He said that PAJKA price will be back to 0.94
Uhm... Again, please provide me with a link. You make a claim, you should back it up. I'm exposing your lies as they come in, and gee, I think I'll be here all night... I really want to ask u ,mate did you sold all those shares which get from me by making any profit?  I did. And doesn't that sting a bit? .b Liar , totally liar , look at the price trend it never ever exceeding my average selling price ,which is 0.094~ Deleted Post « Sent to: SOSLOVE868 on: Today at 03:18:46 AM » Reply with quote Delete A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by the starter of a self-moderated topic. There are no rules of self-moderation, so this deletion cannot be appealed. Do not continue posting in this topic if the topic-starter has requested that you leave. You can create a new topic if you are unsatisfied with this one. If the topic-starter is scamming, post about it in Scam Accusations. Quote Quote from: furuknap on June 22, 2013, 10:00:54 PM Quote from: Mabsark on June 22, 2013, 09:43:35 PM There's plenty of profit to made, even if difficulty did increase 10% each round. You just have to stop trying to make obscene amounts of profit for yourself. A Metabank BitFury provides 120 Gh/s for 2,160 USD. You'll be offering 100,000 shares at 0.004 BTC for a total of 400 BTC. You are, of course, free to buy a miner yourself, host it, maintain it, replace it if it fails, leave aside buffers for unforeseen maintenance, and essentially commit yourself to always be online during difficulty changes for as long as the bond exist. You must also always leave a buffer large enough to pay for at a minimum one week of dividends, which will be around 30BTC. Your estimates are way low, but of course this is turning a profit for me. Do you think I would give it away at cost and work for free just to be a nice guy? You'll need to find someone willing to sell, of course, who would be fine with accepting that paying for a pre-order with the risks involved (remember, I paid for this before the chips were done and anyone knew whether they would work at all) will not yield a reward. Investors could have accepted that risk when they had the chance, but they didn't. Of course, you are comparing raw materials to finished product. You must feel cheated when you buy a car that is made of $1000 worth of aluminium and you have to pay 20x that much. After all, car manufacturers are trying to make an obscene amount of profit for themselves. What you are arguing is that investing in a potential gold mine is a waste of time because the mine owner should just sell the mine once gold is discovered for the rate he himself paid. The risk the mine owner assumes by buying a license, not knowing whether there is gold or crap in the ground, should not have any upside, according to you. But the final argument is really this: If I believe this mine will turn a profit at 0.004, why on earth would I sell it for less? I would give money to investors that I would otherwise mine for myself. So, your opinion and objection is duly noted, in public, and I believe investors are capable of both reading and making informed decisions based on your arguments and mine. .b Quote from: furuknap on June 05, 2013, 04:40:07 PM SOS, to be honest, I think perhaps you may want to relax a bit in your investments. It is clear that you don't accurately grasp all the factors and that you may need to work on your math a bit to avoid burning yourself on your investments and losing money. This isn't relevant to PAJKA, though, so I suggest you look elsewhere for some general advice. Perhaps investing in a fund is a better option for you? .b This what you said to me When I sold my fund, after I explain what is my perception about PMBs and you are trying to argue with me , before that I though you just a guy who are stubborn, now I realize by trying to convincing other people PMBs is a good deal ,then start issue you own PMB to cheating people is your deep plan , this nice ,now I understand why you spend your time to argue with anyone who know the truth that PMB is bull shit to stop them become block of your cheating plan ~~very nice move , really This liar is deleted what the truth I have posted in his thread~if he did anything right , what should he doing that? |
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Shouldn't "my asset is better priced" have read "my asset was better priced" - as you explain how it USED TO BE better priced then somehow change tense to the present as though it still was? You were asked why people should buy it NOW - not why they should (maybe) have bought it a week back when it was more competitively priced (had the opportunity been available).
