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681  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / [Off-topic part] [ANN] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: January 22, 2013, 02:34:19 PM
I didn't even read the paper but I already know I'd mostly likely agree with the above poster. (well except with the very last sentence  Roll Eyes)

Mike Hearn I appreciate your coding work but man do I hope you never end up in any position of influence or decision making because your convoluted worldviews actually scare me. I can't even understand how a coder, working with logic and math everyday, can fall victim to such an obvious and blatant fallacy as is the belief in a democratic system as the system we should strive to improve and implement for our benefit. That just baffles me.  Sad

I've seen many of your posts and I'm aware you're a libertarian. So, I wonder (honestly, this is not an irony), why do you think representative democracy is less worse than a more direct one?

The reason is exceptionally simple: I do not agree to being governed by anyone without my contractually arranged explicit consent and so I do not and ever will agree to voting. The whole concept to me is repugnant and I could never understand how anyone could think they may force me or anyone else to do something or follow some rules just because they took a vote and some majority of some people somewhere voted so.

I apologize for my off topic post

Why don't you use your admin privileges to create a new thread with the posts talking about this "delegated democracy" thing, and remove them from here?
The topic is interesting, but it indeed has no place here.

My moderator's privileges extend only to two sections: Bitcoin discussions and Economics.
682  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / [Off-topic part] [ANN] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: January 22, 2013, 01:23:28 PM
. . . Mike now goes on to reinvent representative democracy.

Haha, thanks Smiley Actually that's an old interest. Here's a paper I wrote about 6 years ago:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jidmNJHWAtsPLCUD7EPPm8jOEV93kSXbZOMycqCWOyA/edit?authkey=CN7BnLUG&authkey=CN7BnLUG

It covers how to use secure hardware to build a new kind of democracy where votes can be delegated by topic up a tree of representatives. I think these days people call it "liquid democracy". I never did anything with the idea. The paper talks about smart cards but Trezor style devices are a better fit.
Mike. That was a really neat article!
Truly among great minds. I feel humbled.
This was one of my motivations that got me started on the Bitsafe HW Wallet project.
It's so nice to see it on paper.
The whole paper is an expose on how the ultra-naive think about democracy. Here's a short quote:
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They can then walk away with their token, secure in the knowledge that it cannot be tied to their real identity.
Then they walk to the party headquarters where they exchange their voting token for one issue of election sausage.

In addition to the above the paper has a whole section entitled "Vote buying" that completely omits the discussion of buying the voting smartcards.

In summary: the whole paper meets the definition of ultra-naivette. May God bless the heart of its author.

I didn't even read the paper but I already know I'd mostly likely agree with the above poster. (well except with the very last sentence  Roll Eyes)

Mike Hearn I appreciate your coding work but man do I hope you never end up in any position of influence or decision making because your convoluted worldviews actually scare me. I can't even understand how a coder, working with logic and math everyday, can fall victim to such an obvious and blatant fallacy as is the belief in a democratic system as the system we should strive to improve and implement for our benefit. That just baffles me.  Sad


I apologize for my off topic post but I was very concerned with Mike for a long time now and I just couldn't hold it back anymore and had to get it off my chest. I just can't help it but psychopathic statists scare me.
683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom Mansion: Press conference 2013-01-19 GMT on: January 22, 2013, 01:05:35 PM
Researchers Warn: Mega's New Encrypted Cloud Doesn't Keep Its Megasecurity Promises

just not do-able with javascript alone still these days i guess

This is essentially the same problem blockchain or any other javascript-based wallet suffers from.

I'm guessing third-party plugins will pop up that verify the mega javascript code.

Are plugins once peer reviewed actually secure?
684  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom Mansion: Press conference 2013-01-19 GMT on: January 22, 2013, 01:01:06 PM
+1, good analysis. I agree.

Maybe gmail could incorporate encryption.


Not going to happen.

Just look at hushmail.com and how they were dealt with. As far as I know they did in fact offer actual embedded encryption meaning a user didn't need to do anything outside of merely logging in and sending an email to another hushmail user in order to have his correspondence encrypted. And while this still holds true for the contents of an email account they were since forced by LEAs (I believe at least that this is the case) to add algos that spy on emails in the moment before they are encrypted and sent out.

