That is the brilliance of Trumps strategy I find is repeated over and over again, and it is easy to miss if you don't look close. You said people attribute the shutdown to him, and it could be ammo against him in the future. You also said you liked the idea of people seeing the world doesn't end just because the government is shut down, because as you pointed out it conditions people to the concept that the world doesn't burst into flames if we don't have mommy and daddy government everywhere. If the dems want to use this as ammo against him, they are going to have to consistently remind people of how they don't need all the excessive entitlement programs they are trying to push

In effect they have to undermine their own narrative to take that specific hit on him.  It reminds me of the time the NY police went on strike a few years back, responding only to serious emergencies, and literally nothing eventful happened and crime actually dropped. They basically just made a case that most of them aren't even needed xD

I have said it before and I will say it again.


Stop pretending like you do. You are taking your incomplete and superficial knowledge of economics and selectively hearing only what you like about what these people are saying while totally ignoring much larger macro economic issues. These people are making the point that credit of some kind is necessary, and I agree. What they are NOT SAYING is that we can just print limitless amounts of money without serious consequence, which seems to be your mantra.

You don't even bother attempting reading comprehension do you? You are either duplicitous or exceptionally ignorant, and your sophist tactics largely make me suspect you are disingenuous and find lying a justifiable means to an end. You aren't even attempting to comprehend my words, you simply project what you already choose to believe upon whatever I say, regardless of its logical validity. I say less people will attempt the journey, you see "GOOD MORE DEAD MEXICANS, LESS TO CROSS!", I was saying a wall is a deterrent to even attempt, making the risk of the journey not a factor.

That point made you then shift the goal post to the dangers of existing in their home nations, as if the USA is the mommy and daddy of the world, and we are responsible for their well being. It has nothing to do with who's fault it is that they are poor, it is simply NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY as a nation. If you privately want to fund immigrants coming here legally with your own money, you go for it. You don't get to mandate the forced collection of funds at gunpoint to fund your narcissism.

If you really believed any of what you just said you would never have bought up any of that racism bullshit. This was nothing but a pathetic, desperate, and shameful attempt to try to smear me by insinuation and association. Just another demonstration how little regard you hold for minorities, you see calling racism as a means to an end of your own, not a means to deter bigotry.

If you knew a damned thing about economics you would know that uncontrolled migration combined with large welfare programs is a GUARANTEED recipe for financial collapse. It is not even a debate, it is a mathematical fact. This is not just my personal quality of life, it is EVERYONE'S here, including yours. Furthermore "quality of life" makes it sound like I will get one less fast food hamburger a month as a sacrifice. No, this is societal collapse, 3rd world dumpster fire quality of life drop. All so you and your narcissistic commie pals can stand around and jerk each other off over how humanitarian and morally superior you are.





I am beginning to think this guy is looking for the final solution.

Yes, Atheism by its definition makes the claim that there is no God. This is a belief based on JUST AS MUCH empirical data on the belief that there is a God, that being no empirical data. It is not apples and oranges it is oranges and oranges.

There is an inherent flaw in atheism that most people don't seem to realize. Personally I have more respect for Agnostics. At least they admit that they don't know. Atheism is just yet another iteration of a religion. Atheism is the BELIEF that there is no God. There is no proof of the existence or nonexistence of a deity. People choose to believe one over the other, but it is just yet another system of beliefs.

Atheists exhibit a lot of the same patterns found in other religions. They think their beliefs are the best and everyone else is wrong. They proselytize. They fund-raise. They gather in groups to discuss and spread their beliefs. Their priests are "scientists", and their God is the government.

No you don't know what I am thinking. You don't even know what you are thinking most of the time, you just open your mouth and tilt your head and let the bullshit drip out of your mouth because you think it sells your ideology.


"welfare spending is an investment with vast asset returns"

HAHAHA I would LOOOOVE to see you try to find the math on that one.


