Forgive me I failed GCSE law I’m high school, I wasn’t able to remember all the case studies! But I’m a bit dubious about common law! Is that the one we got the king at knife point to sign a declaration and rights for people to have sovereignty. I’ve always felt the Magna Carta really shouldn’t be legally binding if the king signed it under duress. Sorry for slightly going off topic if the Magna Carta and common law aren’t intertwined!
Tell me, as you cry for kings, what agreement do the people sign under the king or any leadership that is not under duress? I don’t cry for any king, I’m just stating in my mind, any documentation which is signed under duress, shouldn’t be legally binding.. isn’t that what our whole justice system is predicated on? Sure, on paper. Try telling a cop on the side of the road you don't feel like signing your ticket under duress and see how that goes. |
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With your belly full of warmth and a smile on your face you write up some subsidies that are going to "put the means of production back in the worker's hands" whatever the fuck that means in reality. This subsidy then has to be provided by the government. The government does not produce anything, so it needs to pay for this subsidy with taxes of one form or another. If you don't pay your taxes, men with guns will come and MAKE you pay your taxes and possibly also put you in a cage.
Its simply taking the money they were "entitled to" for unemployment and using that to build a business. Are you opposed to unemployment benefits? The government produces one very important thing. Money. If the government stops producing money you get rapid deflation, a very bad thing for the economy. Remember that. New spending does not equal new taxes. Anyone keeping up with the US right now should realize that. Are you against taxes? Taxes are a government issue regardless of which economic system you are using. Do you wish there were no taxes? You can't have a government, or national currency. That would make you an anarchist. It seems like you are really just an anarchist. Entitled to eh? What is anyone really entitled to? If your answer is the fruits of your own labor, then at what point does some one else get to tell you, you have had enough and now they are taking it for others at the point of a gun? In the USA at least, the government currently doesn't produce the money (though they have the power to under the constitution), the private bank known as The Federal Reserve Bank does. Also, as they print more and more money, inflation is itself a form of taxation. More money is printed, the cost of real goods and services go up, the value of the currency drops in buying power. Then as wages go up to keep up with cost of living, you are "earning more" so the IRS taxes you again for the inflation. Any time you are feeding money into a bureaucracy, it is going to siphon off some for its own operations. Over time this pool grows and grows and corruption runs rampant. It is inevitable, good intentions be damned. I am against SOME forms of taxes. I don't agree with income tax policy, and property taxes can be used in a very parasitic way to strip people of land while the larger companies end up writing off their property taxes anyway. Everything can be paid for with sales taxes. It is very simple. You consume more, you pay more. There is no easy way around it either. Again you are creating a false dichotomy trying to claim if I don't support your idea of taxes I must be an anarchist. Really this is bottom of the barrel standards of personal attacks and false choice fallacies. What else you got? |
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Socialists like these laws because they put the means of production into the hands of the worker who would otherwise have to sell his labor for the rate dictated by some capitalist, or live off of the government unemployment benefit indefinitely.
I don't know anything about money being taken at the point of a gun and no one in the american socialist party would condone such so we are all on the same page here. They can like chocolate cake too, it doesn't make chocolate cake Socialist. There you go again with the nebulous Communist buzzwords that are almost completely meaningless at this point. Exactly, you are totally unaware of the results of these policies. Let me spell it out for you. With your belly full of warmth and a smile on your face you write up some subsidies that are going to "put the means of production back in the worker's hands" whatever the fuck that means in reality. This subsidy then has to be provided by the government. The government does not produce anything, so it needs to pay for this subsidy with taxes of one form or another. If you don't pay your taxes, men with guns will come and MAKE you pay your taxes and possibly also put you in a cage. All Socialists promote taking money from the productive at the point of a gun, otherwise it would just be called charity.
You still are me. We have the same views on just about everything here. The main thing we disagree on the semantics of the word socialism. You have switched the words capitalism and socialism and think that I (and all dictionaries as well as the American socialist party) are the ones who have switched them. I understand that you are basing your definition of socialism on the behaviors of governments that have operated under the name "socialist" or "communist" party and that is probably a position shared by people who lived in the former soviet union. I will concede this because it is not worth arguing over what word to use to classify an economic system by when we all agree on basic principles that are is bad and good.
