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661  Economy / Speculation / Re: Time for another bull move on: May 14, 2013, 03:43:38 PM
$1/day is not bad. => +$365 per year. :-) (300%)

While the bubble up to $266 ended in a horrific fireball of a crash, it gave Bitcoin a boat load of exposure. Some of that translated into growth. In a two month span, we had more new users to the forum, more google searches, more client downloads, coverage all over the world (plenty in China). The highs are getting lower, the lows are getting higher. We're finding some balance and things are starting to stabilize a little.

Anyone talking about $30-$40-$50 coins just wants to buy back in on the cheap. It's become wishful thinking by people on the sidelines with pockets full of fiat. I'm sorry they missed the boat, but you can always just go buy a ticket. It's a little more expensive then when you sold, but that's how it works sometimes.  Grin
662  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 14, 2013, 03:21:34 PM
Here we stand, at $119, just like we stood at 3.2, 5, 13, 19, 31, 49, 78, 94...

663  Economy / Speculation / Re: Feels good man on: May 14, 2013, 03:14:48 PM
The following information is time sensitive, as such it will be released when I see fit. Probably next week.

4D0AB25B1509E6CC9CEDC46F16925C6A2832AFD7A7AB53B9F4551E6E754F4F45


Everyone check their cereal for a decoder ring. We need to crack this code.

664  Economy / Speculation / Re: Time for another bull move on: May 14, 2013, 03:09:31 PM
In 3 days everything that everybody in this thread before me has said will be proven wrong.

Mild resistance at $80, strong resistance at $70. Once 70 is broken there will be almost no resistance down to $50.

From there comes highly volatile times, before a phase of stability for almost 3 months, after which a new bubble will begin to form.

Mid January 2014 will see the peak of the bubble at absolutely insane highs, but with a new asian crypto-coin gaining in popularity the bubble pops before February begins.

Aren't you the same retarded who posted this?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173558.msg1806423#msg1806423

At least now you're not using secret messages to make your predictions. Keep us updated on your car purchases though.
665  Economy / Speculation / Re: Time for another bull move on: May 14, 2013, 02:25:43 PM
This chart clearly illustrates to me the trader sentiment that the April 10 bubble can be re-inflated. This sentiment should become weaker as peaks at $266, $166, $147 and now $125 remain unsurpassed.

But the bottom has gone from $50, to $79, to $98. If the bubble is over, why can't we have an uptrend or growth on a more realistic scale?
666  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 14, 2013, 01:45:15 PM
Come on bulls, lets tear down this motherf´n 120 Wall. Only 4K and then sky is the limit.  Grin Cant be that hard.

I suspect it's going to take a lot more than 4K to get there.

Todays volume is currently 15,110 if we get to $120 it would be interesting to see what the volume is at that point.

The big wall is on $125

You are probably right but for now - one step at a time. If we keep this slow growth all will be fine, at least with me.

Cheers
What does "Responsibility to the responsible" mean?

Probably better if you google it, as this is probably not the place to discuss this. But if you are really interested shoot me a PM.

Cheers

This is probably THE place to discuss the devil. At least any conversation involving Fiat. Tongue

"Responsibility to the Responsible" - everyone must experience the consequences of his own actions—for good or ill.
667  Economy / Speculation / Re: Liberty City Ventures Launches $15MM Investment Fund for Crypto Startups on: May 14, 2013, 01:25:44 PM
Will be interesting to see where that money goes. Anything that helps the Bitcoin infrastructure is sorely needed. Great news. Grin
668  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 14, 2013, 01:03:43 PM
And the only way to foil his scheme? Ignore the fake panic sells. And it looks, to me, like people did start just doing that....

So maybe that's why we now have relatively long-term stability -- manipulators biding their time until the tactics work again.

Not to mention stability removes panic from the market. Volatility adds it. For someone to create this stability then try to dump the price doesn't make much sense. Lots of good news this week, more coming I'm sure, going to be hard to generate a lot of panic and crash the price. I'd be extremely surprised to see sub $100 this week.
669  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 14, 2013, 12:39:09 PM
A single person is propping up LTC, so it's not like it would take some kind of elaborate scheme.

I suspect someone is propping up the price by placing the massive bid walls with his fiat while at the same time selling his remaining BTC at the artificially propped up price. When someone buys BTC at this level a seemingly never ending supply of BTC is put straight back into the asks at very similar if not identical prices.

I'd be surprised if this is related to the conference in any way.

When this whale has sold enough of his coins the bids will disappear and he will dump the remainder creating a free fall so he can buy back cheaper and repeat the whole process.