The only way this will become an industry standard is if some rouge companies around the world like Mega, not in anyway connected with the US, decide to take on and resist huge pressure by various states grasping for power and engage in a constant legal battle of survival and you can call me a pessimist but I don't see many people lining up to voluntarily seek a beating like Kim Dotcom is even though I sincerely wish there were..
685  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANN] BitcoinStore.com (Beta) - Electronics super store with over 500K items! on: January 22, 2013, 12:16:48 PM
I give the store 5/5 starts from me. I ordered an item 1. 9. 2013 and got it today, shipped here to EU. I got what I ordered and it works as advertised and I'm very happy.  Cool

You really need to give your site's navigation some reworking....

Yep, that's about the only major flaw I could see with bitcoinstore.com but it didn't really effect because I was willing to spend some extra time and thoroughly search their site for the item I needed.
686  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-01-18 forexmagnates.com - Q4 2012 Forex Magnates Report now available on: January 22, 2013, 11:01:58 AM
I admit my ignorance on AML & bitcoin, but is there a way to monitor this?

The same way as one would attempt to monitor a cash only business: accounting books + voluntary ID gathering + honesty Smiley. Other than this there's no way to realistically monitor who sends what to whom in bitcoins.
687  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A novel attack against bitcoin on: January 21, 2013, 10:32:51 PM
anyway that's that wiki leaks is for. their database is also distributed and equally impossible to control.

Not to mention a way cheaper way to distribute info.
688  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-01-18 forexmagnates.com - Q4 2012 Forex Magnates Report now available on: January 21, 2013, 10:19:49 PM
Hey Ron,

It's great to see information about Bitcoin spread in important circles so I'm happy you included it in your report. Although you seem to have a good grasp on Bitcoin I'd still like to give you a couple of suggestions on how you could improve your report. First, call it Bitcoin for the system and bitcoins for the currency, bit-coins is a tell-tale sign that you're really new to Bitcoin and you might face a credibility problem. Second "to become a bit-coin merchant, a broker works with a third party payment gateway to receive and send payments." is confusing and I'm not sure exactly if it can even apply to Bitcoin. There are no payment gateways, just peers in a peer to peer network. All a merchant really needs is the Bitcoin software, either on their own system or hosted by a third party.

Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to give a copy of the entire section on Bitcoin to someone reputable within this community for a proof reading in order to avoid such inaccuracies/confusion. But if that doesn't work for you here are two links that do a great job at correcting common misconceptions:
http://blog.bitinstant.com/blog/2012/7/5/a-business-primer-on-the-bitcoin-ecosystem-erik-voorhees.html
http://bitcoinmagazine.com/common-misconceptions-about-bitcoin-a-guide-for-journalists/

And if you have any questions or need help with anything don't hesitate to ask.
689  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoins Can Inflate Too - Stop worrying about deflation. on: January 21, 2013, 09:04:07 PM
A sudden bout of deflation is bad, because most of the economy would grind to a halt.

But a gentle course into a slight and stable deflation is an entirely different matter.

Even this isn't true because there are some scenarios where a "sudden bout of deflation" is exactly what is needed. One or two that I can think of would be in the case of say the hurricane Katrina devastating a large region. It would be in the best interest of the people of such a region to drastically reduce their consumption and start intensive saving in order to accumulate enough capital to rebuild everything that got destroyed and it would be perfectly ok if that meant that some non life sustaining businesses went under. Same goes for a whole sector of the economy one day realizing it's bankrupt.. in order for the economy to remain healthy, the people who lost their jobs would need to drastically cut back on their consumption until they could find other employment even if that meant for the broader economy to focus on the essential businesses.


Price deflation all else being equal just means that there is less demand and there are plenty of cases where less demand is the perfectly logical course of action which will ultimately lead to people in general being better off.
690  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most profitable Bitcoin companies on: January 21, 2013, 05:28:17 PM
Adding http://www.bitcoinstore.com/ and bitstamp.

bitstamp's monthly "sales" is 1,3M if you want to treat them the same as mtgox

$ or BTC ?