Valid point, but with the bonus, I believe that a TAT.VM priced at 0.004 and a BFMines priced at 0.004 will give BFMines an advantage still. I'll hang on to semantics for a little while, if you don't mind :-) Also, like I mentioned, the expectation of the upcoming asset may very well have driven prices down (more so with DMS.* as explained). It may not be a coincidence that TAT.VM seems to have stabilized around the price that I will charge. I do not know what the market thinks. Really, I do expect the market to value this as they see fit. Maybe they won't find the risk of late delivery being worth the bonus, maybe they will. I expect the market, sans my friend SOSLOVE, to intelligently evaluate this asset. In fact, I sell this asset to decades-long close friends because I do believe it will offer a reasonable reward. If I were to scam them, I would lose their friendship quite rapidly. .b SOS, to be honest, I think perhaps you may want to relax a bit in your investments. It is clear that you don't accurately grasp all the factors and that you may need to work on your math a bit to avoid burning yourself on your investments and losing money.
This isn't relevant to PAJKA, though, so I suggest you look elsewhere for some general advice. Perhaps investing in a fund is a better option for you?
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This what you told me to be not too worry about PAJKA BOND, and truth is I made my goal right ~!!! Now you starting to spreading that PMBs are good investment , to ensure your cheating plan go succeed.. If you could gives maturity date in your bond contracts...then I will stop my posting , do not exploiting those people who are not very experienced whit trading stock in BTC. You really should ashamed of yourself... God will punishing you, I know at your age , that two nearly to go , one is haven and other is hell. if you continue impose your cheating PMB , I think the later is the only place for you. |
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Again ,this liar...
You still have not offered even a shred of evidence, except you reading an article of mine, that would indicate, much less prove, that I have lied to you. .b Shit , did you understand what means by about? please go back and study with this basic English. |
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In fact, rather than the overly pessimistic and ambiguous 'for months', it is equally likely that the miners arrive in just a few weeks, before BFL, Avalon, and KnC. If that is the case, that bonus is going to be worth more.
I was just going by what your CONTRACT says : "The bond is backed by miners that have yet to be released. The scheduled release is September 2013." It's now June. September is 3 months away. That's months. If your contract states something then I'm perfectly entitled to quote it when discussing your contract. Expecting an ASIC manufacturer to ship ahead of schedule flies in the face of all past experience. The closest was Avalon who sent a couple of prototype machines on time and pretended that was shipping. I think I mentioned this previously, but I don't want to overpromise by saying August. Metabank has said August, so I'm going to not promise anything more than that to account for possible delays. You're right, though, and it could be even worse if the miner is delayed. That risk was, in my opinion, reduced considerably today when 100TH announced they would start rolling out next week. .b Again ,this liar is ask you to spend 20 times more to buy over his pre-order , and if metabank delaying this order, He make profit on this 20x selling, if metabank delivery before September , then He can execute by his contract, start mining without giving dividend to those stupid people who bought his contracts. Very very smart move !~~ |
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Are you sure? You made profit ?Since I sold my contracts , the price never above what I sold...
...and more lies. 2013-06-07 21:25:34 PAJKA.BOND sell 16 0.06 0.00192 0.95808
2013-06-07 21:25:33 PAJKA.BOND sell 4 0.0605 0.000484 0.241516
2013-06-07 21:25:32 PAJKA.BOND sell 4 0.061 0.000488 0.243512
2013-06-07 21:25:31 PAJKA.BOND sell 15 0.07 0.0021 1.0479
2013-06-07 21:25:29 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.072 0.000144 0.071856
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and so on...
Of course, since then, the price has been above this point several times, so yeah, it would be pretty easy to earn money off your stupidity. You are victim of PMBs, but you realize that then you issuing other PMB , is that you trying to cover what you loss on PAJKA by issuing this PMB?
Very Smart move, but I will try my best to prevent innocent people hurt by your defect PMB.
