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741  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 08, 2013, 12:44:24 PM
therefore, that this could be a safe line for him. if his estimation is wrong , he only lose those dividends, if he made right perception, then He can hold the assets for almost free in the future...

You're an utter fool.

PAJKA has been operating for a year. Since then, the bond has paid out in dividends far more than the principle. How do you recon paying out more than 100% interest per year is a 'safe line'?

According to your logic of issuers of PMBs being scammers because they know the difficulty would go up enough to never have to repay their principal, the issuer must have known more than a year ago, before BFL even started accepting orders, that somewhere around now, ASICs would finally start shipping. They would at the same time be willing to pay more than what they got in return to, I don't know, spite you?

I guess it follows the same logic the rest of your reasoning does, the reasoning that leads you to believe that technology from the year 2022 is already here.

The same logic that leads you to believe that atoms can be split and still remain the same atoms.

It's the same logic that got you to completely and fundamentally misunderstand what you had bought, thinking that you could beg yourself to more money.

The same logic that brought you so much shame you resort to lying to try to save face.

If there is a scammer, liar, beggar, and idiot here, it is you.

.b

I do not care about how much PAJKA had paid last year...I just care how much well they paid in the future ?why you fucking idiot always get personal attack here? are you out of you mind ? stupid old man...if you think the money you invest today will pays you back in 10 years later is a good investment ,then just do what you like...may be you can alive for more then 100 years ..time does not a problem to you , if you think I am wrong , calculating you estimation ,shows me you formula like what I did...STOP persona ATTACK...you fucking stupid old man!!!!!
742  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 08, 2013, 12:48:35 AM
Check out copy from my trading.... I made a mistake in the begin I bought someone's option 227 at 0.1125, but I really only loss 5.7 in total sell...

So that buyer was you. How fun, I was the seller on a lot of what you bought on May 12. Now I bought the shares back at close to half the price.



Sucks to not do your homework, doesn't it?

Next time you haphasardly head into an investment, like I offered previouisly, just send me the money directly, I'd be happy to save your from the public embarassement.

.b
Never mind , 5btc is the cost to pay for what I have learned .
Only I pray for you the shares you bought today will far decrease its value.i hope you will shorting out them in the future or waiting for another fish coming. Only one person will benefit from this game is the issuer.I am totally ok for what I loss .since AM price was double since last month which account for 80%of my stock.
743  Economy / Securities / Re: PMB, is that really a good decision?? on: June 08, 2013, 12:38:39 AM
No, all current PMBs on the market are not good decisions.
This what I had though.. The issuer had premium advantage over those poor holders..
744  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 08, 2013, 12:06:53 AM
Am I correct?  

No, you are not, and saying the same wrong thing a lot of times doesn't make it right.

When I told you that an issuer would never want to increase the payments, you were as stubborn and wrong then too, until I wrote an article to explain it to you, at which point you completely freaked out and sold at up to a 45% loss.

.b
Check out copy from my trading.... I made a mistake in the begin I bought someone's option 227 at 0.1125, but I really only loss 5.7 in total sell...
10%...which I noticed their is not future for holding it. I did step by step calculation for you ,why you still not understand it?? Please convince me which part of my calculation went wrong ? Mr.doctor for PAJKA BOND or PMB....
745  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 08, 2013, 12:03:07 AM
Am I correct?  

No, you are not, and saying the same wrong thing a lot of times doesn't make it right.

When I told you that an issuer would never want to increase the payments, you were as stubborn and wrong then too, until I wrote an article to explain it to you, at which point you completely freaked out and sold at up to a 45% loss.

.b
only net loss 5.3 below is my transaction I do not know how to upload picture ...but I am not liar.....if you think you are right then time will tell...