"only goes toward more danger and death"

What the fuck are you even talking about? Any danger faced is SELF IMPOSED. Once it is known the wall is there LESS PEOPLE WILL ATTEMPT THE JOURNEY. If anything the wall being there will fucking SAVE LIVES by your ass backward logic. Its like me breaking into your house and tripping over a crate you left by the door and crying and saying you should pay my hospital bill. I should have never been there to begin with therefore the injury is 100% self imposed.

Also fuck you for insinuating the only possible motivation I could have is being racist and wanting to harm people you self righteous Postmodernist piece of shit. YOU DON'T KNOW A GOD DAMNED THING ABOUT ME, who I am or my racial make up. Even if you did it would not be indicative of anything but your own bigotry.

In fact I argue that you yourself are the racist. Not only are you racist against white people, but you don't give a fuck about minorities either. To you, they are just poor inferior people you get satisfaction from LARPING as if you are helping them, giving you a sense of superiority while you use them as a shield from criticism of your own actions and ideologies. To you they are just convenient tools and pawns to accomplish your goals. They are used and disposed of once they are no longer needed.

This is a pattern of behavior that is endemic to the left and the Democrats have a long and storied history of racist policy that is WELL DOCUMENTED.  You simply run around accusing others of racism as a mask to shield yourself from this justified criticism. You are little more than a naive self righteous child who thinks they know the best way to run the world, and anyone who disagrees must just be an evil Nazi bigot. I reiterate, go fuck yourself.

That's called trade. Welcome to the concept. What you are advocating for is confiscation of resources by force and redistribution to others. Additionally the industrialized world is not responsible for holding down every fucking underdeveloped nation, and your assertion to that effect is asinine.

Seeing a 3rd world nation try to regulate cryptocurrency is going to be hilarious.

I'm sure all that evidence of collusion you swear exists will drop any day now. No one gives a shit about her use of expletives, they give a shit about her blatant disregard for the office and government she was just elected to serve. You go ahead and keep believing the right are the puritans while the left are the ones trying to tell people what words are acceptable, who is allowed an opinion, and sit around reassuring each other of their moral superiority all day.

Some have suggested it is an intelligence op of some kind already. I suppose time will tell.

Let me know when you have a point.

Yeah, cool story Captain Postmodern. Very creative how you shoehorned in native Americans even though we both know that wasn't what I was referring too. Whatever allows you to jam in some more victim culture right?

The problem is not uncontrolled immigration, no of course not. The problem is these darned barriers to criminal entry preventing them from illegally leaching off of our welfare systems. That is the true crime! Anyone who disagrees is a nazi that wants to dehydrate children to death.

See for yourself: https://steemit.com/@thedarkoverlord

https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=54063

"Hello, world. As you're well-aware, we designed a compensation plan that would allow for the public crowd-funding of our organisation in order to permit the public disclosure of our "9/11 Papers" in the interest of the public. Part of this plan was to create a tiered escalation plan that would result in multiple layers and milestones (which we're calling checkpoints) to ensure the powers at be are being properly bent over a barrel. We've said it before, and we'll say it again: we're financially motivated, and you (the public) has spoken to us in our language (internet money, specifically Bitcoin)."

I don't think so Captain postmodern. People don't need to be citizens to suck up resources, change the culture, commit crimes, and vote illegally. Also tourists have passports and visas if required, and if they overstay they are deported. Just because people abuse that system doesn't justify allowing abuse elsewhere. Also I would ask you to source your claim but I know it doesn't exist.

What the fuck are you talking about?



I love how you always talk to me as if I am too simple to understand your ideas. I have to break it to you, they aren't that complicated to comprehend, they are just naive and counterproductive to even your own stated goals. Let me sum it up...

THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO BE HERE

All the Postmodernist rationalization about the philosophical nature of who has a right to be here does not mean shit. The rest of us live in reality. The reality where we have to pay for every moronic idea that you crap out of your tiny skull, based not on logic, but on what makes you feel the most warm and fuzzy inside.

You don't give a fuck about the hell on Earth your retarded policies will create, you don't give a fuck about immigrants, you don't give a fuck about ANYONE or anything but satiating your narcissistic need to make your pathetic little empty life feel more full by pretending you are morally superior and preaching to people things that seem so simple, good, warm, and fuzzy, but in reality are a fucking nightmare. None of that matters though, what matters is you feel like you are the hero fighting the evil Nazi ICE.

