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741  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 30, 2019, 12:53:58 PM
which bitcoin credit card do you guys use, can you recommend one?
Wirex

I thought we were all hodling?

spent and rebuy is the new hodling Smiley
Idk, selling the bottom sounds pretty legacy to me.
742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 12:54:21 PM
oh god not more faulty people staying alive thats all we need what ever happened to survival of the fittest or is that not allowed in your wonderful new socialist utopia

In our libertarian Utopia you will be able to purchase fitness for a few satoshis.
What if I wanted to be fitter than everybody else?
743  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 12:52:28 PM

Why "Fucking" jews?  Roll Eyes

But yes you would expect jewish people to find a cure for war first, since they are mostly dying from exchanging of missiles and bullets in their part of the world ...  Smiley
If I have to spell it out I won't feel funny anymore. Sad

Also partially curious to read about some Roach fantasies regarding this. Something like Jews throwing the world into disarray by indirectly increasing human population to unsustainable levels. How dare they cure cancer.
744  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 11:49:35 AM
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Is this shit for real? Fucking jews.
745  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
Going to take this opportunity to shill two prog rock albums in case anyone here is into that. Both are actually from 2017 as opposed to the 1970s though.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - Flying Microtonal Banana
As the name suggests, this one is microtonal, e.g. using notes that aren't represented on traditional chromatic 12-note scales.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - Polygondwanaland
This one isn't, but still good.

KGATLW, yeahhh.
Here is "The Crumbling Castle":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ycw7udHOnw

Opinions can vary, but I get goosebumps from this stuff.
Didn't expect someone to actually know them on here. Coincidentally, Crumbling Castle was playing at one of the university cafes, which is how I learned about them.

Have you listened to any of their other albums that you can recommend? Seems like they've been pretty busy with five albums in just 2017.
746  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 29, 2019, 09:46:43 AM
Going to take this opportunity to shill two prog rock albums in case anyone here is into that. Both are actually from 2017 as opposed to the 1970s though.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - Flying Microtonal Banana
As the name suggests, this one is microtonal, e.g. using notes that aren't represented on traditional chromatic 12-note scales.
I checked this out. I wouldn't call it prog rock - it lacks the complication and the grandiosity. It sounds like psych rock to me. Good though.
Prog was the first/only thing I could think of due to the odd time signatures, but yeah it's definitely far more simple than stuff like Supper's Ready or Close To The Edge. Not really aware of any psych rock, so that didn't cross my mind.

Thanks for this. Listening to the 1st one and I like it!

Merited.
Thanks, glad you like it.



Aren't most people convinced of a dystopian future? Replacing the dollar and possibly a technological singularity sound like at least a quasi-utopia to me though.
747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 11:44:28 AM
Going to take this opportunity to shill two prog rock albums in case anyone here is into that. Both are actually from 2017 as opposed to the 1970s though.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - Flying Microtonal Banana
As the name suggests, this one is microtonal, e.g. using notes that aren't represented on traditional chromatic 12-note scales.

King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard - Polygondwanaland
This one isn't, but still good.
748  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 10:59:19 AM
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You seem to argue that if someone is suffering from ANY injustice they should have no recourse; they should just ‘shut the fuck up’?
This one point I'll clear up.

I originally stated that people who don't work on improving their own situation and choose to complain instead don't deserve better. The reason for this is that they've given up on themselves by choosing to complain, and thus can't possibly expect things to magically improve. Basically a you reap what you sow argument.

This has nothing to do with advocating on behalf of others, as complaining is not equivalent to advocating and "on behalf of others" is not equivalent to "complaining about your own situation instead of working on it".

Do I wish everyone (who isn't an outright twat that is out to hurt people) the best even if they don't deserve it? Sure. Is that mutually exclusive? No. People who don't work on their own situation don't deserve better because they aren't trying themselves.
Doesn't mean that they can't or shouldn't have it better or that people can't or shouldn't help others. All of that nonsense was made up by random people on this thread.
749  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 10:47:47 AM
I am not dismissive of others' views whatsoever. In this case people were constantly misrepresenting my words either through stupidity, laziness, or by deliberation.