Victim? I'm not a victim here, except of your blatant lies and libelous slander. .b +1. according to today DMS.MINING price ,that 1 M/hash is worth 0.003 BTC. Furuknap , you are issued asset at 0.004 and mining a month later, and you call this not a cheating ? And you sell's your future order for 20x than now...you really think people are stupid ? I really hope that BTCT.CO could do something to stop that... Below is my transaction of selling PAJKA bond. I only sold a little amount of my contracts at what this liar stated above. I used to have 440 PAJKA Contracts in total .... he continued use this minority amount of selling as a sample to convince I made huge loss... anyone please check below [2013-06-07 21:25:34 PAJKA.BOND sell 16 0.06 0.00192 0.95808 2013-06-07 21:25:33 PAJKA.BOND sell 4 0.0605 0.000484 0.241516 2013-06-07 21:25:32 PAJKA.BOND sell 4 0.061 0.000488 0.243512 2013-06-07 21:25:31 PAJKA.BOND sell 15 0.07 0.0021 1.0479 2013-06-07 21:25:29 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.072 0.000144 0.071856 2013-06-07 21:25:25 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.072 0.000144 0.071856 2013-06-07 21:25:23 PAJKA.BOND sell 3 0.0721 0.0004326 0.2158674 2013-06-07 21:25:22 PAJKA.BOND sell 10 0.073 0.00146 0.72854 2013-06-07 21:25:22 PAJKA.BOND sell 6 0.073001 0.00087601 0.43712998 2013-06-07 21:00:38 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.089631 0.00017926 0.08945173 2013-06-06 21:19:23 PAJKA.BOND sell 10 0.095 0.0019 0.9481 2013-06-06 21:19:21 PAJKA.BOND sell 8 0.095 0.00152 0.75848 2013-06-06 11:48:31 PAJKA.BOND sell 10 0.101 0.00202 1.00798 2013-06-06 06:55:26 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.101 0.000202 0.100798 2013-06-06 04:52:51 PAJKA.BOND sell 25 0.099 0.00495 2.47005 2013-06-06 04:52:49 PAJKA.BOND sell 10 0.0991 0.001982 0.989018 2013-06-06 04:52:48 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.099101 0.0001982 0.09890279 2013-06-05 22:38:36 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.106001 0.000212 0.10578899 2013-06-05 18:06:01 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.10897 0.00021794 0.10875206 2013-06-05 04:56:28 PAJKA.BOND sell 5 0.10897 0.0010897 0.5437603 2013-06-05 01:41:59 PAJKA.BOND sell 26 0.10897 0.00566644 2.82755356 2013-06-04 00:11:39 PAJKA.BOND sell 10 0.099 0.00198 0.98802 2013-06-04 00:11:37 PAJKA.BOND sell 20 0.099 0.00396 1.97604 2013-06-04 00:11:34 PAJKA.BOND sell 2 0.0991 0.0003964 0.1978036 2013-06-03 23:29:36 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.109498 0.00021899 0.109279 2013-06-03 22:45:04 PAJKA.BOND buy 2 0.109499 0.00043799 0.21943599 2013-06-03 21:25:22 PAJKA.BOND sell 100 0.102 0.0204 10.1796 2013-06-03 21:25:14 PAJKA.BOND sell 21 0.102001 0.00428404 2.13773695 2013-06-03 21:25:09 PAJKA.BOND sell 5 0.1035 0.001035 0.516465 2013-06-03 21:25:05 PAJKA.BOND sell 25 0.105 0.00525 2.61975 2013-06-03 21:25:01 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.105 0.00021 0.10479 2013-06-03 21:24:56 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.105 0.00021 0.10479 2013-06-03 21:10:22 PAJKA.BOND sell 13 0.1084 0.0028184 1.4063816 2013-06-03 21:10:19 PAJKA.BOND sell 10 0.1086 0.002172 1.083828 2013-06-03 21:10:18 PAJKA.BOND sell 4 0.10861 0.00086888 0.43357112 2013-06-03 21:09:42 PAJKA.BOND sell 9 0.1087 0.0019566 0.9763434 2013-06-03 21:03:39 PAJKA.BOND sell 21 0.109 0.004578 2.284422 2013-06-03 21:03:35 PAJKA.BOND sell 9 0.109 0.001962 0.979038 2013-06-03 19:50:47 PAJKA.BOND sell 40 0.1098 0.008784 4.383216 2013-06-03 19:45:05 PAJKA.BOND sell 1 0.1098 0.0002196 0.1095804 As you see above , I made all sell at average about 0.094 ~~does PAJKA BOND anytime above this ? Please stop lie to people ,and try to cheating their money!!! God will punish you, of course , you will delete what I posted here , because I am ruin your plan to cheating people ! |
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With regards to DMS.Mining, that is a bit of a strange asset that is claimed to behave like a PMB but does so only in terms of dividends. Because of the way it is issued, it will actually carry a double exposure to price changes because those that buy .Purchase gets one vote for PMB and one vote against PMB; they cast two votes effectively. Thus, prices will move more rapidly with the DMS.* assets, and investors need to be extra careful if they plan on mitigating risk by selling at a certain level.
