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461  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Butterfly Labs 30 day countdown to the end of September on: September 05, 2013, 11:34:42 AM
Wednesday, September 4, 2013 Shipping Update
by BFL_Jody  , 09-04-2013 at 11:06 PM
Jalapenos 4.5 and 5 gh/s: Feb 12-14, 2013 no Jallys shipped today

Little Singles 30 and 25 gh/s: Nov. 6, 2012 one day of orders

Singles 60 and 50 gh/s: July 31, 2012 pay date four days of orders

MiniRigs: All June orders (2nd 500gh/s unit), all July orders 1st 500 gh/s   none shipped
August 1st for 1st 500 g/s units


25 days to go
You should edit the minirigs to "none APPEARED to have shipped" Since you have no proof for your statement.
462  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] Working on a GPU miner for Primecoin, new thread :) on: September 05, 2013, 11:28:56 AM
It seems like memory corruption, the most annoying kind of bug. Might take some time to fix, I haven't been able to reproduce it on my computer.
This is a serious problem that may not have a fix.  I have a GPU that I still have running on SHA256 because it starts throwing massive errors if I try to use the same intensity on scrypt coins.  300MH vs 174KH running 16 vs 11 intensity.  Many of these GPUs have been running on hyperdrive for months on end, but until now they have not had to deal with the intensive memory load that your miner is throwing at them.  I'd bet your program hits GPU the same way P95 hits CPU... it stresses them to the point of failure not seen in normal/somewhat heavy operation.  With all the underclocking/overclocking/undervolting/overvolting I'd bet there are a lot of cards that appear to work fine yet are hiding a major problem. 

Memtest is a fairly intensive memory testing program, but it's not as intensive as P95.  I've seen many posts about people saying the P95 program was faulty cause it crashed their computer yet memtest said no problems.  Not once have those claims been proven out though, it's always ended up that P95 stressed something harder than memtest and found a problem that needed fixing.

I vaguely remember someone on the Mersenne forums having written a crude GPU program to simulate what memtest does... maybe you need to have people start looking into that.

Until then, I'd suggest you start having people answer a few basic questions to start the troubleshooting...

1) How old is your GPU?
2) Have you ever OC'd or declocked it?
3) What intensity settings have you run it at on other coins and for how long?
4) Have you ever over/under volted it?

I'd be willing to bet the answers to these 4 questions will start a pattern for those who have it working and those that don't.
463  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL MiniRig Line:Concerned on: September 05, 2013, 01:27:30 AM
I must add two small notes:

1) The true number of employees involved in the process are at least several thousand. You must include all the employees that are involved in FedEx for example (or any other carrier we use to ship different components around), to employees in all the companies in the supply chain, PCB and assembly divisions, Wafer Foundry, etc ... The list goes on and on.

2) The sensitivity in our situation comes from the fact that initial delays were incurred. Long story short, at best we could have added 2 months error margin to the initial timeline given to us (which we did). In order to know what the exact delay is going to be (in any project), you need to know the future. We would've purchased a crystal-ball to let us know in advance.. but the company that makes crystal-balls just went out of business...

Regards,
Nasser

I am sorry to have to correct you, but at best you could have added a 10 month error margin. Then you would be shipping on time, instead of very very late.
Other companies manage to use FedEx without being 10 months late. They also manage to make PCBs without being 10 months late. Indeed the list goes on and on.

Even at this late juncture, you are still pushing your own failures off onto other companies. If you can't manage to ship things via FedEx, you probably shouldn't be selling things over the internet.
You really need to learn how to read... he's saying they added 2 months onto the estimate GIVEN them, yet that was still not enough when compared to the ACTUAL delays incurred.  Roll Eyes
464  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 05, 2013, 01:02:13 AM
...
as your heart also runs at about 60Hz.

You... might want to think about that for a couple seconds.

Or see a doctor.

Hummingbird with a meth problem?

LOL!

So much for brevity. The human body "syncs" with a 60hz signal really easily, and at household voltage that can cause your heart to stop or to beat wrong. At 50 hz this effect is much less likely.
You are half right.  The reality is both 50HZ and 60HZ are very hazardous to the human body.  The problem is that both are harmonics of the human heatbeat range (which is roughly 1-3Hz, not 60).  You'd need a much higher frequency to lessen the risk, ie: aircraft generators.  Most aircraft generators run at 400Hz which is too high a frequency to affect the heart.
465  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [XPM]unofficial jhPrimeminer thread on: September 04, 2013, 09:40:02 PM
still waiting for any solo client...
hp10?
NO, I mean real miner, like the ypool miner. All hp are crap. I waiting for jhPrimeminer for solo. It was promised from long time, and when the pool is down is best time to do it.
That -hp crap, as you call it, mined over 110 XPM for me in the last 14 days.