Not dismissive:

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You are either intellectually dishonest (didn't properly read and understand what has been said and filled the gaps with your own story, then refuse to accept the fact that you have done so), too mentally impaired to understand what I've said, or plain evil and a manipulator.

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You idiots are making up points of your own and pretending that they were mine.

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There will be no repercussions for me, because I understand very well that the overwhelming majority is evil, delusional, ego-tripping, or just plain retarded.

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If you however, act in real life as you do on here, you'll be the one eating shit when it proverbially hits the fan.

I'm telling them to shut the fuck up and seek out incremental improvements in their own life-style.

Ok, even if I allow you are not making a political argument, as you assert - how is your argument well-made?

You seem to argue that if someone is suffering from ANY injustice they should have no recourse; they should just ‘shut the fuck up’?

If in their state (for example) their politicians are corrupt, they are stolen from or repressed and they have no recourse to the rule of law as the police are corrupt too - then they should never complain, but just ‘seek incremental improvements’ rather than bother anyone who else who might perhaps be happily in an arguably more free and more privileged position, such as the one in which you and I are?

I am not seeking to attack you, but the flaws in your arguments and the way you seek to win them.  You have seemed reasonable and I thought posted well until this point.  Now you are coming across in a way that seems ill-considered, angry, elitist, dismissive and self-righteous.

Shouting louder does not make you right. Also, dismissing all ‘complaints’ wholesale without exception is by definition blind prejudice, which is unreasonable.

Someone wanting to advocate for others in a way you do not agree with is not automatically 'retarded' or 'evil, nor do they have to ‘eat shit’ or be an object of your overbearing disdain.  This is plainly over the top.

We are all at least loosely aligned here in the respect we are fans of Bitcoin (with one out two exceptions I can think of).  I know my own views are not wholly shared, but I rarely challenge the opinions of others I disagree with unless they step over the line into angry vitriol to make a point which may well be a valid opinion, but is not a fact.

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But by that line of reasoning you're all Hitler and Jews.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

'…there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.'

Now, if you will excuse me, I am off to take your advice and seek out incremental improvements to my lifestyle, which is something I would happily advocate to others - just not in the way you do.

Have a nice day.
My argument would appear more well made if you didn't cherry pick from a single post at the end of a lengthy exchange, not that I expect you to dig through the thread to get the whole picture if you didn't catch the original exchange a few days ago.

I never compared anyone directly to Hitler by the way (which should be obvious even without former context given that nobody calls people Hitler and a Jew in the scenarios you draw from), so I'll kindly excuse myself from responding to your post in detail, as it shows a clear lack of understanding of the matter at hand.
750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 09:37:17 AM
Bitcoin Buys Takeout on Germany’s Largest Food Delivery Platform With Over 13,000 Restaurants and Lots of Pizza

https://dailyhodl.com/2019/01/27/bitcoin-buys-takeout-on-germanys-largest-food-delivery-platform-with-over-13000-restaurants-and-lots-of-pizza/

"Germany’s largest online food delivery platform has swelled to over 13,000 restaurants and accepts Bitcoin for payment. The Berlin-based Lieferando.de operates across the country to deliver all types of culinary dream dishes, from fancy to fast food.

Online customers can pay with Bitcoin, credit cards, Sofort or PayPal. When paying with Bitcoin, the company says it does not charge any fees, while it costs an additional 6%, to pay with PayPal and credit cards.

Lieferando is owned by Takeaway.com, one of the largest online food ordering websites in the world, which first started accepting Bitcoin in July 2017.

The company says the payment option has been well received by its customers. Takeaway also powers Bitcoin payments for deliveries in the Netherlands, Austria and Poland."
I never noticed that Takeaway took an extra 6% for Paypal/CC. Been using them for a while with and without BTC though.
751  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 09:35:59 AM

".... It's amazing that 'lefties' always do the same thing. Lots of words that say very little, and in as confusing and distracting a way as possible...."

It is amazing to categorize a belief according to an arbitrary line drawn in the sand against a political viewpoint as if the 'righties' are not just as evil in their arguments or practices.

The whole 2 party democratic system is full of shit actors with shit beliefs, all are liars---performers to maintain their political positions.