You don't even know what you are arguing for, and most of the time no one else does either. You  know why? You constantly change the definitions of words to fit your very narrow and naive viewpoint. I don't care if you claim to oppose illegal immigration (we all know you are full of shit on this based on past statements), creating a rubber stamp process that just lets immigrants flood in anyway is equally unacceptable.

Again, you pretend you have some kind of moral high ground while you convince these poorly educated people all they need to do is get across that desert and the land of milk, honey, and free government resources awaits just on the other side. Why would you consider that from your position of moral superiority? Why consider all the children that are dangerously used as tickets for entry into this country to exploit polices people like you supported. Why consider that many of them are raped and sold into sex slavery after they are done being used as a free pass across the border? Nope, you are morally superior, and that is all some one else's fault.

A wall creates more danger? A wall is an inanimate stack of steel and concrete... but ok. I am sure you will give me some extremely arbitrary highly extrapolated Postmodernist "logic" to explain how a wall makes things MORE dangerous. The bill for "services you don't know who would foot the bill for?" WHAT? I know who will foot the bill. American citizens. Your lunatic collectivization of debt as if that makes it not exist any more is indicative of your overall naivete and ignorance of reality and endless obsession over what you call "morals" to the exclusion of reality itself. Realities like the reality we still have to pay that bill even if its spread out among us.

They aren't innocent, they are criminals by definition. Now stop using this as an opportunity to get in a quick easy jab because you know I want to stay on topic and that is not on topic regardless of how you rationalize it. Take it to the thread about immigration.

*So women are free and independent but also poor brainwashed victims with no agency of their own at the same time now? Your claim they are conditioned to do so is categorically false, ironically as proven by Scandinavian countries. They have introduced programs there specifically aimed at creating more gender equality in the workplace, and you know what happened? When given more choice women and men SEGREGATED EVEN MORE. This is not about conditioning or brainwashing, this is about a choice. Women tend to choose people focused jobs and men tend to choose thing focused jobs by their nature. It just so happens most of the socially oriented jobs aren't as in demand, and are paid less. This is along with the facts that men work more dangerous jobs, longer hours, take less time off, etc.

You have ZERO evidence to support your claim these differences are the result of social conditioning of women. Furthermore your claim of women being equal while simultaneously painting them as victims with no agency in the presence of the big bad patriarchy is quite contradictory.


The Gender Equality Paradox: https://www.youtube.com/embed/tiJVJ5QRRUE

https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/the-downside-to-greater-gender-equality-fewer-girls-go-after-stem-degrees

https://www.thejournal.ie/gender-equality-countries-stem-girls-3848156-Feb2018/


A) So your argument is men are 14x more criminal than women? I though we were all equal? Oh right, there is that big bad patriarchy again taking muh agency and conditioning us into our gender roles! No. Again your conclusions are all based on the assumption that women are both simultaneously strong and independent, but have no agency over the evil brainwashing patriarchy. Women get preferential treatment in the courts, ESPECIALLY in the case of family law, but also in general.

-Women were less likely to be detained before trial. They were 46 percent less likely than men to held in jail prior to a trial.

-Women who were released on bond were given lower bond amounts. Their bonds were set at amounts that were 54 percent lower than what men were required to pay.

-Women were 58 percent less likely to be sentenced to prison.

https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/courts-lenient-sentencing-bond-women


B) Great, so you agree society is prejudiced against men. Your conclusions of how this came to be is laughable though. I love how all of a sudden this discrimination is some how also the fault of men at the same time so you don't have to submit an inch of ground to reality over your precious pet ideology. A large portions of suicides result from after dealing with divorce court BTW, but I am sure it is just that evil patriarchy again hiding in the shadows.