2013-06-07 21:25:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   16   0.06   0.00192   0.95808
2013-06-07 21:25:33   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.0605   0.000484   0.241516
2013-06-07 21:25:32   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.061   0.000488   0.243512
2013-06-07 21:25:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   15   0.07   0.0021   1.0479
2013-06-07 21:25:29   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:25   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.072   0.000144   0.071856
2013-06-07 21:25:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   3   0.0721   0.0004326   0.2158674
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.073   0.00146   0.72854
2013-06-07 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   6   0.073001   0.00087601   0.43712998
2013-06-07 21:00:38   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.089631   0.00017926   0.08945173
2013-06-06 21:19:23   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.095   0.0019   0.9481
2013-06-06 21:19:21   PAJKA.BOND   sell   8   0.095   0.00152   0.75848
2013-06-06 11:48:31   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.101   0.00202   1.00798
2013-06-06 06:55:26   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.101   0.000202   0.100798
2013-06-06 04:52:51   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.099   0.00495   2.47005
2013-06-06 04:52:49   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.0991   0.001982   0.989018
2013-06-06 04:52:48   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.099101   0.0001982   0.09890279
2013-06-05 22:38:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.106001   0.000212   0.10578899
2013-06-05 18:06:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.10897   0.00021794   0.10875206
2013-06-05 04:56:28   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.10897   0.0010897   0.5437603
2013-06-05 01:41:59   PAJKA.BOND   sell   26   0.10897   0.00566644   2.82755356
2013-06-04 00:11:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.099   0.00198   0.98802
2013-06-04 00:11:37   PAJKA.BOND   sell   20   0.099   0.00396   1.97604
2013-06-04 00:11:34   PAJKA.BOND   sell   2   0.0991   0.0003964   0.1978036
2013-06-03 23:29:36   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.109498   0.00021899   0.109279
2013-06-03 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   2   0.109499   0.00043799   0.21943599
2013-06-03 21:25:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   100   0.102   0.0204   10.1796
2013-06-03 21:25:14   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.102001   0.00428404   2.13773695
2013-06-03 21:25:09   PAJKA.BOND   sell   5   0.1035   0.001035   0.516465
2013-06-03 21:25:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   25   0.105   0.00525   2.61975
2013-06-03 21:25:01   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:24:56   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10479
2013-06-03 21:10:22   PAJKA.BOND   sell   13   0.1084   0.0028184   1.4063816
2013-06-03 21:10:19   PAJKA.BOND   sell   10   0.1086   0.002172   1.083828
2013-06-03 21:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   sell   4   0.10861   0.00086888   0.43357112
2013-06-03 21:09:42   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.1087   0.0019566   0.9763434
2013-06-03 21:03:39   PAJKA.BOND   sell   21   0.109   0.004578   2.284422
2013-06-03 21:03:35   PAJKA.BOND   sell   9   0.109   0.001962   0.979038
2013-06-03 19:50:47   PAJKA.BOND   sell   40   0.1098   0.008784   4.383216
2013-06-03 19:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   sell   1   0.1098   0.0002196   0.1095804
2013-06-01 22:45:04   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1099   0.0002198   0.1101198
2013-05-30 22:45:07   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.11   0.00022   0.11022
2013-05-28 22:45:06   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.10901   0.00021802   0.10922802
2013-05-26 22:45:06   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.109989   0.00021997   0.11020897
2013-05-24 22:45:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1099   0.0002198   0.1101198
2013-05-22 22:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.108987   0.00021797   0.10920497
2013-05-21 10:44:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.108989   0.00021797   0.10920697
2013-05-20 12:10:18   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.10899   0.00021798   0.10920798
2013-05-17 22:45:05   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1049   0.0002098   0.1051098
2013-05-16 06:39:35   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.105   0.00021   0.10521
2013-05-13 21:29:08   PAJKA.BOND   buy   1   0.1059   0.0002118   0.1061118
2013-05-12 00:50:24   PAJKA.BOND   buy   104   0.109998   0.02287958   11.46267158
2013-05-12 00:48:53   PAJKA.BOND   buy   107   0.1098   0.0234972   11.7720972
2013-05-12 00:46:22   PAJKA.BOND   option-buy   228   0.07   0   15.96
746  Economy / Securities / PMB, is that really a good decision?? on: June 07, 2013, 11:49:45 PM
Some guys in this forum is think I made a wrong decision...I just want to prove here , that I did not lie I have sold all my PAJKA bonds at made a net loss of 5.4 BTC..plus back the dividend I have received is 6.7 BTC.
6.7 BTC not a big deal anyway...I will be set off this by my AM shares in two weeks time... below is my assumption and future for PAJKA BOND...did I made anything wrong ?? I do like anyone to correct me....
Expected dividends to be paid by the issuer(after 6 months): use conservatively 15% increase of difficulty and increase each 12 days. (last time difficulty went up 26%) :  During the 6 months difficulty will adjusted by 180 days/12 =15 times
1:(12 days each): Current dividend is 0.46541752 per day for total 4814 shares. 15%increase of difficulty equals roughly 15% decrease of dividend.
2:                                                0.46541752*0.85=0.395605
3:                                                0.395605*0.85=0.33626425
4:                                                0.33626425*0.85=0.2858246125  
5:                                                0.2858246125*0.85=0.242950
6:                                                0.242950*0.85=0.2065
7:                                                0.2065*0.85=0.1755
8:                                                0.1755*0.85=0.1492
9:                                                0.1492*0.85=0.1268
10:                                              0.1268*0.85=0.1078
11:                                              0.1268*0.85=0.09163
12:                                              0.09163*0.85=0.07788
13:                                              0.07788*0.85=0.0662
14:                                              0.0662*0.85= 0.056
15:                                              0.056*0.85=0.04783    
Accumulated total dividends paid by the issuer: =2.831358*12=33.97 .gives it 35....OK? assume that issuer sold all contracts at 0.1 total 4841 equal to 481 BTC.
 the first half year you will have 7.06%(and continued decrease ) ROI on this asset....No capital gain or loss been calculate so far.....

