Yes, why remember the details when you can just invent them? Yes, what a cave getting those workers paid! A stronger man would have let them be held hostage right? You are incapable of addressing the conflict in your own logic. This shit isn't over, so your "fact" is nothing of the sort as usual. A lot of people are being hurt by this frivolous attitude toward border security and immigration, a lot more than missing a paycheck. None of this would even be necessary if the Democrats were not intent on making this impossible by refusing to negotiate over it.

You preach about ego and how much you care for the workers, but the first thing you do is leap to declare victory, gloating over a temp fix and punishing the act, not praise the act of making sure the workers got paid. Not sure what your rambling about temporary measures fooling the left is about, but I am sure it is based on lots of factual information as usual. 

The vast majority of these issues could be solved if we moved to treating the trust system again as reflecting actual trade, not endless other subjective opinions. Negative ratings should be limited to cases where evidence of theft, violation of a contractual agreement, or violation of the law can be documented. As it is now the trust system is arbitrarily enforced, full of noise, and not something noobs can really use as a quick reference for trust. We should be teaching people to do due diligence and read these ratings anyway, not just to rely on red and green numbers.

Nothing says he can't buy or otherwise compensate for that land, and or build on land they already control. Every inch does not need to be covered for it to improve effectiveness. It still channels people through more predictable routes by limiting options. He would be well within his authority doing any of this.

As usual you like to pretend up and down you know about American politics but you are completely ignorant of its inner workings and our laws. The reason he has emergency authority to build a wall is because it falls quite clearly under national security grounds, and most importantly defense of the nations sovereign borders. As far as executive authority goes, there aren't many more established than this one. All your fantasizing about force-feeding the nation your horse shit that no one can prove using actual science is not even in the same hemisphere of authority.

The democrats have been in control, for a long time, and their policies failed miserably. Now the adults are here to clean up the mess. The least the left can do is step aside while we fix the problems they caused, ofc they prefer to have their own reality rather than share one with everyone else.

Really is a shame you need to censor responses to make yourself look more clever than you really are...

It might be worth looking into more closely how the Chinese operate before making any conclusions about sovereignty.

Its almost like the trust system is so convoluted it is completely useless for the intended purpose of protecting noobs and should be used explicitly for ratings involving trade. Who knew?

Amazing how quick he left is to jerk itself off, never once double checking their information before stroking it in public. At least children aren't getting death threats over this one though. This was a temporary measure likely aimed at getting workers paid. It lasts 3 weeks. That is it. You can stop declaring victory now.

Once again I have carefully bolded every part of the on topic part of your last post.

Your political bend is irrelevant frankly because your clear intent is to derail this discussion as I clearly already noted your inability to even mention the topic in passing instead opting to define stories YOU think are important in an unrelated thread. But yeah, I am the one trying to tell you which stories are important am I?

The media I consume is years of watching leftists bloody and send people to the hospital hundreds of times over the last couple years on video. No media punditry is required to see the violence with my own eyes, and the left has been getting a pass on this for years by the MSM because it serves their agenda. Its hard to watch FOX news without a TV, but apparently I am a fan? Conservatives are individualists by nature, and leftist/progressives are collectivist by their nature. The left shares one hive mind, and it sits on a stand repeating ORANGE MAN BAD 24/7/365.

No one gives a shit about the event itself. They are pissed about how not only did the media report all of these lies KNOWINGLY and with ill intent, but the left turned into a huge frothing violent mob and went after children, yet it is just endless equivocation and excuses with no one taking any responsibility for this mob behavior aimed at children for the crime of existing while conservative in public. The entire left just keeps on pretending it was justified while the extremist loons on their fringes see this as validation to continue their campaign of harassment and threats. In an extension of this, here you are with your repeated bald faced attempts at diverting this thread on to other topics because YOU deem this one unimportant.

I am sorry, you are defending mobs of insane people going after children, you have no moral high ground here. I don't need to take anything, you make your values and knowledge of the world clear by this act alone. You don't bring any argument to the table, you bring projection, hyperbole, and diversion. I find it rather interesting your entire argument essentially consists of "NO U".

Conservatives are making such a big deal out of this because MSM fucked up and got caught selling a bullshit narrative that is resulting in very serious consequences in such a way that the whole world was able to see, and they aren't just going to let the media and the left absolve themselves of responsibility via changing the news cycle. That's is why massive lawsuits are under way, among other things. Tell me, when was the last time you saw mobs of conservatives sending people to hospitals, going to the homes of media pundits, or just randomly harassing and attacking people physically? Oh never? Yet if I put "ANTIFA attack" into youtube HUNDREDS of examples of political violence against conservatives and just generally uninvolved people pop up.

You keep pretending this is equivalent. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass can see the left is marching this country right into civil war, never once doubting their "moral high ground" like the good little brown shirt street thugs they are. The media is winding up insane people on the left and using them as attack dogs for their agenda, and this event is proof. That is why the left is so desperate to move on to another topic, so they can distract from the fact that this WAS ALWAYS THE PLAN, and there is MORE TO COME.

Just another example in a long list of examples of how eager the left is to suck down whatever turd the media wants to drop into their mouths. I guess we are just lucky there were no children being threatened over it this time. This is a temporary agreement of three weeks, likely just to get some paychecks flowing again so government workers aren't unnecessarily held hostage. Keep your fantasies of Pelosi spanking Trump to yourself, no one needs that visual.

