[Are you so smart that you are mentally retarded
"LONG CON"  Mensa boy .....
So it gets through your UBER brainpower.....This means "NOT" taking the money and running !!!
To reference something simple so you understand MADOFF kept it going for 20+ years
~15%+ delivery and having millions of dollars held hostage ...and wait UPGRADE now for more $$  (and a with a fee) and you can join the new queue of more rich's !!!
Oh wait sorry you missed the express NEW queue but have ended in just the new queue (Plus 2 more months on delivery)
This also has shades of a 419 Nigerian money scam....
Happy REALLY
1) telling all HOW SMART you are
2) Defending the indefensible
3) Basically picking an argument with a large majority of the community who all now think you are a total dick
4) Keep adding all of this extra information about your life as If we are your friends or give a fuck
You sound Sooooo happy !!!
Has retirement left you with no meaning or definition for your life....??
Go play golf I have heard that others find solace in finding some form of mild sporting activity to help fill the void !  

If your intention was to troll then I suppose you were pretty successful, nice job I guess.

With your high ASVAB I assumed they'd have likely assigned you to higher clearance aircraft, there was a guy in basic that was going to do mechanical work on one of the stealth planes and he had a high ASVAB score though maybe there is no correlation.  While some 1N2s do fly with the aircraft most copy mission on the ground far away.

Ordering an item that is not yet in stock or ready to send to you.

Oh my, the things people come up with...

They will end up in dumps like old computer hardware today, what did ya think?

ASIC are a pro tool and not some home entertainment center.

The problem with your prediction is it ignores the causes of their past delays, eg having to last minute re-design the entire product line due to missed power targets, and assumes they haven't learnt from that. You might be right to some extent, but they don't have a track record of missing targets by 2 years yet. I certainly wouldn't fork out $4,680 without seeing a working prototype, same goes for KNCminer, Hashfast etc.

I think everyone knows how it's going. If you ordered the wrong product line you can kiss your money good bye. Looks like there still not shipping the Singles with power supplies either.

I get the feeling that you have lost so much money in so many scams that you think it is just par for the course. Getting ripped off and lied to may be your lot in life, but it doesn't have to be that way for other people.  You should take up sports gambling so you stop feeding the scammers.

I've been wondering this for a while.... Tens of millions of dollars in equipment will lose money if run in roughly a year (assuming price doesn't skyrocket).

So what happens with it? Will organizations, perhaps the Bitcoin Foundation, buy these units and keep the hashpower on the network for added security, running them at a slight loss, perhaps? Will they be repurposed somehow? Will they simply be thrown away? Will the current owners just keep mining?

While on the topic -- is running obsolete equipment a disservice (long-term) to Bitcoin by making newer, more effective ASICs less attractive? People talk about running their GPUs, FPGAs, and ASICs (in the future) for the sake of the network, but isn't that actually just making it less likely for people to buy or design/develop/manufacture new ASICs since the profit projection would be lower?

Agreed ...I really dont understand why the supposed "SMART" pple are the ones defending this long con

bcp Explain to me like I am a 5 yr old why BFL is "GOOD" & not "BAD"

I get the feeling 99% of the complainers don't want a refund cause they could get one pretty easily, especially if they paid with PayPal.

That said, I can't blame the guys waiting for a year now for complaining, albeit, complaining won't get you anywhere and excess complaining will only slow down the progress at BFL.  One should think twice before blasting at management unless you've got nothing on the line and you just wanna vent.  We still have freedom of speech for a while longer.

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100 million orders is way out of the ballpark. There are only like 50,000 entities that mine bitcoin. That would be about 2000 orders per mining entity. They just changed their order number scheme part way though. If you look at the reported order list you can see where it changed. Looks like there is overlap on either side of the date too... so they did a bad job of the cut over. Maybe multiple systems handling orders and they got updated at different times.

The main reason we think you are Josh is that you obviously both suffer from the same condition.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism


You have gall to start your CV with a statement about what you think your IQ might be based on your recollection of something that happened, presumably, 20+ years ago.  I don't even think public schools are capable of determining IQ's over about 130 with any degree of accuracy.  I won't press the mommy issues you described earlier in this thread though it would not surprise me if careful analysis of Josh's posts revealed the same.  You act like a child, just like Josh.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck it is probably a narcissistic douche-bag named Josh.

This guy is just some teenager trying to win a free unit from Joshua. His arguments are flawed and logic is definitely not MIT material, more like highschool. If you have to post your fictitious credentials to attempt to validate your argument, your argument is pretty week to begin with.