C) And what a privilege it is for men to work those more dangerous and stressful jobs just to have people like you ramble on about wage gaps as if things like this aren't a factor. Also why are they working these dangerous jobs? Oh usually to support a wife an children is it? See where I already busted up your bullshit*


D) Ah yes, again the total removal of agency, and it was just the patriarchy again. I am sure it has nothing to do with limitless women's programs, affirmative action programs, the fact that the educational system is designed around women and girls, the fact that most educators are women, etc. Nope, women are just conditioned to go to school more. That is your answer for literally every issue, it was just conditioning. Funny, it almost seems like you are falling back on a nebulous and ill defined terminology on purpose because you know you have no real and substantive argument.

E) Ah yes, yet again, you admit the discrimination exists, but some how this is once again the fault of the men of the evil shadowy patriarchy. Funny how women just never seem to have any responsibility in these situations isn't it? it is almost like you think men are to blame for every bad thing. Oh sorry, not men, "the patriarchy". I am sure the potential for profit for all these women getting in laws allowing the taking of everything men spent a life time earning, over and over, along with their children, has nothing to do with it. Not a thing. No fault divorce? Nope, patriarchy!

F) Again, as usual your one and only perpetual reply, people are just programmed to think women are weak. First of all, you again don't even refute the fact this is clearly discriminatory against men and then proceed to tell me about your fantasies of women being just as proficient soldiers. Even when you are wrong you are right huh?

G) HAHAHAHA. How fucking lazy are you? Again, you don't even bother making a reply because you know you HAVE NO ARGUMENT.

H) Man, so fucking lazy. Again, what a privilege men have getting to die at a rate 20x greater than women at work. I am sure once again this is the patriarchy right? Silly men giving themselves deadly jobs cause the patriarchy programmed them.

I) If women are the majority in many of these cases, why is affirmative action necessary? just to be clear, you openly support the discrimination against men, simply because of their gender in the workplace? That is what affirmative action is.



Enforce my view? What the fuck are you talking about? I presented facts. You presented fairy tales about the patriarchy which goes around removing all the agency from the strong independent women victims, over and over again. You didn't even ATTEMPT to make an argument, you just threw the same sad old worn out tropes feminists have been beating to death forever. The only one enforcing viewpoints is feminists by systematically deplatforming, mobbing, and harassing anyone who DARES to even have this discussion. Feminism has not been ethical for a long time now, thanks for helping me prove it.

You can keep spreading your lies for a while if you like, but I am telling you the bill is coming due. Either women can start working towards creating equitable policy, or continue to live in this fantasy land where everything is seen thru the lens of feminist theory, and eventually pay a much higher price, and lose many freedoms gained. That is what happens to people who shirk their responsibilities. They lose their freedoms, because freedoms and responsibilities are inexorably linked.

I think you are confusing tourism with immigration.

Frankly if they are integrated into American culture it doesn't matter. However if you let immigrants flood in there is no time for that to happen and the native culture is displaced, and the cultural values are lost, and that does matter.

Except you said:


So the part about them making an example out of her was hyperbole too? You don't just get to say insane shit like this and just walk it back like it didn't happen. This kind of statement is demonstrative of your hysterical and obsessive mindset over this issue where feelings count more than facts.

Those are some cute links. Don't see any torture there though. I see lots of extremists such as yourself claiming it is torture, I don't see any evidence of torture though. I think you just believe anyone who reaffirms your existing belief systems regardless of how nonsensical it is.

Intentionally designed to be inadequate? Inadequate for what? According to what standards? So you saying we aren't meeting the comfort needs of criminals trying to illegally invade our country? We really should step up our customer service shouldn't we? I suppose you are going to foot the bill for this too right?

First of all, bodies are found in the desert by the dozens all the time, yes including children, so they do in fact spend a lot of time in the desert. Second, learn how dehydration works. The damage is caused, then already injured they show up at the border, and morons like you blame it on the border patrol rather than their own dangerous behavior. Medical screening requires people be admitted in a legal an orderly fashion, illegal entry precludes screening by default unless captured. Only licensed childcare workers? LOL, you think that might create shortages for them for everyone else?

Nothing you are presenting is based in reality, and your feelings take precedence over facts you are presented.

They got it from lawyers. You can't kill some thing that has no soul.