Essentially, my asset is better priced and less risky than other assets, but is essentially (and different from other mining contracts) a bet on how quickly Bitfury and his companions get their chips to market.
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It's a fair point on DMS.MINING price volatility. Because there's no issuer or shortage on the supply side, the price WILL drop to the market's valuation of hash-power far more rapidly than PMBs can. So whilst the behaviour of DMS.MINING does match PMBs, the behaviour of the market in valuing it may well differ. That makes MINING a bad investment for those whose plan is to buy something over-priced then sell it even more over-priced to others (a strategy I frequently employ myself - through necessity as the vast majority of securities aren''t actually worth what they trade at). But the argument that because the price won't fall quickly you can make more profit/less loss by selling higher isn't quite that simple. If the price is maintained at above value then the loss represented by the difference doesn't disappear - it just gets passed on to the next owner. At some stage someone ends up actually bearing that loss (even if it's only a loss in the sense of less profit). And, as we're seeing, the existence of DMS.MINING is having a knock-on effect in forcing revaluation of PMBs a bit quicker than would otherwise occur - so it becomes risky to rely on a "bigger fool" showing up. Shouldn't "my asset is better priced" have read "my asset was better priced" - as you explain how it USED TO BE better priced then somehow change tense to the present as though it still was? You were asked why people should buy it NOW - not why they should (maybe) have bought it a week back when it was more competitively priced (had the opportunity been available). +1. according to today DMS.MINING price ,that 1 M/hash is worth 0.003 BTC. Furuknap , you are issued asset at 0.004 and mining a month later, and you call this not a cheating ? And you sell's your future order for 20x than now...you really think people are stupid ? I really hope that BTCT.CO could do something to stop that... |
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Well you can buy deprived's offering at .003 BTC/mh or TAT's at .004 BTC/MH right now, so why would anyone buy your PMB and wait several months before seeing anything returned?
Good question, I would encourage you to post it in the official thread as well. First of all, 'several months' may indeed be 'a few weeks'. We don't know. Like I said, 100TH is already planning on starting deployment with these chips next week. It is less and less likely there will be delays, but the contract states September so that I won't be over-promising anything. Second, my bond pays a bonus which is most likely going to be 1.25 months of mining revenue (or just over 5 weeks). This is the likely avenue, but as someone pointed out, if the miner performs above specs (like most ASIC devices) that bonus is higher. At a 10% higher rate, the bonus is closer to 2 months of bonus dividends, but not that this will be dividends from the launch month. Third, when I announced this asset, the competing assets immediately dropped (TAT.VM was trading at just under 0.7 the day before I made the announcement) so the asset pricing included a discount compared to other assets. It is not unlikely that people are bidding down those assets because they know my asset is coming. With regards to DMS.Mining, that is a bit of a strange asset that is claimed to behave like a PMB but does so only in terms of dividends. Because of the way it is issued, it will actually carry a double exposure to price changes because those that buy .Purchase gets one vote for PMB and one vote against PMB; they cast two votes effectively. Thus, prices will move more rapidly with the DMS.* assets, and investors need to be extra careful if they plan on mitigating risk by selling at a certain level. Essentially, my asset is better priced and less risky than other assets, but is essentially (and different from other mining contracts) a bet on how quickly Bitfury and his companions get their chips to market. .b You call $20 USD per G/hashrate , sold by 20X at $400 per G/hash is good investment for people??? OMG, You are making huge benefit out of those people....This why I am posting here. |
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Well you can buy deprived's offering at .003 BTC/mh or TAT's at .004 BTC/MH right now, so why would anyone buy your PMB and wait several months before seeing anything returned?
This guy is mad and regardlessness anything, Just want to cheat people to recover his loss on PAJKA bond... We should say, very smart move for him , but he under-estimate us , he think all of us can not do a proper math. |
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You wrote a article trying to convince me what is PMB, and ask me do not worry about PAJKA bond and explain balabla benefit of holding it..