And a Public Service Announcement!
If you have ordered from BFL and have not yet received your product, you are entitled to a refund whenever you request one (per FTC rules).
First ask Butterfly Labs for one, they will probably say no but you might get lucky.
If you ordered via PayPal you can file a complaint with them even if you are outside the 45 day window. One customer has already gotten a refund from PayPal that was outside the 45 days.
If you ordered via BTC or Bank wire, you can fill out a complaint with the FTC and they will advocate for you with BFL to get your refund. You can also contact the office of the Kansas Attorney General and inform them that you have had your money taken with no product delivered for months, just more promises.

There are also several threads on how to get a refund from BFL, here are two:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=266945.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0

Sorry but any time you bullet point your life achievements to strangers on an internet forums in order to give yourself some kind of credibility you've already lost.

The reasons not to do this are 2-fold:
1. Anyone can claim anything
2. Internet strangers don't care

Let your arguments stand on their own merit.  Either you've lied about your background to bolster your credibility (very sad) or you were completely accurate in which case nobody gives a fuck and you look dumb trying to impress people with something not related to the discussion at all.  What does your IQ or military experience have to do with a BFL lawsuit?

A high IQ doesn't do anything to make your ideas or positions appear any less like a sock puppet (not that I think you are one).

Fun Fact: I was a 1N2 in the military and sat the same racks copying the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident intelligence failure a couple years before me.  I suppose it's even possible I copied mission on some of your flights.

I call it basic math, you call it nitpicking. Sorry, 2+2 != 5 is not nitpicking, even though you were just off by one.  

It is fairly simple to screen out duplicate order numbers and even more simple to sort them and screen out obviously false order numbers. Even these simple steps were not taken.

No. It is order number 100070471. It might be the 70,471st order taken, but you have no evidence to support that claim.

Supposition on your part how people are representing their order numbers. Furthermore, there are roughly 150 orders in a row that have the 1000 prefix, but are below 100016000. There are 250 orders that do not have the prefix but do have orders above 16000. These are grouped by date and do not overlap. That seems to blow your guesswork out of the water. I think you must have read somewhere on the internet about this, instead of looking at the data for yourself.

Those two statements have nothing to do with each other. You care about how many devices are Jalapenos, not how many orders have Jalapenos in them. After all, there could be 1 order for 3900 Jalapenos and the average might still hold.

Nope. Each Jalapeno order was NOT for just one unit. Quite the opposite actually. So you cannot extrapolate number of orders to number of Jalapenos because you do not understand the distribution of Jalapenos across orders. Worse, you then added a huge number of "dark mini-rig" orders to make your 7PH/s claim add up.

You simplified with bad assumptions and came up with an obviously incorrect number. Worse, you have been trying to defend it here and only made yourself look worse. If you thought BFL was going to ship 7PH/s and had already shipped 500TH/s, that might explain your undying support of them. Perhaps you can serve as an example to people out there that if they fail at math, they are liable to get fleeced by BFL. I doubt you have the math skills to ever understand your mistake.

1) A Good debate does not allow name calling like being childish and calling someone a troll
2) Prove there are 200 data points or shut your face  - Good Debates use the data available
3) It does not matter how much BFL has shipped, it matters how fast. If Apple gets orders for 7 million Ipads and only delivers 800,000 in a year that matters, especially to the 6,200,000 that didn't get theirs.
4) You sir couldn't debate your way out of a wet paper bag. You lack contrary data, you like to call names, and act like a child.
5) We laugh at you, back under the bridge with you.

Nope. 2 out of 3 devices ordered might be a Jalapeno. But 2 out of 3 orders do not consist of orders of Jalapenos. You are mixing devices in absolute numbers with orders of devices (which can consist of multiple devices in multiple families). Also, order number 12000 does not equate to 12,000 orders. If that were true, then it would mean because there is an order number 100070471 in that data set that there are 100,070,471 orders from BFL. I think we can safely rule that out.

Actually, that is not how statistics works. Before you use a data set you need to assess it's quality. Determine how many entries are duplicates like these:
4843   2013/07/04   100070420   No   0   1   0   0      Algorn
4844   2013/07/04   100070420   No   0   1   0   0      Algorn
4845   2013/07/04   100070420   No   0   1   0   0      Algorn
Determine how many are obviously false like this one:
4860   2013/07/10   234234   No   1   2   3   4      asdf

Worse, you have based your entire assessment on 1 order number = 1 order. A cursory examination of the data will reveal this to be totally false (as would an understanding of databases and online order systems).

It is true, I cannot understand how someone who claims to attended MIT have such a bad aptitude at math and statistics.