For the record, the US has the largest number of slave labor in the form of prisoners @ 665 per 100,0000 persons.
As a kid I just didn't care for politics because I didn't know shit anyways so had no way of forming a sensible opinion. Now the more I learn about it the more it reveals itself as a farce. Little more than tribalism in a new form. Or opium for the masses v2.

It's entertaining, but whoever thinks that real change is made in politics hasn't been paying much attention.
752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 02:06:23 AM
You could be correct that there is becoming less and less justification for some forms of traditional investments.  Most of my current exposure to the stock market comes through a 401k fund that had a matching component, so I invested into that kind of investment based on what was available to me at the time and the about 20 years of pumping money into that. 

In other words, I will concede that investment considerations today are going to be different for folks just coming into investments and if they do not have a 401k matching possibility, then they are not going to give a shit about that option because it is not available to them anyhow.

Maybe that remains part of the reason that there are so many current youth who believe it to be prudent to diversify into alt coins (aka shit coins)?  Perhaps?

This was true for pre-Bitcoin investments as well. For small amounts it might be more sensible to make high risk investments (and then re-balance a sensible portfolio) than to wait for pennies to accumulate in stocks.


Of course, with substantial wealth, it would be foolish to not diversify properly (without some insider knowledge).
753  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 01:27:01 AM
Way too early to go all in.

Is there ever a time to go "all in"?

I understand that you are not talking about 100% of a guy(gal)'s total investment portfolio, but likely instead you are referring to NOT going "all in" with what portion of value the guy/gal has allocated towards bitcoin investing.

Personally, I never recommend going "all in" but instead always being prepared for either price direction (both in other words).

Let's say, for example, a guy/gal had a Majormax kind of vision, and sold a vast majority of his/her BTC holdings at various stages between $10k and $19k.  This Majormax foresight person has relatively strong conviction about BTC price direction going down, so s/he sold about 80% of his/her BTC holdings between $10k and $19k (held onto about 20% just in case.. perhaps a bit of practicality holding onto 20%?).  

Personally, I recall that you said that you did not sell a large amount of your position, but regarding hypothetical person, has such person bought some of that sold back, yet?  1/3 of it?  Half of it?  2/3rds of it?  

Given my presented hypothetical, what's your BTC buy back allocation recommendation for hypothetical person, now, Majormax?  

Certainly, I am too much of a chicken to sell major amounts of my BTC, so I would have long ago bought back more than 2/3 of the proceeds that I had sold (which I actually did in real life), and in this regard, I have continued to remain much more nervous (or scared) about missing out on upwards BTC price moves rather than missing out on downward buying opportunities.  

What about you? What about Majormax vision hypothetical person?  What are you recommending here on a practical level for the Majormax hypothetical guy/gal that sold 80% of his BTC investment value between $10k and $19k, and is currently considering the extent to which to use those funds from the BTC sales to buy back BTC, currently?
Nothing wrong with going "all in", even with your entire portfolio in some cases.

A student, or generally young person, can be well advised to go all in on asymmetrical bets such as Bitcoin. In most cases they don't have much to lose anyways, yet all the time in the world to recoup losses.

Also, for smaller investments the traditional ~5-8% p.a. returns in the stock market wouldn't even amount to a Kitkat.
754  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 28, 2019, 12:09:50 AM
I'm telling them to shut the fuck up and seek out incremental improvements in their own life-style.


No

You are telling those less fortunate than yourself that you are tired of hearing about their problems, that they should be silent and submissive in the face of oppression.  Do so at your peril.

Personally, I have found that nothing quite gets the attention of those in power like the smell of burning Mercedes upholstery.  

So beware of advising people to take concrete actions to improve their conditions rather than attempting it through dialog.

It has perhaps been too long since certain folks were reminded that the guillotine remains an option.
Illiteracy is far too rampant for 2019.

"Spending time on complaining that could have been spent on finding incremental solutions is retarded/unproductive."

Last paraphrasing I'll do on this. Good luck with your blindfold if you still (apparently choose to not) get it though.


