I should thanks to my finance teacher they gives me knowledge to make this prediction, but you ask me to return my tuition fee, what funny?

 Once again,people do not listen to anyone intend to be a professional investors in this forum, those guys are sucks and they are often doing this behave on their benefit!

Frunmp wake up , your preciousness PAJKA bond is on sale, only 0.4...GO and buy everything possible, this may be the only chance in your life to get your preciousness PAJKA bond at this discount, what hell you waiting for ? go sale your old wife, go sale your house , go sale everything you have , opportunity does not repeat again!!!mate ~~~~


Nobody was talking to you, wtf are you even babbling on about?  ignored.
I mock on you ,Did you fell shame that selling your defects products to innocent people?
And you are marking that AM share price is bubble , if AM is in bubble , then PAJKA must be a totally crashed bubble and soon become dust ,your money will become dust as well.... I can't understand why you guys are continuing talking bullshit for whatever reason, reality is there, AM is ok but PAJKA is dead.  If AM shareholders are kids, then we are young we will survive, You old people holding PAJKA ,then gone together with PAJKA.
646  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 21, 2013, 01:06:25 AM
Hashrate is increasing...last 6 hours is 46TH...
Does friedcat go to upgrade some facilities ? and even adding more hashrate into his date center?
647  Economy / Securities / Re: Future of ASICMINER-PT and other Mining shares/PTs on: June 21, 2013, 12:55:49 AM
Ok, so I am in for ฿2.74 which is not that bad. Thanks to selloffs and uncertainty.

you could've gotten it for below BTC2.7 at the lowest point.

I've bought few PTs for 2.8 and later 2.6 Smiley I am little worried that if KNC or someone else will come with better hardware those 20% of ASICMINER's market will go down with PTs heading south. Also I am interested about competition.
I hope that you understand ,Most of the integrated circuit manufactures in China is capable to produce at 40nm technical  , KNC is using 28nm.(not a huge differences ,and I believe China has manufacture can produce this at 28nm too.)for integrated circuit producing, it would be roughly the same process to producing 110nm  (Technical used in first Generation Blade)and 28nm ,it only different in the production equipment involved .and also consider the cost advantage in China and availability of production equipment and technicians. Still should not worry about it too much.
In facts the missing hashrate is backed , other things should be consider is as long as there are not competitors in the exchange ,this still are good assets, even it dividend been drooped 50% , it still the best assets generate positive value to its shareholders. The only things is some people are often too sensitive about the price fluctuation and often fell panic when they see the price drooped significantly.
I think if you wish to make money in BTC stock market than AM is the only option as long as I have seen.
I was spreading this information before, since some one said go to get PMB , because its dividend looks like better than AM, but they did not consider about its dividend is far less than the value depreciated of its contract , which you can look at PAJKA bond.
AM is a company in Shenzhen ,GuangDong province China. this province is famous of assembly electrical products. The most apple products is produced in this province too. 

My point is do not worry, if there are not other assets generated positive value, then AM still in the dominant position , for those selling shares today is equal to make a panic loss and give up their future benefit.  of course , if you planed to leave the BTC exchange than it will be another story.    
648  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 20, 2013, 09:48:05 PM
Rolling blackouts only make sense if the power plants are running near maximum capacity, which they should not be doing at night.
or if they have a major issue...

down here in Mexico, we get blackouts at night all the time.  usually when there is wind or thunderstorms.  It can be like that for days afterwards, where the power barely comes back enough to run 1/2 your stuff.

I believe there is throttled electricity at night in parts of India too. Now one would assume Friedcat would have explored the area's power grid before setting up shop. But this is the first summer for public ASICMINER correct? Possibility.


ASICMINER is located in Shenzhen, which was the first Special Economic Zone in China in the '80s and has been so ever since. The city is located just north of Hong Kong. My guess is that the power supply in each of the SEZ's is better than in the rest of mainland China. And I highly doubt that ASICMINER's datacenter doesn't have sufficient backup power.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenzhen_Special_Economic_Zone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Economic_Zones_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

Actually it is not unusual for China to require factories to shut down 1-2 days per week during periods of peak power demand.  And that includes the special economic zones.
Someone understand that happening must be a Chinese expert...
649  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 20, 2013, 09:38:42 PM
Please do us a favor and let us know when you're going to sell, we'll be happy to be there when the price falls!
If you really do, then you can just put a buy order at the preferred price...

If you put buy order I will go for it .... but should be below some level, like 2.7...I really happy to pick up...
650  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 20, 2013, 09:25:58 PM
That is a very low price, it will probably go up when it is more established.
No need to sell now though, as soon as the equipment comes the prices will be about the same and prices should rise together.

This is my thought as well.  But to be honest, you can never count on reasonable things to happen in the world of bitcoin.  If the right group of kids users finds this bond and sees the word ASIC in the description, they might bid it up to 3BTC for no apparent reason.  Also, on the flip side of that, if the right group of kids bond owners flips out over difficulty rise, they might sell off their holdings to bring the value down to 0.000001BTC.

I would not be surprised if I see both of these scenarios happen within a an hour from each other.


Disclaimer - I currently own PAJKA bonds.