$1,2 - $1,3M source: 30day http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/bitstampUSD_trades.html
691  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most profitable Bitcoin companies on: January 21, 2013, 04:47:15 PM
Adding http://www.bitcoinstore.com/ and bitstamp.

bitstamp's monthly "sales" is 1,3M if you want to treat them the same as mtgox
692  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Kim Dotcom Mansion: Press conference 2013-01-19 GMT on: January 21, 2013, 11:58:59 AM
While I don't like all the hubris, I must say the guy has the right view on things and is moving some shit.

I must say I'm reversing my perception of him..
693  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: January 21, 2013, 11:31:35 AM
Kinda wish I didn't buy 2 oz in mid December before the correction and bought BTC instead :s Btw I bought BTC too just worth a lot less than 2oz of Au.
694  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is the most dangerous item to short. on: January 21, 2013, 11:29:00 AM
If you are holding any other assets and not in bitcoins you are by definition short bitcoins.

No you are not.  Shorting is being lent an asset and selling it (to buy it at lower price later and give back to lender).

Thnx for the lesson in trading terminology ...

... short is also used to mean "not long".


when you say short bitcoin when you are not holding it, you were use bitcoin as benchmark, in that way, yes, you are shorting bitcoins by not long.
Your underlying assumption is natural position is holding all your assets in bitcoin.


... and we have a winner.

The guy who is obsessed with mucus and nasal emissions must have pulled out some brains at some point I think.

Measuring your worth in bitcoins should be the new norm for anybody who is serious about this little experiment .... all others are short by definition ... there are no 'neutral' positions, that is a fallacy peddled by fiat-meisters, all assets are in play. All wealth assets are measured with respect to something else, when you can realise that you have begun your journey to wealth and understanding money.

Being "in" dollars is the same thing to being long dollars and being in bitcoin is the same thing as being short dollars, there is no difference (some quibble about leverage but leverage of 1 is still short). If you sell any asset you are a natural short since if you were to ever buy that asset back again you would either gain or lose on the round-trip, so all trades include a long and a short component, it is inescapable.

^ this makes perfect sense.
695  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is the most dangerous item to short. on: January 21, 2013, 10:17:49 AM
I sold bitcoins yesterday on 12€, placed an order to buy at 10.7

There's my bet.

ouch  Cheesy
696  Economy / Economics / Re: What is bitcoin backed by? My favorite answers on: January 21, 2013, 09:37:07 AM
The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.

Exactly. My favorite answer is: The same thing gold is backed by.

Not exactly.

Bitcoin and gold are both backed by the same thing - their unparalleled utility as a medium of exchange satisfying Aristotle's prerequisites:

So you tell me "not exactly" and then you repeat my words? Huh?

Yes, but no.  You were half right.   Grin

'Not exactly' referred to your assertion that "Bitcoin doesn't have backing."  Bitcoin and gold are backed by their utility as ideal media of exchange.

Oh I see, the problem is actually that you don't understand what the meaning of "being backed by" is.. Tell me, can I cash in my 1btc or 1gram of gold and get utility as ideal medium of exchange out of them? And how does utility as ideal medium of exchange look like?

valued properties != backing, mkay?
697  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should the exchanges close on the weekends? on: January 21, 2013, 12:20:55 AM
Market-changing information occurs over the weekend as well (with announcements oftentimes timed specifically for release over the weekend.)

Example: Pirateat40 posted his announcement that he was going to shut down his ponzi on a Saturday afternoon (GMT+1) which caused a huge reaction in the market.
698  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should the exchanges close on the weekends? on: January 20, 2013, 03:16:21 PM
Exchanges *should* do what they *want* to do. But if their goal is to maximize profits then they should do what their customers want them to do and market conditions permit them to do.

699  Economy / Economics / Re: What is bitcoin backed by? My favorite answers on: January 20, 2013, 03:14:20 PM
Bitcoin is backed by math.

So I can cash 1 BTC and get some amount of math?
700  Economy / Economics / Re: What is bitcoin backed by? My favorite answers on: January 20, 2013, 10:44:11 AM
The question is misleading. Bitcoin doesn't have backing. But other things may be backed by bitcoin.

Exactly. My favorite answer is: The same thing gold is backed by.

Not exactly.

Bitcoin and gold are both backed by the same thing - their unparalleled utility as a medium of exchange satisfying Aristotle's prerequisites:

So you tell me "not exactly" and then you repeat my words? Huh?
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