This was the same guy moaning that Sunny King stole his blocks (he had orphans and whined like a kiddie and cluttered the xpm thread with non sense, that would be solved by doing some basic reading).
I know well who he is, he had bad luck and wasn't smart enough to understand that's all it was.  I had several orphaned blocks during the time he was whining, but since *I* didn't have 9 in a row, he got pissy and cried scamcoin.  I noticed he's still mining though.   Hypocrits are SO fun to deal with Wink
466  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Do we want to continue to allow various vendor hate in here? on: September 04, 2013, 08:09:36 PM
Zerlan's rants, demeaning his customers, shows that kind of contempt.
Yifu's statements lately have had the same underpinnings.
Or maybe we just get tired of whiny, entitled little brats screaming and crying for attention.  I wonder which is more plausible.

 Yeah, going to have to say that we should allow to continue with various vendor hate around here until the vendors themselves start behaving in such a way that does not produce feelings of hate due to their own conduct.

 Chicken, egg, so on and so forth...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnFr-DOPf8
467  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Incoming Avalon News 8/9/2013 on: September 04, 2013, 08:07:31 PM
I just called DHL and they said they have one 30lbs package sent today by DHL for me from a Hong Kong company called SEEDS STUDIOS.
Can anyone confirm the weight of the 10,000pcs chips and what the Shipper name was?
30 pounds of PLANT PORN!!!!!
468  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Hashrate drops immediately preceding diff rises? on: September 04, 2013, 07:15:38 PM
Now that you mention it. My miners went off line this morning during the change. I'll have to remember to note it if it happens again.  Since who knows if that is a trend or not. But I think I recall they went off line during the last change also.

Also who knows if there has been any ddoss on any mining pools before this change happens that could be a reason also.

Or even some company just happens to be testing there devices for a few days to burn them in before shipping.

It's an intresting thought.


I would bet the burn-in to be the most likely cause.  We'll be seeing it back on the network in a few days to a week.
469  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining with asics is already dead. on: September 04, 2013, 07:13:20 PM
Until then, my offer of GUARANTEED PROFITS stands.
Send me 49 BTC, I will send you 44 BTC when the exchange rate hits $350!!

Initial Value: $6,370
Ending Value: $15,400!!!
Guaranteed Profit: $9030!!

What's the time limit on this guaranteed profit?  If the rate isn't up to $350 in a year, you going to payout $15,400 worth of BTC since you have offered a guaranteed $9030 profit?  If you want people to take a risk, you have to have risk yourself.
470  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BFL board project COINTAMINATION - EU+USA facility - need samples for one board on: September 04, 2013, 06:53:52 PM
I will call him tomorrow since he lost about 600 to 1000 MH just by taking them away from me... He must be doing something wrong... And it looks to be incompatibility with BFGminer. I just did some test. I get less with it too... Pool detects 300MH less on my Jala... I put it on difficulty 1 so I get more stable results... But will run it for longer...

And BTW 8.4 is normal for A grade chips without overclock. And 8,6 isn't that special too. But 8,7 that we did saw on one jala is... It had really good chips...

I know why I lost that GH/s, I was looking to charts in my pool and it seems that the stratum server had some issues and still having them, it was disconnecting and trying to reconnect when I logged to watch, I have to change that pool now.

 I tried BTCguild and it was working steady at 25.6 GH/s, but fees are 7.5% I will look somewhere else.



BTCGuild's high fees are for the PPS since you get paid for valid and invalid shares.  If you use the PPLNS the fees are ~1.2%
471  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: who is this unknown "20% of the network?? on: September 04, 2013, 11:29:40 AM
That are our chips of course!

Owners of ghash.io (guys who created this pool for us) said that they sent support ticket to block chain, but ghash.io is not added.

I think it's pretty dumb not to have pool that will be N1 (now we're N2) pool soon to charts. It is right now 100 TH/s - and only some of earlier customers got their devices. Soon when we'll send out all of the devices, if people wish it may add up another 170 TH/s. Khm... it's pretty dumb to ignore this moment, as charts becomes not informing.

http://blockchain.info/ru/address/1CjPR7Z5ZSyWk6WtXvSFgkptmpoi4UM9BC

It is even easier to track these blocks by wallet, than with IP address. They're not hiding master wallet.

So if this can be pushed forward - it would be nice.

If you look at Deepbit's numbers, you will see Bitfury is added to theirs.  How else would a pool rated at 1.5TH be shown as 20% of the network?
472  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Hashrate drops immediately preceding diff rises? on: September 04, 2013, 11:26:07 AM
I've noticed that lately network hashrate drops briefly by ~10% (or more) just before a difficulty retarget. The most recent example of this was (yesterday) was about 100 TH/s.

Does this suggest that some of the large players are deliberately taking their estate offline in order to try and keep difficulty lower than it would otherwise be?