For example, take the last 5 days. The bid and ask walls are still there and look about the same size to me. Yet somehow within the confines of these walls nearly 150,000 BTC have changed hands. During that time the price hasn't changed that much. Nearly all of these BTC that have changed hands were not part of the solid 'walls' so they are being traded within the confines of the 'trap'.

Just a theory of mine.


The longer the price stays here, the harder it is to "dump". That's why you "pump" then "dump". You push the price up to a level where people believe it's higher then it should be. Making it easier to push back down (people panic sell, people take profit).

The bid side is well within normal ranges, when you factor in the low volume. Speaking of the volume, 150k coins traded is less then normal. I looked at the times the bid orders were placed, I don't see a spike in bid orders in a small timeframe.

I have my doubts the "stability n dump" strategy is going on, or would even work very well.
670  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 14, 2013, 11:31:51 AM

I have been watching that as well, very bullish, my guy still tells me lower prices though.

However I have been wrong before :/

I find it interesting that the market suddenly got very stable a week before the conference. Seeing as Coinbase just got 5M, there's likely to be some VC money floating around. I'd imagine 10-30% swings in the price would be counterproductive to people trying to legitimize/sell BTC as a whole. All of the big players in Bitcoin stand to benefit from a nice stable price and it wouldn't be all that hard to artificially stabilize things. A single person is propping up LTC, so it's not like it would take some kind of elaborate scheme.

Trying to sell your idea, sell your business, partner with non-Bitcoin businesses, having the market drop 10-20% would generate some skeptical questions. Any news about the exchanges brings up questions about MtGox which I’m sure everyone at the conference would love to avoid.
A quick scan through the speakers, probably 60-100M of fiat tied up in BTC, they’ll make sure it survives the weekend. Along with 50k of BTC bids between $100-$117, people expecting good news from the conference, probably a bad time to dump 60-80k coins on the market driving it sub $100.

Makes sense for all the big players to keep it stable and makes sense for any big sell offs to wait for a conference bump. I don’t see it going down, if anything a few mini rallies leading up and from any good news. Next week, probably gets a little bumpy.  
671  Economy / Speculation / Re: Something is setting up with the market on: May 13, 2013, 01:58:49 PM
The fall will happen today...

so be ready in 2 hours for big sells

Gutsy call, fourkey2001, we'll see how it works out.

Check his post history. He says that 5-6 times a day for the last 2 weeks. He sold and now wants back in at a lower price point. Just click ignore he's nothing more then a spammer.
672  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 05:08:50 PM
I've seen all the $500, $1000 and even $300k coin statements.  I truly hope that happens for people but if that's the case, who are these people paying $500-$300k per coin?  Because I know who it's not going to be.   Roll Eyes

As far as I understood this, your problem is the psychological barrier of "one unit for over 100 dollar", right? But does it really matter? I don't care if I get 1 BTC for 100 $ or only 1 for 1000 $, all that matters for me is the relative value and it's change: 20 % value gain is 20 % value gain, even if I pay 300k $ for "one unit", isn't it?

But I feel with you. I support that mBTC "movement".

Sweet Jesus it brings a tear to my eye to see weak bears leave.

That's like saying, “I used to invest $5,000 in BTC when it got me 65 coins, but now it only buys me 40 coins, that sucks!”. If you’re investing in BTC, that’s a good thing. It means they’re worth more. Lets say you take $10,000 to invest on NASDAQ. Hmm, Google, $880? Fuck that. Groupon, $6? Much better.  But wait, you could buy penny stocks and own 50,000 shares! Holy shit ballz!

BTC has been over $100 most of the last 2 months. People didn’t have a problem when we had plenty of volatility. People don’t like it now, because woops, the volatility didn’t bail you out. So you’re faced with buying back at a higher price point and having fewer coins. Then you’d have to deal with the realization you shouldn’t have sold. Instead of facing that fact, you’d rather go trade another Cryptocoin. I could use $5000 to buy 44 BTC, or I could buy 1,500 Litecoins! FUCK YAH IMMA MAKE IT RAIN LITECOINS!

If that 44 vs 1,500 makes it look like a better deal, heading to litecoins is probably a good idea. However I’d suggest instead of $5,000, drop your investment pool down to like $5. Emotionally that’s a much easier number to deal with when trading.

This is how I imagine weak bears moving to other markets to trade because triple digit BTC rocks their world.


673  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 03:57:32 PM
We were at $165 post crash.