Lets just call them System 1 and System 2.
System 1: People are oppressed by a power hierarchy. The fruits of labor are stolen by force or contract. People do not have the liberty to do what they want with their own lives. In the end, needs are not even met.
System 2: People live in freedom and have control over their own lives. People are entitled to the fruits of their labor and have the opportunity to be innovative entrepreneurs. Morale is high.
Why quibble over silly semantics when we could discuss actual differences with respect to the correct means to the same end? We all (correct me if I'm wrong) hate system 1 and want system 2. That means it is not productive to continue to talk about how system 1 has failed in the past. We agree on the end but perhaps we differ on the means to that end. Why not talk about that instead of arguing about which word to use to describe things we agree on.
We may share a lot of views, I don't know that for sure. However this is not about semantics. This is about causality, and how this particular ideology, usually even motivated by good intent, has a step by step path laid out for it to turn into a totalitarian dystopian society. Communism was LITERALLY FUNDED BY the Western banking elite in the US and Europe. The ideology is the fruit of a poison tree. Your analogy above is again simplistic and ill-defined. Human beings are in fact VERY PREDICTABLE, and if you leave them any room to take more power and control, they will. Socialism is like locking a bunch of children in a toy store over night and trusting they will not touch any of the toys. In this analogy the bureaucrats are the children and the toys are our lives and means of survival. Socialism and Communism not only ignore basic human drives and behavior, they ignore the laws of economics, largely based on math. From practically any academic angle you approach Communism from, Communism/Socialism/Marxism fail examination. This is not simply a semantic disagreement between us, but perhaps maybe with yourself. |
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I bet you there is abuse in 9 out of 10 churches.
You have gone off the deep end. |
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They could issue "passports" or "VISAs" with a unique blockchain identifier (private and public key) which could make electronic tracking and verification of legal residents simpler. It could even be used to issue temporary permits. This would make it a lot more complicated to forge documents.
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As stated earlier in this thread, AI will be the only winner. The development of Artificial Intelligence is very concerning and it scares me. I think we should really stop advancing the technology because eventually it will be too intelligent to control. Once the cat is out of the bag it will be too late and robots will reign over humans. Some say its inevitable that this will happen but all we have to do is stop developing A.I.
It's all FUD. Exactly like the FUD surrounding Bitcoin. We need to summon courage, and build up our nerves, be brave to enter this exciting new world of AI. A glorious phase in the history of humanity is about to begin. Call it the golden dawn of a new humanity, or whatever. Names do not matter. What matters is that we participate and win! As some one who is very familiar with Bitcoin, in fact for approaching a decade, and as some one who has seen all the FUD first hand, no it is not the same thing. The threats posed by AI are just as numerous as any other sufficiently advanced technology. You can build a house with a hammer or you can cave some one's head in with it. It doesn't make the hammer good or bad, but it is just as capable of doing either. It is the same reason we don't give loaded AK-47s to chimps to play with. The results are kind of irreversible in both cases. It is over their heads, as AI is over our heads, as it will be for some time. |
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Find a mirror, look deeply into your own eyes, and repeat 3 times... ..not everyone knows a lie when they see it...
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UBI/welfare both warp price signaling conditions in markets, which can cause very serious issues. They both result in inflation. IMO we should offer some kind of tax credit where you can volunteer at approved facilities, and be "paid" in the form of a tax voucher at a regular wage rate. This voucher would be good for the year and could be applied to negate any existing tax liability during that period.
IMO this would foster a culture of community service, create jobs, help people transition to the work environment, and most importantly be productive while also not skewing the market conditions which we all rely on. This wouldn't solve every problem but IMO it would be more effective than the current welfare system.
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Unfortunately it is not just the church. Any organization of any influence you can think of has at one point or another been manipulated, influenced, or controlled using a system of placing perverts in power, feeding them kids, and documenting their crimes. This is the modus operandi of the most dangerous international mobs on earth. Loyalists in governments and law enforcement all over the world are now in the process of routing these organizations out. This is the primary cause of the instability in the world we see now as they try to burn everything down on their way out. In their minds, if they can't have power/control, no one should.