Assuming half years later , if you are the issuer of this bond, what decision will you made ? continuing this bond and pays on needless dividend to those bond contract holder or pays 110% of market price to buying it back? .. assume the contract is still worth 0.1 half year later .what will you do ? If I am the bond holder I will absolutely continued my contracts because in the future I will pay less dividend . as the time goes, difficulty will continue growth....almost zero cost for the issuer to continued the contract . Am I correct?  
We assuming all investors are rational, they will only investing in the project which will maximize its profit... and this will caused another problem I want to sold out my bond contract , but no one will buying it ,because they have better opportunity.(TAT.V for example) (Logically right ?)
As a bondholder like you what is you decision ? you will selling your contract today to prevent future lose , or hold it wait for fools to buying it?

My calculation could not be that accurate, I really can not understand why someone still think PMB will be a good investment.
We all know that mining difficulty is link up with the BTC's price.... this why I never assume that difficulty will decline...if difficulty decline significantly, then I do not really care the issuer buying back more bonds at 110% at any price or not, I have been f*** anyway?Huh







747  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 07, 2013, 11:25:51 PM
We will see after two weeks what the price of PAJKA bond will be.......

You do realize that the price of PAJKA has been fairly steady for months prior to your stupidity, right? It's been hovering between 0.1 and 0.11 for a very long time and guess what's been happening to the difficulty during that time? That's right, Sherlock, it has been going up, rapidly. The network hashrate and difficulty has gone up 500% over the previous couple of months. Your 25% panic is a sign that you have absolutely no shread of knowledge about what you're saying. That's why I attack it because you insist on repeating the same nonsense again and again. Low volume is the reason your panic managed to drive the price down a bit temporarily, not that everyone has been completely oblivious to what's been going on in mining over the previous months.

And when you clearly lie, I point that out. Someone who paints is a painter, somone who bakes is a baker, and someone who lies is a liar.

I do not calculate anything I just use the calculation provides by the web-site. the use the formula compound the decline rate at 10 % increase at each 12 days...I know it is unfair advantage because all the calculator your uses ignoring the factors that difficulty will increase after time...therefore You assume my math is sack...

