Yeah...I mean I respect Quickseller for what he's done before but now he's starting to just jump on the bandwagon of "blame Vod" people who just start this crap whenever they end up falling from favour in the eyes of the Bitcointalk community. It's really annoying to see this stuff over and over again, the only reason this one is a little more topical is because the OP used to be quite trusted.

I really don't think that market manipulation is as big a thing as some people think it is. Right now having 100k BTC would mean that you have $28.5 million invested into Bitcoin, and I just don't think there's that many people with that kind of money invested into BTC just to manipulate the markets.

Things like willy bot - that's a different story.

Nah, no chance. We're having a bit of trouble hitting even $300 right now, I highly doubt we will hit $500 next month. If we do, it signals a really unsustainable bubble and I would be worried about it either way. Like I said, we need sustainable growth, not a ridiculous bubble that will quickly pop.

No, he shouldn't do that. Did you actually read what I said or what he has said previously?

If he has a legit method and reveals it, no-one will buy from him. Your suggestion would make this thread irrelevant.

I find this hard to believe that this is done by hand for as little as 0.005 BTC. Good acrylic or oil paints aren't exactly, y'know, cheap. Can you show some proof of you actually making this work by hand, e.g. it painted on canvas in real life or a time lapse? Another red flag is the fact it's just a perfectly processed image, rather than say a picture of a piece of artwork you made placed on a table.

That's the thing. I think a good thing for the OP to do would be to verify with an extremely trusted member as to what their method actually is. I have an idea of what it could be, but tbh I'm not entirely sure myself.

Luck is how the gambler makes his profit. Statistics is how the house makes its profit.

Which do you think is going to be more reliable over time?

The function of f(x) where f is a random function of gambling usually means that the domain of f(x) will always be equal to or above negative your maximum bankroll. (Disclaimer: function notation doesn't really apply here, but...)

Or in easier terms, you can lose all of your money or make an amount that tends towards infinity if you're able to.

But it's bad to think of how much you can "earn" from gambling. It's a negative EV game and should be played for fun.

Yep, good to see someone else understands this, I've been saying it a lot. We are not going to get a permanent price rise by simply rising up ridiculously high and forming a bubble, that's what happened when Bitcoin went above $1000 and then promptly lost 75-80% of its value and burned a lot of people. We need a decent but sustainable price rise over time.

You are right there in that that's a part of it, though I believe the fact that every kickstarter clone that has come up that has accepted BTC so far has looked like it has been made in 30 seconds by some cheap outsourcing company. There's plenty of ways to get around volatility, for instance using a payment processor to convert to USD. It cheapens it a bit, but it'd work.

Guess like the $300 today train didn't end up working after all.

That's good though, I don't want to see it accelerate too quickly. It's possible that we could still see BTC reach $300 by the end of this month.

That's true. He still did make off with a ridiculous amount of money, even at the time though. I doubt that would happen today on Bitcointalk, but plenty of obvious ponzis come and scam for much smaller amounts all the time, so you never know if it could happen again or not...

I'm gonna pass here bud, 500 gems won't get me much anyway for the amount of risk I'd have in giving over one of my gmail accounts which could then be used to social engineer my other accounts, etc...

Sorry mate, give it to Sukamasoto

There's plenty of kickstarter clones that accept BTC, but they've all looked and acted rather shabby and none of them have had the same feel as a successful site such as indiegogo or kickstarter. A lot of that is because they fail to provide utilities for project updates, proper reward mechanisms, etc. That's why they're basically all dead.

Exchange barely anyone has actually heard of or used, check.

Yeah...I think I'll pass...

Bitstamp is good enough for me.

You know, I think we've found a winner here boys!

This is truly a work of art. I could write paragraphs, literally paragraphs of useless drivel about how amazing it is. If this doesn't win, I just don't know what will.

Well, in all fairness, many other cryptocurrencies have failed...it's just that we don't like to talk about them as they were generally just creations of greed, invented to make a quick buck.

Mind you, I'm not bashing Bitcoin here. I'm just trying to be the voice of reason, as I hate to see arguments like this which use flawed logic and fallacies.

Ahh, I love that xkcd.

By the way, in case anyone else saw, what the hell just happened on Bitstamp? If you were watching the live counter, it went down about $1.50 in 10 cent or so increments in about 20 seconds, before regaining it almost instantly O_o

This is so strange.

Eh, I'm not sure. I might take the free vouch, the google account I just made a google play acc for and linked to my CoC through bluestacks has nothing important or valuable on it.

I'll think about it.

Well yes, people are, but in all fairness those are usually fake or even just botnet clicks. That doesn't mean that the OP is selling good-quality clicks, but you do usually get what you pay for when it comes to things like 1000 unique clicks for 0.003 BTC.