This would strategy would require that difficulty is calculated by the spot network hashrate at the changeover time - is that the case or is it based on a recent average?

Kate.
Most likely a lot of equipment was brought online to test and then taken offline to ship.  Turning off hardware at this point in time would have such a minimal effect that it's make more sense to mine all the coins you could up to the last second.  This difficulty spike means earnings from 100TH dropped roughly 27% as compared to the previous difficulty.  That means it might have dropped 27.1 or 27.2% had it stayed online.  More profits lost in that day than saved by 'lower difficulty'.
473  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How long will it take to reach 1 billion difficulty? on: September 04, 2013, 11:10:13 AM
Let me show you a pretty nice calculator where you can try for yourself:

http://btcinvest.net/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php

The really slick thing in comparison to other calcs is that you can set the initial difficulty increase for the first jump and how much the percentual growth of difficulty will lower each jump. (Since it is likely to go down as difficulty reaches bigger numbers.

Lets say the difficulty jumps by 30% this time and the percentual growth goes back by 3% for each jump. (Meaning from the first to second jump it would increase by 27%.):
http://btcinvest.net/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=65750060.149085&dcosts=500&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=860&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=132.51&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=0&action=calc

It would reach 1 billion by the sixth of february 2014 then.

Generally I would say that the difficulty is skyrocketing at the moment and its very hard to tell whats gonna happen to it, but I go with 1 Billion by 2014/02/06  Smiley



Nice calculator, a lot better put together than the x% jump forever the crowd now uses.  I think it need a little tweek though, I think the next 3-5 increases with be larger than the last and then start tapering off fairly quickly.  if possible add a % increase and # month increase to the calc.
The flip side is that people now have to pull 2 or more numbers out of their asses to plug into the calculator in order to make a prediction. The model may conceptually be more accurate but requires a higher level of sophistication to operate correctly.
I'd rather have to pull a couple of numbers out of thin air than see a program tell me that there will be $150billion worth of mining equipment on the network in a years time.  Anyone who reads these forums can see we've got a lot of pre-ordered ASICs primed to unload onto the network between now and Dec 1.  Over the last few increases we've seen 19%, then 36% then 29% then 32%.   Even if nobody shipped for the next 2 weeks, we're looking at a 40-45% jump in the next difficulty.  Maybe we'll get lucky and the pansies that demand refunds cause their potential RoI has just moved into the basement will stem the flood of products.
474  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining with asics is already dead. on: September 04, 2013, 02:56:31 AM
Maybe it's just a mind trick but if you spend 50 btc at 100$ rate and you get only 43 at 200 i say you end up better

Ok, send me 50 btc (at $130 now), and when it his $260, I'll send you 43 btc.

Initial Value: $6500.
Ending Value: $11,180
Guaranteed Profit: $4680.

As many people as want can take advantage of this guaranteed ROI. Just send your 50 btc to 1vgzHWzzcsYejaqtP7RHGzsE549ySKQa2.

Oh yeah? Well if you send me 49 BTC, I will send you 44 BTC when the exchange rate hits $350!!

Initial Value: $6,370
Ending Value: $15,400!!!
Guaranteed Profit: $9030!!  Almost twice the profit!!

PM me if you are interested in the deal of the century.
How about I send you 44 and you send me 49 when the rate hits $70?
475  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [XPM] Working on a GPU miner for Primecoin, new thread :) on: September 04, 2013, 01:46:41 AM
It's already released, it's safe and you can compile it yourself. Go grab it: http://cryptobro.com/reaperprime.zip

Edit:
Don't forget to say "Thanks" to all the good people who donated, without their sacrifice the rest of us would not have this.

No one has anything now!  This miner is garbage. He didn't develop anything worthy.

Calm down man, I was just ironic pissing off those greedy fools who hoped to gain advantage over somebody by donating. Hats off to honest donators who did it not only for themselves but for the community. Asking for donations back is so ridiculous beyond words to describe.

I'm sorry, but you must be a complete fool.  Why would I donate money to develop something without reaping a financial gain???  It's not like he's saving babies or feeding the homeless.

Mtrlt obviously made a large financial gain off of this scam.  Why is it so terrible that everyone that gave him money expected a financial gain?

I donated because I expected him to make an effort to deliver a decent product.  It's obvious that he didn't even try.
Let's see... I donate to Red Cross... no financial gain.  I donate to MDA... no financial gain.  I donate to the MS society... no financial gain.

Donations are made for many reasons, to finance research and development it the main reason.  How efficient was the first GPU miner made for BTC?  I remember reading someone offered 10,000BTC to open source it.

Get off your high horse already, the hard part has been done, let the optimization work begin.
476  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Time to sue ButterflyLabs - Big Single-SC owner let's league for class action on: September 04, 2013, 01:34:08 AM
The BFL ads in this forum nauseate me. I wish I could press an ignore function just not to see them.