You have no idea what calculations I use. Your math sucks because you don't understand what you're investing in and thus have no idea how to apply that math. If I say that 2+2=4 and not 6 then I'm right, but that doesn't mean squat in terms of investing unless you know where to apply those numbers, something you've clearly demonstrated that you don't.

you can argue and debate with me ,but not personal attack...thanks

I attack your stupidity and lies and failed attempts at FUD. Whether you exhibit those behaviors is up to you, not me. You can stop being an idiot at any time you choose but instead you're stubborn, act like a child, and start lying.

This may be a culture shock to you, that someone confronts your attutide and behavior in this way. You may expect to get away with market manipulation, but that's not how it works in the real world. It's time to grow up, look yourself in the mirror, and think whether your feelings of hurt is really relevant to anyone but yourself and your mother.

Maintaining a stupid behavior when the stupidity has been clearly pointed out is a sign of fundamental stupidity. Your choice, not mine.

.b
I calculate fully for you...actually I really do not want to do...it really cost me time ...but you are really stupid and stubborn enough.

Expected dividends to be paid by the issuer(after 6 months): use conservatively 15% increase of difficulty and increase each 12 days. (last time difficulty went up 26%) :  During the 6 months difficulty will adjusted by 180 days/12 =15 times
1:(12 days each): Current dividend is 0.46541752 per day for total 4814 shares. 15%increase of difficulty equals roughly 15% decrease of dividend.
2:                                                0.46541752*0.85=0.395605
3:                                                0.395605*0.85=0.33626425
4:                                                0.33626425*0.85=0.2858246125  
5:                                                0.2858246125*0.85=0.242950
6:                                                0.242950*0.85=0.2065
7:                                                0.2065*0.85=0.1755
8:                                                0.1755*0.85=0.1492
9:                                                0.1492*0.85=0.1268
10:                                              0.1268*0.85=0.1078
11:                                              0.1268*0.85=0.09163
12:                                              0.09163*0.85=0.07788
13:                                              0.07788*0.85=0.0662
14:                                              0.0662*0.85= 0.056
15:                                              0.056*0.85=0.04783    
Accumulated total dividends paid by the issuer: =2.831358*12=33.97 .gives it 35....OK? assume that issuer sold all contracts at 0.1 total 4841 equal to 481 BTC.
 the first half year you will have 7.06%(and continued decrease ) ROI on this asset....No capital gain or loss been calculate so far.....

Assuming half years later , if you are the issuer of this bond, what decision will you made ? continuing this bond and pays on needless dividend to those bond contract holder or pays 110% of market price to buying it back? .. assume the contract is still worth 0.1 half year later .what will you do ? If I am the bond holder I will absolutely continued my contracts because in the future I will pay less dividend . as the time goes, difficulty will continue growth....almost zero cost for the issuer to continued the contract . Am I correct?  
We assuming all investors are rational, they will only investing in the project which will maximize its profit... and this will caused another problem I want to sold out my bond contract , but no one will buying it ,because they have better opportunity.(TAT.V for example) (Logically right ?)
As a bondholder like you what is you decision ? you will selling your contract today to prevent future lose , or hold it wait for fools to buying it?

My calculation could be wrong ,but I still happy about my decision...and hope you will good luck on your bond contract...there are premium advantage been taken by the issuer, I do not have better choice to prevent future lose !!!

748  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] TAT.VIRTUALMINE - IPO Later Today! (6/2/13) on: June 07, 2013, 10:43:03 PM
Print it out, hang it on your wall - upside down - and this is your PMB's value.



hmm, not bad... looks like ASICMINER Wink

You mean PMB value will increase?HuhHuh? I think right side to left....this correct.....

it's a joke - by rotating it instead of flipping on the Y axis, he's pointing out that the original complaining poster is just bloviating Smiley
Never mind, I just think long-time the PMB is worthless to buying..... What's your thoughts here? ?
I just selling out all my PMB assets.......
749  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 07, 2013, 10:29:20 PM
I sell my most PAJKA bonds at 0.1 something..only small amount of it at 0.6-0.99...I only made 5 BTC lose there...

