Actually I think the one he did get right on this list was Lincoln. Lincoln actually held a personal correspondence with Karl Marx. Except even though he is lauded, if you actually look into his history he was a tyrant, quite a piece of shit, and not very bright either.

BULLSHIT You just suffer the delusion that bringing everyone to an equal level of poverty to bring "equality" is some how desirable. The 3rd world isn't held down by anything but their own lack of development in their own nations. The best and brightest of these nations leaving for the industrialized world instead of fixing their homeland is the primary culprit. It is a self feeding cycle. No one is holding them down, it is just easier to come here and succeed because we maintain the conditions necessary to do so instead of capitulating to delusional children such as yourself, just like the people who run the Socialist nations these people are fleeing from. Being able to immigrate if you have valuable skills is not open borders, that is exactly the system we operate under currently in the US. People with desirable occupational skills get preferential access.

You know what makes even less sense? Letting everyone into these places of better quality of life there by bringing it all down to the level of the 3rd world. What you are advocating is literally holding others down to make them more equal to others who have less. Furthermore it is idiotic and won't work, because the very people you claim have no right to a better life style make that society function. You think they are gonna stick around? Fuck no, they will go to a nation that protects their investments of time, skills, education, and resources. Also this is why nations are important, because if one starts going down this self destructive path, you can always vote with your feet if you have something of value to offer society.



This isn't just about pride. Pride is just a symbol. This is nothing but a gross oversimplification in a vain attempt to mischaracterize your opponent and attempt to make associations with racial supremacy groups.

This is about security, a means of earning a living, functional social services, and manageable taxes among other things. None of these things are possible with open borders and a welfare state. The two things can not coexist for any significant period of time, furthermore I argue an attempt to implement it is DESIGNED TO FAIL so that in the aftermath predatory actors can take advantage of the state of chaos and need.

Sorry, heavily indoctrinated naive person. Is that better? Because no borders means nations will cease to exist. You can't have no borders in a country any more than you can have no borders in a pool. Without the borders all you have is a patch of wet dirt.

Is this thread about open borders or this girl? This is what you do constantly because you have no original thoughts or arguments of your own. You know you are losing this debate horribly so you decide to focus in on the minutia of this incident to try to make it look like you some how are informed because you discuss details so much. Really it is just so you can avoid the rest. The girl was not complaining of problems until she got on that bus. It was only after on that bus is when her father made it known she was ill. The fact that she sat around for 8 hours is no fault but her fathers for subjecting her to this, then not telling the patrol agents she was ill. Also during those 8 hours she had access to food and water, so your argument is pure horse shit. This is what happens when idiots like you tell these people they have a right to be here, they endanger themselves to cross illegally just to be detained. If anyone is responsible for her death it is YOU and people like you telling them to come.

Jesus was a Socialist? I see you believe in Jesus, as long as it fits your arguments now?

LOL. George Orwell (not his name, really Eric Arthur Blair) fought actual fascists, so for a brief period he thought Communism was the good guy. Soon he learned, and guess what, he fought Commies too! He was no Socialist. He even wrote a book about the dangers of Communism/Marxism called Animal Farm! Orwell was anti-totalitarianism, not anti-capitalism.

This is why you like to keep your definition of Socialism vague and amorphous, so when it doesn't work like with Hitler you can say it wasn't Socialism. Then when a group or individual does some thing good you can say "look Socialism!".

Socialism has nothing of its own, it is parasitic in nature and requires the theft of resources of others, usually at the expense of the goals of the group or individual in the name of spreading Marxist ideologies. Socialism and Communism are a mind virus. Its only job is to spread itself at all costs.

How long do you think the list of villains with Socialist tendencies would be? I think much longer.

Yes, I am sure the dehydration was during that 90 minute bus ride, not the hike thru the desert that the father exposed her to.

Just as predicted the Socialists and Commies roll in and try to take credit for everyone elses work and hijack the group and redirect it toward implementing Marxist ideologies. They are parasites and can build nothing of their own. I saw the exact same shit happen to Occupy in the US. Before you know it, it will be yellow vest consensus by hand sparkle (because clapping can trigger people). Communists and Socialists LAARP as revolutionaries, but the real result is they help maintain the status quo.

...and I never claimed you said that. I get the impression Theymos spends more time reading about these issues than most of you jamokes here. Just because he doesn't waste all day jibbering about it doesn't make him less informed. Yes the UK needs to deal with its shit, not sure what you mean by "your" but I am not a resident.