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Uncontrolled immigration has been a massive economic and social disaster for Britain. Just visit some of the cities to see the results, and that includes London.
Immigration has never been uncontrolled in the UK. London voted massively against brexit, so apparently Londoners do not agree with that. There are many ways of getting out of the EU. Norway is out, Switzerland is out, Rusia is out... But they are not outside in the same way. In the name of democracy, the final say has to be silenced. - Am I the only one that sees something wrong in that statement? Democracy doesn't work when your choice is between two Prime Ministers, both of whom are part of the Eton/Oxford puppet masters group. We need a Donald Trump in the UK.
Well, at least someone is proposing a solution: Offering Trump the "presidency" of UK. Would you you allow a referendum on that, or would you say that it was implicit on the previous one? If the EU borders are open, and other countries don't control immigration, the UK's immigration is effectively uncontrolled. You talk about whats on paper all you want. The reality is people don't want the EU. They already get almost no representation at a national level. Do you really believe you will get representation at a supranational or global level? Please. If you do I have a rare autographed football from Santa Claus I would like to sell you. The EU is the problem, it always was. Not participating is the solution. No one ever voted to join the EU, they were just pigeonholed into it by bureaucrats so people like you can pretend Brexit is the cause of these issues and not the EU. Unaccountable international organizations controlled by cartels are the problem. National sovereignty is the solution. |
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A isn't B because B = B.
You're a retard man.
This is about issuing identities, not creating a trade-ecosystem.
Why you always follow me around posting retarded ass shit? It's like you're trolling on purpose.
You wish you were important enough to be that on my radar. Identity and trade are inexorably linked. I don't really even need to respond any further to this statement, you did my job for me thanks. |
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How would you prevent fraud?
What stops me from issuing identities for bluefirecorp, bluefirecorp2, bluefirecorp3, bluefirecorp4?
What stops you from doing the same thing here? Centralized authority. Not really. The staff here do not mitigate or enforce actions against fraud, they simply respond to complaints after the fact. The host is centralized, but a similar system of community enforced trust is still scalable to decentralized platforms exactly as it would be here. |
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Because that is how voting works. People choose and the most popular choice wins. Only they already voted, and it was to leave.
Why are you afraid to let people vote now then? They now have had more time to ponder how real were the promises and what the consequences are. You may try to deny what´s happening, but the problem with reality is that is there even if you don´t like it: All the economic indicators of UK are going downhill, including the leadership in finances, the industrial capability and the ability of updating salaries with inflation even at full employment. The interest rates are also now going to catch the families on the wrong foot. And no, you cannot replace more 25% of your exports without a huge damage to the country, that´s not how markets work. Oh nice debate tactic there, you really put me on the defensive. I sure am scared! DOOM AND GLOOM! THE SKY IS FALLING! Really though, I explained multiple times already why this second vote is a fraud and the EU itself was a fraud to begin with. What you are talking about is not reality, it is a synthetic manufactured illusion created by the media. Another vote just gives these con artists another opportunity to rig it right this time. Any problems you can point at were ongoing previously or purposely exasperated by the EU in a punitive attempt at punishing the UK for voting to leave. They are desperate because all it will take is one more major contributing nation to leave before the EU is a non-entity. Also everyone might want to take note, this was Hitler's ultimate goal, a unified Europe. Just saying... |
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How would you prevent fraud?
What stops me from issuing identities for bluefirecorp, bluefirecorp2, bluefirecorp3, bluefirecorp4?
What stops you from doing the same thing here? |
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Facebook revealed today that hackers were able to harvest millions of phone numbers and email addresses. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/12/facebook-security-breach-details.html"Among the 30 million affected users, 14 million had their names, contact information and sensitive information, such as their gender, relationship status and recent place check-ins, exposed to the attackers, Facebook said. Another 15 million users had their names and contact information breached, and 1 million users solely had their access tokens stolen. Facebook has reset the access tokens for all of those users. The company said the breach is under investigation by the FBI, which asked Facebook "not to discuss who may be behind this attack." Why do you think this is? This is standard operating procedure during any active investigation. |
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Forgive me I failed GCSE law I’m high school, I wasn’t able to remember all the case studies! But I’m a bit dubious about common law! Is that the one we got the king at knife point to sign a declaration and rights for people to have sovereignty. I’ve always felt the Magna Carta really shouldn’t be legally binding if the king signed it under duress. Sorry for slightly going off topic if the Magna Carta and common law aren’t intertwined!