Guys into 0.04 age, the droop is so quickly....Please buy more because this is the best ever time to buying PAJKA bond...You know I am mock on you.. where is the professional investor Frunmp ?? He said that PAJKA  price will be back to 0.94,I really want to ask u ,mate did you sold all those shares which get from me by making any profit????Shame on you, ignoring the truths and making nonsense statement which aimed to deceive other innocent investors !!!I should give a scamer tag on you!!! he makes nonsense statement and argue with my correct prediction, Finally I made right prediction to the market and avoid my loss ,and I should thanks to my finance teacher they gives me knowledge to make this prediction, but you ask me to return my tuition fee, what funny?

 Once again,people do not listen to anyone intend to be a professional investors in this forum, those guys are sucks and they are often doing this behave on their benefit!

Frunmp wake up , your preciousness PAJKA bond is on sale, only 0.4...GO and buy everything possible, this may be the only chance in your life to get your preciousness PAJKA bond at this discount, what hell you waiting for ? go sale your old wife, go sale your house , go sale everything you have , opportunity does not repeat again!!!mate ~~~~
651  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 20, 2013, 05:14:03 PM


On the verge of another hashrate drop?

http://www.dpcapital.net/blockchain/?hours=1,2,4,8
Just variance...or you can use it to convincing others people selling their shares ...I would happy to buy them ~~~
652  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 20, 2013, 03:04:47 PM
Seriously suggesting FriedCat moving all direct share to a online exchange ,this will largely increase the liquidity and also release work for FriedCat!

But if he did that, they would no longer be direct!  The point of the direct shares is to remove that 2nd layer of insecurity...
I think if the asset is issued by FC ,than it will be same as direct shares since you do not rely on any third persons.
653  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 20, 2013, 03:03:10 PM
Seriously suggesting FriedCat moving all direct share to a online exchange ,this will largely increase the liquidity and also release work for FriedCat!

But if he did that, they would no longer be direct!  The point of the direct shares is to remove that 2nd layer of insecurity...
Or may be he could set-up a exchange by hims self that only sell and buy direct shares ,let the system helps him transfer it.

I have no ideal some one bought one direct shares and ask him to transfer, I think this just ridiculous and will really bother him
He need to focus on some big issue ,rather than dealing with those bothering transaction.
654  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 20, 2013, 02:11:58 PM
Seriously suggesting FriedCat moving all direct share to a online exchange ,this will largely increase the liquidity and also release work for FriedCat!
655  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 19, 2013, 11:11:15 PM
IF all checks, and it seems to be pointing that way, Avalon is going to ship batch 2 & 3 without delay between - that's 600 + 600 units entering the market in the not too distant future.
1200 units at 60GH each = 72TH increase in the "soon" future (My take is 45 days.)
Not counting chips.
With 100TH and others joining the fray, get ready for a bumpy ride.
No matter how they changed, things did by Avalon now is long -time before did by Friedcat
FC has most of his devices are not currently in works I guessed may be some issues there.
656  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 19, 2013, 08:21:51 PM
sold at 2.89 bought at 2.65 for my entire stash (only 20 shares but still!)
Cool man , if this situation repeat everyday you will soon double your shares.
657  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 19, 2013, 08:20:15 PM
anyway it seems to me that some of the "investors" here are like kids and they start panicking at a slightly lower dividend. I mean everybody knew that the dividends are going to be lower this week. Alright, the speculator weak hands will shake and we can get cheaper shares...

OH yeah - I've increased my holdings nicely today, playing the admittedly dangerous high/low game.  That's a healthy "dividend" that more than makes up for the decrease in dividends.  And if my purchases gave someone some relief from their nerves, then it's a win for them, too.
Me too. Get a extra 4 shares this much much better than dividend ...
658  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER Speculation Thread on: June 19, 2013, 08:06:47 PM
Worried about ASICMINER price decline? Lock in a price. I see a PUT option of 6 shares @2.6BTC strike for 0.2BTC premium on btct.co
That's a tempting one, that is.

 Cheesy

Not  a bad price - but I just undercut it to 1.9. for now
Price is backed at 2.8 , so quickly adjust... I think for bid at 1.9 you might need to wait another insane kid panic selling.
659  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 19, 2013, 07:31:19 PM
Yeah, "seems" fixed...

242324    3 minutes    361    5,568.87 BTC    ASICMiner    242.97
242323    12 minutes    693    10,813.03 BTC    BTC Guild    243.37
242322    25 minutes    271    3,705.69 BTC    ASICMiner    101.97
242321    38 minutes    406    3,786.01 BTC    ASICMiner    201.63
Wowing....I feel sad for those selling at 2.6 Cheesy
660  Economy / Securities / Re: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It on: June 19, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
Selling now probably equals: Miss a few weeks of income AND you probably have to buy it back at a higher price when the new blade sales begin... double loss Undecided

I'm at least holding them and enjoying my divs every week Smiley no matter how low/high Grin

that's actually a very good point.  Sure, selling at 3 and buying at 2.5 is great, but it is only possible in hindsight.  The price is climbing back up, and for those that sold at ~2.6, they probably can't get back in without a loss.

It's always easy to trade in hindsight, but the reality is that no one knows what is going to happen in the future.  We all knew there was going to be a share slump (some people didn't want to admit it), but no one knew how much.
I am glad buying a 40 shares average at 2.65 seems a bit higher than other.. but I believe this a good time ..
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