You got some nuts with the whole globe sticking their nose into American life top to bottom to criticize Americans for having an opinion on Brexit. Sorry, the world doesn't get to have opinions about us while we all stay quiet any more. Also unfortunately Brexit effects us too.

And? Does the fact that they are federal crimes make it any less of an issue? The only sleight of hand is when you tilt your head a bit of that Postmodernist mind mush you call a brain leaks out and you wipe it from your ear. That and the fact you rely on collectivized state level stats to hide the exceptional levels of crime in Southern regional border states. Most crime is state level. You claim it is more accurate while in the same breath use the fact that some states have very low numbers of illegal immigrants as some kind of proof of their law abidingness.

Also most illegal immigrants DON'T CALL THE COPS, but lets pretend that part has no effect on the reported stats shall we? if anything the stats are UNDER reported. Illegal aliens are not more law abiding than citizens here of any sort. Every link you post requires some leftist to massage the stats other people present until they get the result they like. Also once again, even if every illegal immigrant was an angel, it still gives them no right to flood into the country, no matter how Postmodern your views on borders are.




I just wanted to check to see how off your rocker you are, and you confirmed fully thank you. Essentially your view is no nation is valid and no one has rights to their land, borders, or anything because at some point in time it was taken by conquest. A subgroup of the population that doesn't break laws? How about law abiding citizens? Actually you brought up Europe, but far be it from me to expect you to even remember the crap you spew at me mindlessly.

I am not retracting anything. Open borders was fine for Europe when it was limited and the nations sharing those open borders shared a similar culture. That is different from just the open flooding in of immigrants from the 3rd world. As you can see that has been having negative effects on Europe for some time, and this is why you have the yellow vest movement. They aren't protesting gas tax, they are protesting the crushing weight of uncontrolled immigration combined with a welfare state. Those conditions are going to end, either in revolution or horrible failure, or maybe both. Of course people like you will claim you were right even as your own home is over run and burned to the ground, your last breath preaching tolerance and sacrifice, your ego too important to sacrifice, even for your life.





2. So your argument is that having no security or checks on a border does not make moving contraband (including sex slave children) across it easier? You are free to have your own opinions, but not free to have your own reality. Either way under your scenario they still have a group of people to hide among. This is obviously a pretty retarded argument to anyone with any critical thought abilities.

4. You know, it really sucks some people live in bad places. I wish that was not reality, but it is reality, and inviting them all here to join us is not going to make anything better for anyone. In fact the end result will be worse for all parties, including the immigrants. Immigration has always been controlled to allow time for assimilation into the culture, without this the fabric of the USA is eroded, but people like you often think this is a desirable result.

5. Oh I ruined Honduras now? Fuck you and your guilt projection. Just calling it simple doesn't magically make it simple, though I know that concept is one Postmodernists and Socialists struggle with. I am convinced you are a fool, and I have a right to not let fools like you destroy my country with your moronic catastrophe of an ideology.




It is a fact, Hitler helped form the National Socialist German Workers Party. I know it is an embarrassing fact you socialists try to avoid at all costs, because if we started looking into every dictator who came to power using the promises of Socialism, the bodies would pile high and fast. You can't have that now can you? Easier to just make a joke out of it and pretend it is irrelevant and just avoid the whole discussion right?

You are either exceptionally incompetent or exceptionally duplicitous. I am not sure which but it doesn't much matter as the results are the same, just like it doesn't matter if you THINK you are bias against this nation, when you, in fact and action are.

Once again you can go fuck yourself with your projections of guilt. If you want to go self flagellate over it privately have at it, you don't get to pretend it entitles you to have me join you. You don't know what happened to that girl, and previously you were even saying they killed her with intent to punish them. You walking that one back now?

I submit the girl was already seriously ill, and they were trying to come here to get free healthcare. They knew if they checked the box that said she was ill, they would be quarantined and possibly have entry delayed. How is ICE supposed to protect the lives of people if they are actively lying to them about their condition? No what is most logical is they murdered a little girl to show the rest of those bastards what happens if you try to come here right?

It has ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING to do with your welcome mat. Morons like you preach the word that they are all welcome and that it is legal for them to flood in over our border, and that its ok because it is a "human right". Because of this they take huge risks to their lives and the lives of their children for a chance to get in, but then they get here and realize you were full of shit, but only after they made the dangerous expensive journey. Of course you don't give a fuck about any immigrants, you give a fuck that they serve to spread the good word of Postmodernism, and you get to feel good about yourself leaving bottles of water for them from your position of superiority.