Spoilers: Advocating is not complaining. And slaves can't advocate for themselves if they're captive, so even attempting to make that argument proves that you didn't understand mine in the first place and were simply looking to make unpolitical life advice political. @HM

I don't think Jojo is at all illiterate, nor do I see your 'life advice' as unpolitical.  How can being so dismissive of other views by calling them illiterate, or dismissing advocacy on behalf of those experiencing modern slavery, as Hairy I recall was (which it is reasonable to say with some certainty does exist) come from anything but a dogmatic, if not patently political stance?
I am not dismissive of others' views whatsoever. In this case people were constantly misrepresenting my words either through stupidity, laziness, or by deliberation.

You can try to show me at what point my quote becomes political, however, you will fail to do so without adding extra information that wasn't present in my words. Politics have nothing to do with this statement whatsoever, yet some people here are so caught up in political bullshit that they try to make everything so, and then argue from that position.

I treat people with the respect they deserve, and when they make my unpolitical statements political or make up arguments on my behalf and then try to write me off as evil I will react accordingly. Not because I care about their opinion, but because people who are too emotional or even stupid to realize their hypocrisy by themselves need to be shut down with their own weapons. Otherwise they clearly don't get it (as proven by the lengthy and multiple posts that I've made elaborating on their fallacies).

I don't even particularly care if the perpetrators in this case understand what the fuck they're doing. But some of the, possibly lurking, readers might find something they've missed previously. Such as dumb fucks making up arguments deliberately or for any other reasons on behalf of others and then either genuinely believing that they're doing something good, or acting as if they were. This is without a doubt the worst human quality plaguing society. Because real evil is often obvious when you see it, and is much easier to fight against than idiots who act nice and in reality just fuck everyone, including themselves, over.

Some of the issues described here (manipulation, omission, laziness, dishonesty) are used in Politics to manipulate, but they're fundamentally human errors and not political issues. If you see Politics in this that's on you, not on the content of my post.


At the end of the day people, made an unpolitical post political by making up random horseshit scenarios that didn't even fit my statement in any shape or form beyond sharing a word or two. But by that line of reasoning you're all Hitler and Jews.
Not sure why it takes a roman to point out what should be obvious: Don't twist people's words if you're going to bother engaging in a conversation (of course unless you have some weird ulterior motives, then good luck with that).


tl;dr

I believe that BTCMILLIONAIRE's characterization of illiteracy has to do with the fact that all the counterpoints to what BTCMILLIONAIRE has been writing have nothing whatsoever to do with what BTCMILLIONAIRE has actually been writing. The fact that the responses are so far afield from BTCMILLIONAIRE's written points displays an inability of the counterpointers' to actually comprehend what BTCMILLIONAIRE has written.
+1 WO
755  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 11:36:36 PM
You guys should be allowed to shoot your immigrants, its just not right.

They'd think twice then.

Yeah, they got alot of nerve being born on the other side of a line we drew in the sand and to want to get away from the shithole they found themselfs in.

Lawful shoot to kill on all sightings is in order! Smiley

Did not think of you both as idiots until now.... Shame.


So the arguments are now: Take a human life for passing an arbitrary line OR import a tiny fraction of another population and hope the problems in both countries gets magically better.

WTF is happening in this thread? Did Roach finally get to you guys? Have feelings taken priority over logic? Just wow. Shame on WO for being this dumb.
I strongly believe global education systems are one of the root causes of this pandemic.

People get drilled into thinking in terms of "right vs wrong" and "the correct way to pass a test" from a very young age. And then they argue that way in real life (e.g. parrot talking points they perceive as correct) instead of listening and looking for real solutions.
756  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 10:37:51 PM


these don't go on the blockchain, right? some messaging system peculiar to the satellite thing?
Isn't it actually possible to send messages on-chain? And didn't Satoshi do just that? Or how do signatures work?


Would that be a potential attack vector? One Billion people sending just 1 kB of text would already be 1 TB worth of data. Do transaction fees just nullify that threat (if it exists in the first place)?
757  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 10:26:03 PM

Is this anti-wall or pro-WallStreet (#2)?

Are you equating immigrants to corrupt bankers and legacy finance and implying that much more drastic measures (such as war) are required to keep them at bay? You sick fucking Bitcoin maximalists seriously want to kill all immigrants just to make sure legacy finance won't succeed?