So, your evidence of me lying is that you read an article I wrote, an article that first of all states: Disclaimer: I’m getting a bit tired of saying this, but please do not take this as financial advice. Do your own research, make sure you understand what you are buying, the risks and rewards involved, and the factors that affect market pricing.
...and that is a lie? What part of that is a lie? Here's the simple truth: You got pissed off that the issuer of PAJKA didn't want to give you more money by increasing dividends. I tried explaining this to you, at which point you threw a fit and sold all your holdings, driving the price down to 0.6. I bought a lot of those shares and later sold at a higher price. I also sold you some of the shares you initially bought when you had no clue about what you were doing. In short, you're pissed at me becuase I earned money off you being a blithering idiot with your investments. Now you have a personal vendetta in which you post blatant lies about me. It's easily refuted, though, because your claims need backing and you aren't able to provide that. .b Are you sure? You made profit ?Since I sold my contracts , the price never above what I sold... The only thing you can confirm you earns money from me is that you can sold it above what your purchased from me ...as long as I see, you are not ...the price is around 0.5, you are loss half of your fund.. You are victim of PMBs, but you realize that then you issuing other PMB , is that you trying to cover what you loss on PAJKA by issuing this PMB? Very Smart move, but I will try my best to prevent innocent people hurt by your defect PMB. |
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You wrote a article trying to convince me what is PMB, and ask me do not worry about PAJKA bond and explain balabla benefit of holding it..
So, your evidence of me lying is that you read an article I wrote, an article that first of all states: Disclaimer: I’m getting a bit tired of saying this, but please do not take this as financial advice. Do your own research, make sure you understand what you are buying, the risks and rewards involved, and the factors that affect market pricing.
...and that is a lie? What part of that is a lie? Here's the simple truth: You got pissed off that the issuer of PAJKA didn't want to give you more money by increasing dividends. I tried explaining this to you, at which point you threw a fit and sold all your holdings, driving the price down to 0.6. I bought a lot of those shares and later sold at a higher price. I also sold you some of the shares you initially bought when you had no clue about what you were doing. In short, you're pissed at me becuase I earned money off you being a blithering idiot with your investments. Now you have a personal vendetta in which you post blatant lies about me. It's easily refuted, though, because your claims need backing and you aren't able to provide that. .b Even a single BTC going to your account will be absolute lose its value ..of course ,once contracts got approved on BTCT.CO , I sure that there will be some naive newbies buying it...What I am doing is trying to smaller this number of newbies become hurt by your contract. Any less BTC going to you pocket will be a victory of what I did today . |
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I really want to beat you up if I could, you absolute a liar , I never seen single person like you who can ignored all truth.
The truth is PMBs lose half of its value and will be more !
So now we've moved to both threats of physical violence and claims without backing. Those are often tools utilized by those who have no arguments at all. I'd be happy to post real evidence of your lies, however, if you'd like that? .b Again, to trying to argue that investments which will loss half of its value in 1 months time are good investments are ridiculousness and those people trying to issuing those bond contracts are greedy ugly people, God will punish you...you can't go to haven , hell is the only place for you . I am happy that you come here and make this thread up...this will makes more people to view it.. this is the only thing you did right , since I know you. |
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I really want to beat you up if I could, you absolute a liar , I never seen single person like you who can ignored all truth.
The truth is PMBs lose half of its value and will be more !
So now we've moved to both threats of physical violence and claims without backing. Those are often tools utilized by those who have no arguments at all. I'd be happy to post real evidence of your lies, however, if you'd like that? .b Come on , Is that you try to post again of what my assumption of Avalon and AM? I have stated that just assumption... Just do it ..... people with right mind will determine the truth , you are a liar!! |
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You think all people are stupid Nope, just you, really. .b Yes , If I listen to you ,then I am absolutely stupid , but I am not... I really want to beat you up if I could, you absolute a liar , I never seen single person like you who can ignored all truth. The truth is PMBs lose half of its value in past month and will be more !! Of course , you will happy to issue PMBs, because today's money borrowed only needs to pay back half in a month time.. Did you fell ashamed about yourself? God will punishing you ,and I think you will nearly going to hell at your age now. Please do something good, ok? do not hurt innocent people by taking their money away, otherwise you really will be punished by God ! |
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Agreed, this is a horrible investment at the offered price. I thought it was okay at first before I realized it only starts hashing in months.