Yes, you are repeatedly trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants. Also that is complete horse shit which I had already refuted with documentation from the GAO.

"That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population."

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities


Illegal immigrants by their very entry into the nation illegally show they have no regard for our laws. Even if what you said were true (it absolutely is not) it still would not make it ok that they illegally flood the country.




I see, so this country will forever be the spoils of war. Not any other country of course, no, just the evil USA. No other country was founded by conquest, only here. Everyone does not break laws, and your "stat" is horse shit. Your "oh white men commit more terror" act is ABSOLUTELY what about-ism, and false at that. We aren't talking about Europe Captain Distraction, we are talking about the USA. Furthermore I don't think you want to use Europe as an example of the successes of open borders.





2. I don't give a fuck what you like or want. Your argument is now having an open border DOESN'T make smuggling easier? Also you are just going to gloss over the fact it makes it easier to traffic children for prostitution?

3. You are CONSTANTLY saying shit that conflicts with everything else you say. It is a consequence of having no principals and the mental gymnastics you do to try to pretend like you have an argument. OH I SEE! The BORDER ITSELF is responsible for the rape and murder! Wow it is all so clear now. I never knew geographic lines were capable of such horrors.

4.  You have a total misunderstanding of ... pretty much everything in life that stems from your generalization of entire populations simply because they disagree with you. Keep your psychoanalysis to yourself Dr. Phil. Unless you want some one with real knowledge in this area to rip apart your frail little belief systems. You don't know shit about me.

"a. there are a lot of criminals in central america" - CHECK
"b. the refugees are coming from central america" - I never said they were all from S.A., but this current wave mostly is, yes.
"c. therefore, the refugees are criminals" - Fuck you. Don't speak for me. I never said all "refugees" are criminals.

Also they aren't "refugees", they aren't fleeing a war, they are economic migrants. Every word you use to describe them is a manipulative lie. It seems so simple to you because you are ignoring vast amounts of information because it conflicts with what you WANT to be true, and with your emotions, not because you are some superior evolved being that has more understanding than us racist plebeians who argue against you. People benefiting from crime have ALL THE REASON TO COME HERE, because this is where the valuable shit to steal is, and the people to sell drugs to and victimize live. This statement contains zero logic on your part (as usual).

5. GREAT NEWS! Legal immigration already exists, so your wish has come true. The fact that you want endless uncontrolled amounts of impoverished low skilled people to flood into the country is irrelevant. What you are advocating for is simply the same as the other bullshit you have said, only with a rubber stamp on top.

6. MOST 2ND GENERATION IMMIGRANTS ARE HERE AS A RESULT OF LEGAL IMMIGRATION. The rest of your argument is fucking pointless as a result.




Oh I am aware you are not the good guy. You are the willfully ignorant naive guy who thinks he is helping but ends up destroying everything. Most American citizens are complicit in murder? WHAT? You really are heavily indoctrinated against this nation aren't you?

The Holocaust happened because of knobs like you engaging in a hive mind mentality marching people to their doom with a smile the whole time reassuring them everything will be fine, and their fears are unwarranted, just like you are doing. I might add they were Socialists too...

Nice paywalled article btw, very moving. So your argument is that ICE some how poisoned her in the what 90 minutes she was on the bus? They had signed a form she was healthy 90 minutes prior. Your argument is not that she was actually ill and lied, but that ICE come how secretly killed her on that 90 minute bus ride to punish her father for crossing illegally?

Yes, why should the people who put that child in that situation in the first place be responsible right? Oh a humanitarian crisis is it? Well perhaps if retards like you didn't just put out the welcome mat, they wouldn't have the incorrect impression they could just stroll on in now would they? I submit that YOU AND YOUR IDEOLOGY are the humanitarian crisis causing ALL of this.

https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/12/10/cdc-possibility-that-vaccines-rarely-trigger-autism/

Interesting quote from CDC official. CDC: “Possibility” that vaccines rarely trigger autism. Sounds like the usual slow walk they do when they know they are facing massive liabilities.

These fuckin' loons think we can just swing the doors open and hand out teddy bears and everything will be fine.

Yeah, your article behind a paywall is very convincing. "As you understand" you need to understand you have been sold a load of horse shit, and think you have a barrel of apples. Bite into one and see how it tastes.

You are using the general statistics for "immigrants", including legal immigrants, and claiming that represents illegal immigrants. I don't care if you call them basketballs there is still a difference between legal and illegal immigration.