(Wouldn't normally do this, but since some people here like to make everything retarded and political, here's a mirror for that specific subset of people that like to twist everything beyond recognition.)
758  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 10:00:35 PM
Clean up all your exif data?

First thing imgur does upon upload, IIRC, is blow away any provided exif data.
Is that a fact? Never uploaded anything on here because I was too lazy to bother with exif.
759  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 09:44:11 PM
I'm telling them to shut the fuck up and seek out incremental improvements in their own life-style.


No

You are telling those less fortunate than yourself that you are tired of hearing about their problems, that they should be silent and submissive in the face of oppression.  Do so at your peril.

Personally, I have found that nothing quite gets the attention of those in power like the smell of burning Mercedes upholstery.  

So beware of advising people to take concrete actions to improve their conditions rather than attempting it through dialog.

It has perhaps been too long since certain folks were reminded that the guillotine remains an option.
Illiteracy is far too rampant for 2019.

"Spending time on complaining that could have been spent on finding incremental solutions is retarded/unproductive."

Last paraphrasing I'll do on this. Good luck with your blindfold if you still (apparently choose to not) get it though.


Spoilers: Advocating is not complaining. And slaves can't advocate for themselves if they're captive, so even attempting to make that argument proves that you didn't understand mine in the first place and were simply looking to make unpolitical life advice political. @HM
760  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: January 27, 2019, 09:42:05 PM
If said slave chooses to spend time that he could've used e.g. on devising an escape plan on complaining.

That's a joke right?  

We are talking about young girls who are chained to beds to work as prostitutes.  We are talking about kids on fishing trawlers in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.  We are talking about people who have been in North Korean concentration camps for two generations, whose entire family will be executed if they escape.  

Your opinion is they should not complain about their circumstances, and we as wealthy Westerners should not try to help them?  
You keep pulling shit out of your ass and trying to shove it down my throat.

You act as if I had stated that considering helping them or actively (trying to) do so shouldn't be allowed, which is false. None of that crap has anything to do with the argument though.


Name me one example in which you will see strictly better results by complaining than by thinking up different potential solutions. You can't. Because complaining is a destructive force with a net effect that is either zero or negative.
Nobody is stopping you from helping others, and props to you if you're not just a hypocrite running your mouth and actually doing what you preach to others (which I doubt). But none of that has anything to do with the fact that energy invested in complaining is wasted energy.

Best case you will make people aware of a given problem, but if that was your goal there are vastly more efficient ways that won't cause other gullible people to just complain as well.


Simply denying they have a right to complain about their situation is detrimental to their cause. Deriding them is paramount to helping oppress them.

I may not agree with what you have to say but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.

But you should be aware of what repercussions your words may reap, if you are aware and still don't care then I will fail to listen although still acknowledge your right to speech. Even hate speech should be free although abhorrent, the problem is you can;t draw the line clearly, one mans hate is another mans reality.
My words would never reap repercussions if you weren't 100% illiterate.
I've stated a fact, if you use your own time on complaining about your situation instead of trying to improve it you will be in a worse situation than you would be otherwise. That's a simple and immutable fact. No arguing about it.

There are only repercussions if people like you or HM come along and make up different arguments on my behalf, which I have never made, and then try to portrait me as their own mental delusion.

You are either intellectually dishonest (didn't properly read and understand what has been said and filled the gaps with your own story, then refuse to accept the fact that you have done so), too mentally impaired to understand what I've said, or plain evil and a manipulator.

The argument that I've made has nothing to do with anything that you or HM made up when arguing back. You idiots are making up points of your own and pretending that they were mine.

Also, the only repercussions will be that you will be in a worse place in the future, as well as everybody who you claim to be trying to help. Your attitude is the precise and sole root of all problems in this world, regardless of which of the three reasons is responsible for your acts of twisting truth. You don't care about listening, you only care about making up arguments on other people's behalf and then pretending that you're the "good guy" by arguing against your own fairy tales. There will be no repercussions for me, because I understand very well that the overwhelming majority is evil, delusional, ego-tripping, or just plain retarded. If you however, act in real life as you do on here, you'll be the one eating shit when it proverbially hits the fan. Good luck with that.
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