Actually, 100TH just announced that because the chips are working correctly (and these are the same chips used in my miner) they will start deployment next week. https://picostocks.com/docs/index/19Because of the lower hash rate we will have problems to deliver the full 104TH/s performance in the next weeks. Only 35296 chips are expected to be available for the mine next week. This corresponds to only 70TH/s. We are still waiting for the other packaging company to provide us with the estimation of the date for the completion of packaging.
We expect a delay of 1-2 weeks in launching the mine. We assume the initial launch will include only 70TH/s and few days later additional 34TH/s will be installed.
I don't want to overpromise anything, so I won't adjust the contract, but it is more and more likely that the miner will arrive much sooner than September. .b Why don't you cancel your IPO , then you can do it when the miners are arrive? What you are doing right now , you are asking other people to take out the risk which belongs to you and also you 10x over price your future devices. You think all people are stupid |
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You lied to me, then now you start a big project? you want to cheat entire BTC community by issuing you own PMBs? I'm sure you would like to offer evidence about where I lied. .b You ask me to hold PAJKA bond, which I did not listen to you . Look back the one month trend of PAJKA bond, just a perfect evidence to proving you are a liar. Uhm.. I'm not sure how that constitues evidence. Where, exactly (feel free to post the link) did I ask you to hold PAJKA? .b You wrote a article trying to convince me what is PMB, and ask me do not worry about PAJKA bond and explain balabla benefit of holding it.. I just a liar , people can find out the story by last month price trend of PAJKA bonds, and needless to refer back what you say before , because I am too lazy to doing it ... The story is more than essay to understand by anything, if I listen to you , I lose half of my fund now.. |
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Perhaps they shouldn't be investing if they don't know what they are doing  They do not know, this why we should help them , because they are the future of BTC. We should do something to stop those greedy people destroying people's faith in BTC. |
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I would hope this is pretty obvious as he states in the contract... but many people are naive.
I just trying to prevent people make stupid decision, that eventually loss its money.. The Survive of BTC is part depend on those new entry, if they loss their money by buying those PMBs ,then they might leaves this community and would probably never comeback . We can't let the minority of people by issuing those PMBs at this time to hurt majority of people.. Most newbies when they make decision ,they are often do no make right judgement. if one person read my post and stop invest in those bonds ,then it is the victory of myself, I will be proud of what I did today ~ |
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You lied to me, then now you start a big project? you want to cheat entire BTC community by issuing you own PMBs? I'm sure you would like to offer evidence about where I lied. .b You ask me to hold PAJKA bond, which I did not listen to you . Look back the one month trend of PAJKA bond, just a perfect evidence to proving you are a liar. |
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Furuknap, this guy owns a website ,pretend to be a professional investor. He issued this bond contracts that intend to be mining at September 2013, but he issuing his bond contracts in BTCT.CO right now. Not only the value of his contracts is over-priced , he planed to issued 004 per 1M/hashrate which does not backed by any miners right now. This guy ordered his devices for $20 USD per G/hash but he sell his contracts at $400 per G/hash.(You are going to pay 20 times more expensive than directly ordered it from Metabank) I suggesting everyone in this forum should be smart , do not buying his contracts ,not only you will loss its value in very short time for sure and also you will take the risk which original below to this guy!!! if anything happen with his order ,then victims will be you! According to DMS/MINING ,THAT 1M/hashrate is only worth 0.003 BTC which you will receiving dividend from any time after your purchased the contracts. Furuknap will continue posting to everyone that PMBs are good investment , why should he doing this ? This because he will try his best to defend for PMBs are good investment by argue with anyone saying that PMBs are bad investment whichever will stop his greedy cheating plan go succeed. Since , I spend my time here , is trying to prevent newbies from reading his false post and made a wrong decision. The reason I doing this is just because of my conscience. I am once a victim of PMBs , I do not want people repeating the mistake I have made . And there also a trap in his contract , it stated that Mining will start on September 2013, but metabank said will start delivering orders on 1 August, this mean not only you guys are going to take the ship risk which originally belong to him and if metabank deliver its orders before 1 September 2013, then this guy will mining for himself