So the biggest risk to the market is everyone who bought in at $200-$260, who are just waiting to dump everything and exit? So wait, they rode out the biggest BTC crash in history, wait 3 months, just to sell at a loss when the price is getting back up to where they bought in? That seems like poor financial planning.

They dump coins, leave the market, people buy them up, it's not really that big of a deal. It's been going on daily for the last 2 months.

That discounts everyone who bought in at $200-$260 and are sitting on huge losses right now.  I'd assume most are looking to bail out of this market as soon as possible but have no choice but to pray for some sort of increase to at least minimize the damage.  If we should see a spike back to $160-$180, I'd expect a flood of selling at the peak as people cut their losses and run for the hills.  Don't think I need to specify what happens to the markets next...
674  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 03:08:00 PM
Oh indeed, on the log chart the supporting trend for 2013 is largely straight and one we are slowly settling in on.

People are quick to dismiss the run to 266 as a bubble. Which is was. However the exposure, Bitcoin press, spike in searches, downloads, growth globally, lots of very positive side affects. The old saying that there's no such thing as bad publicity, turned out to be true for Bitcoin. While you can discount the rapid price surge up to 266, a lot of legitimate value was indeed created. Whether that's 5%, %15, 30%, that's up for debate.

Take our growth line, add in a bump for the 266 bubble, landing at $105-$125 sounds about right. Days of sideways action. Where's the panic sellers? Where's the panic buyers? Panic has left the building. The people on the sidelines are praying for a crash so they can jump back in. When a bubble collapses, people flee the market. You have panic selling. We had an epic crash. The idea that people are "slowly" fleeing the market and "slowly" panic selling and that it's just an extended collapse is turning into a bad punchline. The only people left saying that are people trying to get back in at a discount.
675  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 02:47:18 PM
*shrugs* I dunno might be stretching it a bit much to call this anything.

A more reliable indicator is this: I feel lucky Smiley

Highs are getting lower. Lows are getting higher. And we're settling down right on top of our historical growth line. That crazy market, it knew the truth the entire time. Grin
676  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 02:25:04 PM
Indeed, a bubble collapses because new buyers diminish. Most of the trades from here to the bottom of the bubble will be the iterative transfer from weak hands to stronger hands. Hands become weak as fewer successive buyers prop up prices.

Agreed. It was a bumpy road, but I'm glad we're finally here.  Wink
677  Economy / Speculation / Re: Memespeculation on: May 11, 2013, 02:03:23 PM
Bitcoin's recent crash


He seems to recover very quickly and start riding again. So yeah, pretty accurate.  Grin
678  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 01:55:34 PM
My fiat is not on Gox, and odds are if we go over $125 I won't buy back in. If I can get cheap coin I will.

but i do agree with you over all. Once people see they can't get coins under 100 we might jump to test 160 again.

but then again, we might see 80 soon Smiley

But clearly there is lots of fiat on the order book, it's just in the "hoping for a crash" range.

It doesn't help that all the people waiting for a crash are posting the bubble is about to burst, crash is coming, sell your btc. They fail to mention if it did drop, they'd buy it back up faster then you can blink.

Shit I hope it crashes too. It's easy money. At the same time I'm not going to go around making charts trying to scare the fish.

If you have to scare the fish, you are doing it wrong. The fish should just be doing what you want without them being aware  Wink

*lol* Truer words were never spoken.
679  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 01:51:05 PM
My fiat is not on Gox, and odds are if we go over $125 I won't buy back in. If I can get cheap coin I will.

but i do agree with you over all. Once people see they can't get coins under 100 we might jump to test 160 again.

but then again, we might see 80 soon Smiley

But clearly there is lots of fiat on the order book, it's just in the "hoping for a crash" range.

It doesn't help that all the people waiting for a crash are posting the bubble is about to burst, crash is coming, sell your btc. They fail to mention if it did drop, they'd buy it back up faster then you can blink.

Shit I hope it crashes too. It's easy money. At the same time I'm not going to go around making charts trying to scare the fish.
680  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: May 11, 2013, 01:38:34 PM
The problem is, they're all at $40-$60-$80 hoping for cheap coins. As Goat has said, it's not until $125 where people will let go of the notion cheap coins are just around the corner. Once sub-$100 isn't likely in the short term, those people will buy back in and we should have a nice rally. But for now they're sitting on the sideline praying to whatever pagan God causes markets to crash. Tongue

Edit: And in a volatile market, periods of sideways action are generally considered bullish. While boring, it's good for the market and Bitcoin.

Bid Sum is almost at all times high. Last time this happened we went to 160.

Have we left the racy moves behind and are now turtley going up, or will some tiny positive news ignite a rocket?
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