No you didn't. Remember that all trades are public. You are a liar either now or before, but you just revealed yourself to be undeniably a liar.

Earlier, you wrote:
The answer is also important...as I hold about 500 contracts

Since that date, only 72 bonds have been traded at above 0.1. Even if I give you the benefit of the doubt because you may have meant 'I held' (I know English is not your primary language), I'm fairly certain that I can easily see when your panic started, which was on June 3 around 21:00 BTCT time. Since then, only 232 bonds have been sold above 0.1.

320 bonds have been sold below 0.9, though, so if you sold all your 500 bonds, that means someone else sold 52 bonds either below or above 0.1. In other words, you alone sold 90% of the bonds, and roughly 50% of your holdings were sold below 0.1.

You cannot possibly have sold 'most [your] PAJKA bonds at 0.1 something' because there hasn't been that many sales. Either you lie about your trades or your holdings, but you are undeniably a liar, and now you ask newbie investors to trust you. *tsk*

You shame yourself!

Further, someone, and I strongly suspect you been manipulating the prices by doing a 1-bond sale at market just after a market buy. That may be someone else looking to pick up your shares, so I won't hold that against you, but it's clear that you are the only one in a state of panic. When the rest of the world does not think the same thing you do, it is more often than not you who are wrong.

You can hold your PAJKA bonds...I think three months later You will believe I am right...
under current difficulty PAJKA bond will take 4500 days to recover what you have invested now....(based on 10% difficulty increase each 12 days)
Please, you think you are right...let's say if after two week ,you still can sold you asset above 0.1,I mean market average selling price over last week) then I will accepted I am wrong...

Your math sucks and your investor-foo is weak.

Go away, troll!

.b
We will see after two weeks what the price of PAJKA bond will be.......I do not calculate anything I just use the calculation provides by the web-site. It use the formula compound the decline rate at 10 % increase of difficulty at each 12 days...I know it is unfair advantage because all the calculator your uses ignoring the factors that difficulty will increase after time...therefore You assume my math is suck...
http://mining.btcfans.com/
The website is above anyone who know Chinese ,or willing to do a translate of the website(you could found out by yourself by putting 3/Mhash rate   per cost of 0.1 btc paid) if anyone think 4500 days is acceptable...... I am alright...then I made a mistake...I never think a investment repays me for 10 years time is a safe investment......!
I think sooner you will start worry about your contracts.... the market will tells everthing, before the market make their own judgement, please do not attack my knowledge and my perception...you can argue and debate with me ,but not personal attack...thanks
750  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 07, 2013, 09:40:32 PM
AM is the only asset can make dividend for you and you can sell it without capital lose(may be capital gain)...other asset, do not buy!!!! you will get burning yourself...

Based on your recent experiences in PAJKA, don't you think you should refrain from giving advice to anyone, given that your statements are so far off reality that you just voluntarily threw away 40% of your investment based on erroneous math?

You're a troll spreading FUD across the board. To anyone else, please do not listen to this character for a second.

.b
I sell my most PAJKA bonds at 0.1 something..only small amount of it at 0.6-0.99...I only made 5 BTC lose there...
You can hold your PAJKA bonds...I think three months later You will believe I am right...
under current difficulty PAJKA bond will take 4500 days to recover what you have invested now....(based on 10% difficulty increase each 12 days)
Please, you think you are right...let's say if after two week ,you still can sold you asset above 0.1,I mean market average selling price over last week) then I will accepted I am wrong...
751  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] TAT.VIRTUALMINE - IPO Later Today! (6/2/13) on: June 07, 2013, 09:35:31 PM
Print it out, hang it on your wall - upside down - and this is your PMB's value.



hmm, not bad... looks like ASICMINER Wink

You mean PMB value will increase?HuhHuh? I think right side to left....this correct.....
752  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: June 07, 2013, 09:30:36 PM
AM is the only asset can make dividend for you and you can sell it without capital lose(may be capital gain)...other asset, do not buy!!!! you will get burning yourself...
753  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 09:25:52 PM
Since there's no discussion of a game theory problem here, I have no idea what you mean by the asset prices reaching their Nash equilibrium unless you're referring to the panic-selling bond-substitution game I was talking about earlier.  The market can clear at a regular equilibrium, if that's what you mean...