Successful ASIC companies don't need to advertise. Good word of mouth (or type) suffice

Not to dis any of the advertisers, but somehow I've been able to not have them register in my mind as I scroll. It's akin to going to a website solely to read the content, ignoring all the ads and popups in place without any effort in doing so. Also, rarely does anybody's advertising in their sigs draws my attention.

Its wierd ... I never see them either .... lolz

Whats that about ... i enjoy a good oppurtunity to rant about something and I am missing all of these ...Sad


They only show up between the 1st and 2nd post on each page.  That means on average you should only see them every 20 posts.
477  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Mining with asics is already dead. on: September 03, 2013, 11:57:32 PM
The situation is even worse than u think, guys. Just look at http://blockchain.info/charts/network-deficit.

EDIT: And this - http://blockchain.info/charts/miners-operating-profit-margin. Do u see the trend?
Considering they are still operating on GPU power calculations, of course it LOOKS like a defecit.  Look at the bottom of the stats page:  "* Electricity consumption is estimated based on power consumption of 650 Watts per gigahash and electricity price of 15 cent per kilowatt hour. In reality some miners will be more or less efficient."

None of the ASIC are running at 650 watts of power per GH.
478  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: How long will it take to reach 1 billion difficulty? on: September 03, 2013, 11:52:12 PM
Let me show you a pretty nice calculator where you can try for yourself:

http://btcinvest.net/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php

The really slick thing in comparison to other calcs is that you can set the initial difficulty increase for the first jump and how much the percentual growth of difficulty will lower each jump. (Since it is likely to go down as difficulty reaches bigger numbers.

Lets say the difficulty jumps by 30% this time and the percentual growth goes back by 3% for each jump. (Meaning from the first to second jump it would increase by 27%.):
http://btcinvest.net/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=65750060.149085&dcosts=500&diff_mincrease=30&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=860&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=132.51&dpowcon=30&btcusd_mincrease=1&pcost=0.25&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=0&action=calc

It would reach 1 billion by the sixth of february 2014 then.

Generally I would say that the difficulty is skyrocketing at the moment and its very hard to tell whats gonna happen to it, but I go with 1 Billion by 2014/02/06  Smiley



Nice calculator, a lot better put together than the x% jump forever the crowd now uses.  I think it need a little tweek though, I think the next 3-5 increases with be larger than the last and then start tapering off fairly quickly.  if possible add a % increase and # month increase to the calc.
479  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Block Erupter Blade (New Model)]Low Price, Limited Quantity on: September 03, 2013, 07:59:12 PM
4 btc/$560 cost basis for 10gh + starting difficulty 88,000,000 + only 15% per difficulty increase = $27 profit after 12 months.  No go.

Mining is dead, long live mining!

What calculations for % gain in BTC price?
Sorry for the tangent of the thread... but I feel it's relevant.

If you spend 4BTC, and it never returns 4BTC... then who cares what USD price of BTC is?

The less than 4BTC you earn with the hardware will never be worth as much as the 4BTC spent for the hardware, no matter what the price of BTC is...



This alone is reason enough. . . . and there is more. . .

AM had the chance to crush the competition and dominated the market by supplying hardware at competitive prices.  If they had focused on an expanded supply line and competing on price.  They could have owned asic production and created an economy of scale with much more long term profit, but instead they focused on maximizing their short term profit.  This in turn left room in the market for another 4-6 companies to pop up.  This is good for customers, but truly bad news for AM.

etc..etc..

So go ahead AM, keep on keeping on.  Then one day there will be no customers left. . .imho

g' luck

am was making 2500%+ profit margin on their blades, the industry leader apple is making around 30% and that's considered extremely high.  am knows exactly what they are doing. Why sell 5000 blades when you can sell 200 and achieve the same profit. They have continued to be the market leader in term of actual gh/$ delivered.

It sucks for the clueless miners buying into their hardware that barely roi anything, but it does not suck to be am.
I think you meant leader in $/GH.  500$/GH on the early 50BTC blades, $750/GH in May for USB.  Nobody knows how to ass-rape customers like AM.
480  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Block Erupter Blade (New Model)]Low Price, Limited Quantity on: September 03, 2013, 07:23:38 PM
should it be any different now?  Spare me your sanctimonious crap, it's still highway robbery.

Come on dude, it's not like you are forced to buy these.  If you don't like the deal, you just don't buy.  Nobody robs you.

Everyone says they need to inform the clueless about BFL's practices.  I am only doing the same about these.  If you shout down the logic you are condoning the practice of ripping people off for profit.  If people have been warned and still buy, then there is nothing I can do but say "I warned you".

Guess what?  No-one in this thread is interested in your opinion.  Get down off your soap box, and go take it somewhere else.
It's not an opinion, it's fact.  But I guess the 6-8 other people now saying the same thing I did means nothing.
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