util September 2013. if metabank delayed its orders and in the main time difficulty is increasing , then anyone bought his contracts will be burning by then. Ask people who bought BFL pre-order ,they will tells you what this fells like. I will try my best to keep this post up...to ensure that less people will be hurt by his contract..of course, if you are smart and you want make money with BTC, do not buying PMBs at this time ~~you should wait util when ASIC are totally absorbed by the market. This guy deleted my post in his thread, This makes me no choice that I only can send out information in here~ One month before this man trying to convince me to hold PAJKA bonds, I am glad I have right prediction of what will happen in the future. Thus, I only make 6BTC loss in PAJKA BOND, If I did listen to him, I will loss half of what I have invested in PAJKA BOND , anyone do not believe me you could going to BTCT.CO to look the past 1 month trend of PAJKA BOND. Especially, newbies please do not buying anything you do not understand , I hope that you will have a pleasure time within trading BTC stocks and probably makes profit on it,but not wasting your money on it, for those people issued PMBs at this time should be ashamed on themselves as well as who approved it to trade on exchange. I know BTC will only survive when more and more people will joint to it , I can not let minority of some evil people destroying our community by they take money away from innocent newbies. This will be a huge loss for entire Bitcoin community, if people are leave with lose ,they will never come back and will spreading negative information about trading with BTC stocks, thus the growth of entire BTC stocks will also be affected. I claimed that I do not say PMBs are traps, What I stated is wait util the market totally absorbed the new technology then we should able to buying it again. The right calculator for your to calculating the value of PMBs: http://btc.re/?t=miningcalc |
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I'm in the process of IPOing a new mining contract at 0,004, which I believe is fairly priced. With a 10% monthly increase, that contract will return its IPO value in a year and over three years (with 10%/mnth growth) return 147% for a total of around 16% per year. If difficulty 'just' rose for one year and then flattened out, the return would be around 243% or just under 50% per year.
The problem with that is this: 1. Rises in difficuly early on have a much larger impact than ones later. 2. Your bond doesn't start mining for months - i.e. AFTER the most important rises. 3. 10% rise per month (NOT per change) seems rather unlikely - given the rise when your miner and others from same manufacturer wil ship will far exceed that just on its own. Your bond pays 20% extra for first 6 months after starting, supposedly to make up for not mining already. But a 20% bonus for 6 months in the future is at best 1.25 months at current difficulty IF difficulty didn't rise at all. As you can't mine without difficulty rising (as your miner can't even exist without increasing difficluty) that means it's actually far worse than 1.25 bonus at current difficulty. So if comparing yours to ones already mining investors need to be aware that even with the bonus it represents significantly less payout than 1 MH/S mining already. None of which says it'll never make a profit - it just looks exceedingly unlikely to do so in the sort of time-frames you quoted. Mining is marginally profitable - any markup of more than 10-25% on cost of hardware is rarely going to make a profit (often selling at cost will make a loss). Your math is fine - your assumptions aren't. With avalons arriving, their chips due soon, BFL starting to ship, ASICMINER aorund and (if yours is ever to do anything) KNC (or whatever they're called) also shipping expecting rises of only 10% per month (i.e. under 5% per change) in the short-term is pure fantasy. And that's without the scammier other manufacturers where one or more might turn out to be real. The only thing that would separate my bond from any other mining investment would be item 2 on this list. 100TH announced that they will start rolling out next week, and those are the exact same chips I'm using. 'Not mining for months' may be true still, but it is more likely that Metabank manages to deliver in August when the exact same chips start mining in July. In fact, rather than the overly pessimistic and ambiguous 'for months', it is equally likely that the miners arrive in just a few weeks, before BFL, Avalon, and KnC. If that is the case, that bonus is going to be worth more. I've already accounted for 100TH coming online in my numbers above, where I've expected a network hash rate of 250TH on August 1. Finally, my asset doesn't pay 20% bonus, it pays any excess after expenses. Because we don't know the final specs, but it seems a common patterns that devices like these can be safely overclocked around 10% or perform naturally above specs, that bonus may be higher. If 10% above spec is the result, the bonus may be 50% higher than anticipated. .b You lied to me, then now you start a big project? you want to cheat entire BTC community by issuing you own PMBs? This good, people with right mind will cursed you ,you will going to hell.... |
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