What fucking spoils? The spoils that were had hundreds of years ago by deceased people? We deserve to be here more than any one else because WE ARE CITIZENS AND WE PAY TAXES AND ABIDE BY THE LAW. By definition, if you come here illegally YOU DO NOT RESPECT THE LAW. Not enforcing borders means by DEFAULT THERE IS NO NATION. No nation can withstand open borders combined with a welfare state, it is IMPOSSIBLE.

I didn't rob anyone to get what I have, I fucking worked for it, and so did the vast majority of Americans who don't want you handing out THEIR SHIT so YOU CAN FEEL BETTER ABOUT YOURSELF, and in the end help no one, but harm many.




2. And travelers are not terrorists, but we still check people for bombs before they get on a plane. The FACT is that not just drug smugglers, but HUMAN SMUGGLERS hide among "asylum seekers", and they are usually moving children to be prostituted. Why should you care though right? You got to put water out in the desert and feel good about yourself.

3. Those sites are trash. I just used them so you couldn't dismiss them as being "right wing", and show how your own ideology is in conflict with itself constantly. The fact is most women are raped trying to cross illegally, and that doesn't even count the rape resulting from the sex trafficking.

4. So their society is some how more dangerous, but at the same time they will come here and magically they lave their dangerous and criminal habits behind huh? Amazing. You should just change your name to Hegel and get it over with Captain Postmodern.

5. And fuck everyone who already came here legally that is trying to improve their lives right? The fact is without crossing thru a legal port of entry and being processed correctly they are not medically screened and WILL BRING DEADLY PATHOGENS with them.

6. Most 2nd generation immigrants came here legally. Here you go again trying to lump legal law abiding immigrants with criminal illegal immigrants to try to make your unsupportable ideology look better.

7. Nice whataboutisms. It is a COMPLETELY RATIONAL FEAR and the WHOLE REASON things like the TSA exist. It is a fact terrorists and foreign actors are infiltrating our unsecured southern border. All your horse shit red herrings about white men being terrorists is a meaningless distraction from the fact that YOU HAVE NO ARGUMENTS. All you have is feelings, theories, and moralizing like a modern day puritan.



Yes, what is important is that you can tell yourself you are doing good, regardless of how much pain and destruction it causes. As long as you feel like you are the good guy, that is what is most important, and anyone else who disagrees with you wants to genocide brown people.

Yes, it is not the fault of the psychos bringing children into a fucking desert on foot, no, I.C.E. killed her to "punish them" for crossing. You are fucking out of your mind, really you belong in a padded room.

"no bad publicity" is horse shit, especially when geopolitics and the very institution of banking financial servitude are involved. They are conditioning the population that crypto is used for evil things, preparing us for the day they enact serious restrictions on it. It IS going to happen, it is just a matter of time. Watch as you see the state sanctioned good coins, and all the other coins become the Iranian, ISIS, Russian, drug dealer, North Korean, hacker, Chinese, global warming coins.

They are paving the way for the crypto lock down so they can then pull the plug on the regular financial system so crypto doesn't serve as a lifeboat for escape, because every dollar you lose in the fire sale they get to keep. Really though the money is just a tool to extract total control and submission from all of us.

You touched on something very important here I forgot to mention. IMO this was at the center of the MTGOX scandal. In the case of MTGOX it appears to be an inside job. The idea was "oh we got hacked at the market bottom! I guess since all that Bitcoin is gone we must pay our debts in cash!".  When a company has obligations to you via these contracts, when they owe you a debt, they can choose to pay you in USD (or other relevant legal tender) value instead of crypto.

They do the same thing with gold and silver. In the case of MTGOX, I think they thought it would be the perfect crime to rob themselves at market bottom, create minimum possible dollar value liabilities, the market crashes more because of the hack, they accumulate even more, then pay everyone off in USD and Yen while they hold all the soon to be heavily revalued upward Bitcoin while they file for bankruptcy and use that sweet Bitcoin to pay lawyers fees.

Yeah because you are certainly some one I would trust to tell me about the functions of human nature. Acting like an animal is not human nature. There are consequences to being promiscuous. I am not doing anything but advocating for a cultural norm. You are however performing a rather embarrassing act of projection as you contort your argument and jam it into a snarky little refractory box that you think cleverly argues against me using my own logic. What you have is nonsense word salad that is impressive only in your own narcissistic mind.

Building society is more important than your feelings, more important than fucking, more important than your delusional Postmodernist dumpster fire of experimentation on society. As usual you have nothing but Hegalian contortions and baseless claims.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-89g1BJZ3Ts

Notice the date.