Except everything I brought up was about the topic at hand. You call it "personal attacks", I call it calling out their abusive behavior in direct relation to the topic at hand. If you will notice as well it was not myself that engaged in hostilities in spite of the hostile reaction to my points.

Frankly I think this argument is nonsense and just a lame attempt at putting the onus on me for causing a disruption for simply engaging these people like I just should have expected them to act in such a hostile way for suggesting things be done differently. I have been very consistent with my principals, and I find it fairly amusing that again there is always some kind of false equivalency any time any one dares question one of the forum grand inquisitors.

We should be able to be critical of them without it being labeled "a personal attack", and what they were doing was in no way the same thing. It would make it much easier to argue against me if this could all be simply dismissed as yet another personal flame war now couldn't it? I find it interesting you are so set on this narrative, ready to put me on that same bus simply because I don't kowtow to this uncontrolled bullying behavior by submitting to it.

Again, I have bolded the on topic portion of your reply.

Now why would I make any conclusions about your political leanings when you immediately jump to distract and change the topic from one of the biggest embarrassments and exposures of the left's unhinged behavior coupled with media complicity?

What happened with those kids is not a symptom of government. Government didn't cause this. Unhinged leftists and media eager to believe anything they are told to have an excuse to demonize their opponents, at any cost caused this. Your attempts at creating equivalency are false, and the left has been REGULARLY engaged in these violent, mobbing, and harassment tactics since well before the election even took place. Frankly I couldn't give a shit less what your stance is, your topics of discussion scream "I believe anything I am told by the media". You aren't going to slip by with false claims of neutrality around here with the distract and divert fest you just pulled. The fact that you are covering up for the harassment and death threats made to children here says plenty about your leanings.

What kind of things am I doing? Tell me what are my crimes? I am dying to know.

The thing you call a distraction is exactly my point. The same people who want to essentially have the most authority on the forum can not even engage in a very simple critical discussion about protocol without IMMEDIATELY going directly to personal attacks, accusations of wrongdoing, or other petty intimidation or mobbing tactics.

You are complicit because you enable this behavior by joining ranks with these people and covering for them when they are clearly out of line. Maybe you are a follower type not a leader type, I don't know why you do this, but you have a different mentality towards these issues at least and are capable of engaging in a discussion.

Tell me, what is things "going my way" exactly? What do I get out of this other than a gang of stalkers digging through my personal effects? I get penalized for raising these issues, and that is the point, yet we all pretend that in an environment like this there will ever be fair redress of grievances from abuse by these members?

What I was and still am advocating for is a protocol for negative ratings that requires a standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws. I have in detail described why this is needed here, and in other posts.

Quickseller and I both exclude and don't like each other, and I can't say OgNasty and I are best buds either. I think we are all just tired of this horse shit after so many years of it.

You are one to talk my friend, you are complicit in all of these same games, which frankly confuses me because you seem to be more sensible than that. The difference is I don't spend all day every day "policing" this forum, so no, I don't think a mirror is required in this particular instance thank you. If anyone had some basic logical arguments to refute mine with I would be happy to hear them. So far I have seen little but a bunch of two-bit intimidation tactics, personal attacks, and accusations against anyone who dares point out this dynamic.

If only that were the sole example perhaps you would have a point. I wonder what a compilation thread of all the threats you have made to users would look like. Perhaps some one can put one together.

So, you are claiming to be some kind of arbiter for what is right around here but you are proud of "how much butthurt" you cause? Like OgNasty said, this behavior is an embarrassment for this forum at best if these are the kind of people in charge around here. Yeah, you "ignore" me like everyone else around here who "ignores" me and then has something to say to me 30 seconds later. I suspect you will resort to your usual backdoor shadowy games since you know you have no ground to stand on in a public discussion of your behavior.

I would frankly rather be in Politics & Society, and I have no interest in your power struggle games except for the fact that the results are getting seriously destructive. I would really rather be spending my time doing something else. You wouldn't. That is the problem. The only reason this has gone on so long is no one wants to be the one to have to deal with you and risk their years of actual hard earned reputation when you retaliate, and anyone without a reputation is easily dismissed.

How do you find the time to be a psychologist when you are already a psychic infallible judge jury and executioner all day? No one said anything about being a victim except you. Does it look like your intimidation tactics are effecting me? I am simply pointing out your behavior so others can recognize this pattern that you exhibit literally any time some one tells you some thing you don't like or don't agree with, especially when it comes to questioning your judgement. And noobs are supposed to defend themselves against this? Please.

Oh look, more veiled threats. I wonder how long it is until you start making straight up threats or trying to dig into my personal affairs? Is everyone watching this dynamic?

It is really about the US and China. IMO Russia is acting as a proxy for them in this case so they can keep their plans for South America on the down low for as long as possible. This is not only part of China's economic plans of loan sharking every nation with natural resources it can, but an answer to the US exerting influence in what it considers its exclusive sphere of influence regarding Taiwan, the South China Sea, North Korea, etc. They want a foothold in South America putting them in a much stronger position economically and militarily to challenge the USA.