Tell me, as you cry for kings, what agreement do the people sign under the king or any leadership that is not under duress? |
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We can extend the "transition" period
Again - no you can´t. That requires the consensus of the 27 EU members. At most you can make a vague deal, but the problem of having a country and a governing party that are divided is not going to solve itself. True, but what is the point of having a vote if it is just ignored? ...
If there is a second vote, the public has no reason to vote ever again.
The vote was not ignored. The government has tried to deliver the promises that were made during the referendum. Just in case someone did not know already, these were absolutely impossible. - The EU immigration is linked to the common market and the UK cannot pick and choose. - You can´t pretend to access a market without having a common jurisdiction. - You can´t substitute the trade the UK has with Europe with imaginary trade deals with Trumpist USA, China, India nor any other country. And so many other stupidities that no-one ever thought that would have to be delivered, as the result was not expected. At this point, most UK citizens have finally realised that it was a bad idea to leave, that the younger generations are going to pay for it dearly and that it would be convenient to re-think (re-vote) to see what people think today after seeing the true nature of a Brexit. The core of the question is though, if now the majority votes for not leaving how can you deny their choice?
Correct. The people anyway would not be able to vote on remaining or leaving, but they could be offered a choice of what type of Brexit they want. The realistic alternatives at this point are: a) WTO rules, with no deal at all. Hard border in Ireland. This option is super-expensive. Not even the UK can afford the luxury of doing this. b) Canadian style trade deal. Reasonable, yet still very expensive. Probably would cause a crisis for the young generations. c) Norwegian / Swiss type of deal, with full access to market and free movement of people. Would make the UK loose face, as it was better to have influence, but minimises the crisis, the pound recovers and we are again one happy (dysfunctional) family. There is no chance of a Chequers agreement. In the UK is seen as insufficient for the brexiters and in Europe is seen as giving a ridiculously privileged treatment to the UK. BTW, Can any of the hard brexiters here provide a practical, economically viable and realistic answer to the Irish border issue? Because all that is being said is about conspiracy theories, governing illuminati, etc... but I just don´t see anything that could possibly solve the real problems. Just a mumble-jumble of empire-age nostalgia, mixed with false information and xenophobic propaganda. Yes, the vote is being ignored, if it wasn't why try to vote again? Yes the UK absolutely can replace its trade with the EU, that is how world markets work. The "BREXIT" did not cause any of these issues. These ware all already issues, or they were invented to create as much disincentive as possible for leaving the EU. This is basically a financial and geopolitical bait and switch. The EU arrangements are odious on their face and DESIGNED to strip EU of its wealth, rights, and sovereignty. The core of the question is though, if now the majority votes for not leaving how can you deny their choice?
Because that is how voting works. People choose and the most popular choice wins. Only they already voted, and it was to leave. |
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I like your technique, you don't see a lot of modern impressionism any more. Please post more if you have them.
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Are you forget Russian ? I think Russia also is country develop AI very strong but AI has many dangers if we couldn't control it. As Stephen Hawking says "A.I. could be 'worst event in the history of our civilization"
AFAIK, it seems like Russia is a little bit behind other big countries in terms of IT development. Their military is strong however, may be they'll refer not to create full-fledged AI but focus on AI for military purpose - and this is getting scary, to be honest. Much like North Korea and China, Russia has some very advanced hackers and hacker intelligence agencies within the country, however they are well behind nations such as the US, Japan, and South Korea in research and development. This is why they place such a high value on espionage. |
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IMO the base premise that most of you are operating on is flawed. Most of you assume we are all privy to the latest cutting edge technological advancements. We are not. We are many times insulated and removed, and quite purposefully.
You will realize we have reached the singularity as the world starts changing more aggressively, like a boa constrictor, it wraps around and squeezes just a bit tighter each time you take a breath. We all already largely live in a very carefully crafted illusion. The transition will be seamless, but not painless.
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