EDIT: And your conjectures again assume a rational market (which is fine because that assumption is oftentimes all we ever have to work with)
I made a 5 BTC lose in PAJKA bond panic selling...you may think I am stupid to selling my assets at this low price...but All I want to convince here is PMB is not right assets right now...only if you can prove difficulty will maintain below increase 10% each 12 days....I think this only possible BTC price drop drop drop.....this what I do not want to see...I am bullish on BTC price....if BTC price decrease I do not care the dividend pay by this Bond...I made lose anyway....
754  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 09:13:51 PM
Looks like I've got my foot in my mouth.  I had this confused with JAH on BitFunder, which (God forbid I put my foot in my mouth again) is not dependent on the issuer's receiving the units.

My main point was to address the 200x coupon buyback clause - thanks for correcting me on this, I should've double-checked my facts before posting, sorry!
Lets me explain it, since new ASIC are ahead to hitting the market...He do not actually know about exactly difficulty will increase, he just want to betting on it...All ASIC devices are planned to hitting the market after three months, roughly estimate to avalon chips ,KNC and BFL(if they dilivery)
after three months we will know who wins the betting...therefore, that this could be a safe line for him. if his estimation is wrong , he only lose those dividends, if he made right perception, then He can hold the assets for almost free in the future...

We can't regulate market for this type of asset, because its return is forecast-able.
We can't rely on some fools to buying it, when there are better substitution.
755  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 09:06:32 PM
Looks like I've got my foot in my mouth.  I had this confused with JAH on BitFunder, which (God forbid I put my foot in my mouth again) is not dependent on the issuer's receiving the units.

My main point was to address the 200x coupon buyback clause - thanks for correcting me on this, I should've double-checked my facts before posting, sorry!
No worry....I bought a lot of TAT.V and sold all it above the price I bought.....I do not suggest anyone holding those PMB for long-time...it only can be sold out without loss when they are the best deal in the market......TAT is play a game here....which I have posted in above thread....
Long-term: once more people able to build ASICs....the price of ASIC will drop and difficulty will rise...util it reach its nash-equilibrium.
                not like other staff, during the competition of those ASIC's manufactures, that the price of ASIC will drop and in the same time the efficiency will increase...
If any PMB does't specific when will they buying back the bond...it just not reason for me to hold it...I hope you can understand my point and assumption here...
756  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
And keep in mind that the PAJKA upgrade isn't dependent on the issuer receiving BFL hardware - he just uses this as a benchmark event to initiate the upgrade.

I don't quite follow this statement.  From the OP:

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The bonds will be upgraded for free to 15Mhash/s per bond when ordered ASICs are delivered to us.


What is the distinction you are trying to draw?


if BFL delivery his order...he will upgrade to this hashrate...but whether BFL delivery or not ? how could we know??
757  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 08:50:09 PM
And one more thing...the 'buyback at 200x dividend' clause in TAT's contract is EXTREMELY dangerous for investors looking to pick up PMB's.  That right there is exactly why I'm not buying into it...when difficulty rises high enough, TAT will be perfectly allowed to re-purchase the bonds at a fraction of the principal, leaving investors with massive losses.

EDIT: If you consider that 3 Mh/s of TAT's bonds would cost 0.021 BTC...once the upgrade for PAJKA is implemented and the hashing power rises to 15 Mh/s, this would cost 0.105 BTC for the equivalent hashing power in TAT bonds.  And keep in mind that the PAJKA upgrade isn't dependent on the issuer receiving BFL hardware - he just uses this as a benchmark event to initiate the upgrade.
You really hope BFL will delivery?Huh?? when the BFL really delivered ,Some one may start selling machine at 500/GH at 2000 USD...
Also before I made selling out I was ask the issuer of PAJKA bond, ask him to upgrade our hashrate in order to link up with AM, before BFL really shipped...I think he reject me , it can be no doubt even this small request has been refused..You really think this guy will order another ASIC device and upgrade your hashrate??
remember, whether BFL delivery or not, how can you know?Huh ?not like ASICMINER you can check the hashrate online...
People are selfish, especially if the cost to collusion or cheating others is insignificant.
758  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 08:39:04 PM
And regardless, even if the difficulty is sky-high, the bond still pays a better interest rate than keeping BTC in cold storage...
I have the opportunity to investing my fund into AM....it is much better performance than a bond.
I just sold out all Pajka contracts...
A good news for you here....is if PAJKA want to attracting new investors...it need to drop its price below 0.021...because TAT.V just been approved on BTCT.... if anything right or wrong ,we will see in the future... Again if you are the lender here, you know you hold a essay which interest will decrease and decrease ,what will you do Huh I think the answer is clear, you will hold it .since it cost you less in the future..am I right?
if BTC price continue increase this mean the demand for mining will increase= difficulty increase..Since TAT.V there ,better bond  there..for those poor PAJKA bond's contracts holder, what they can do?Huh receiving less and less, never get their BTC back in full.....
759  Economy / Securities / Re: [BTCT.CO] PAJKA.BOND - 100% PPS 3Mhash mining bond - with free ASIC upgrade on: June 07, 2013, 08:14:28 PM
TAT, you found a big fan in me Grin


you just got 700BTC from the shareholders of the VIRTUALMINE. given, diffuculty won't raise, you have thereby enough money to pay them 180 days. what a pitty, that afterwards, you will have to throw in money each day (4btc each day, am i right?)

but hey ... what if difficulty might skyrocket and break through the magic petahash frontline? that might mean, that you will have to pay them 0.36 each day (alltogether, not each), or even less.

we are going to converge the daily income for 1MHs asymtotically to satoshis. You will pay them hundreds of years and still have >> 100 BTC profit.

That's such a good idea, that makes me jealous not having it on my own first  Cool

If you have left over some coins after buying more AM shares, go to your holidays--they're well-deserved


EDIT: I see, todays total divident payout was around 3.25, making it work for 233 days, if it stayed constant.
 
I am out at 0.0072499, made some profit....still nice investment right now...but for long time...we should see panic selling of those assets...so far the only thing can be bought for is AM....nothing else...

Another man noticed the trap behind those PMB......I hope I am over worry about the rinsing of difficulty....
760  Economy / Securities / Re: [BitFunder] TAT.VIRTUALMINE - IPO at 12PM EST - Early Bidding is Open on: June 07, 2013, 08:11:11 PM
TAT, you found a big fan in me Grin


you just got 700BTC from the shareholders of the VIRTUALMINE. given, diffuculty won't raise, you have thereby enough money to pay them 180 days. what a pitty, that afterwards, you will have to throw in money each day (4btc each day, am i right?)

but hey ... what if difficulty might skyrocket and break through the magic petahash frontline? that might mean, that you will have to pay them 0.36 each day (alltogether, not each), or even less.

we are going to converge the daily income for 1MHs asymtotically to satoshis. You will pay them hundreds of years and still have >> 100 BTC profit.

That's such a good idea, that makes me jealous not having it on my own first  Cool

If you have left over some coins after buying more AM shares, go to your holidays--they're well-deserved


EDIT: I see, todays total divident payout was around 3.25, making it work for 233 days, if it stayed constant.
 
I am out at 0.0072499, made some profit....still nice investment right now...but for long time...we should see panic selling of those assets...so far the only thing can be bought for is AM....nothing else...
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