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761  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thoughts on religion for a Sunday morning on: July 15, 2014, 10:32:49 AM
 I could say the same about my atheism. I didn't wake up one morning and discover I was an atheist. It came from years of study, contemplation, debate, doubt and uncertainty and a fierce desire to know the truth. At 18, I gave up any belief in any religion { I was raised a Catholic and educated mostly by Jesuits} sometime later I gave up any belief in God. It hurt. However I felt it was the pain that comes from years of wearing chains and I was ecstatic that I had removed them and cast them aside. I felt free and still do. I am a recovering theist and a very happy one. I write about God and Religion because I am interested in the subject. I also know that unless I raise some anger or annoyance in the OP people will not get involved in the discussion.  I mean no harm. I have been around the cyberspace block a few times and am well tanned by the experience.
762  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Thoughts on religion for a Sunday morning on: July 15, 2014, 10:20:55 AM
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Spend 20 years or so as a Christian and 20 years or so as a atheist and get back to me.

Sana,just because your parents took you to church when you were young doesn't mean you automatically know anything about Christianity.  Your comments concerning Christianity only indicate that were exposed to a dysfunctional person that claimed to be Christian. That person could be yourself or someone else. Only you would know, or would you?
Then, it seems as if you experienced a difficulty in life, blamed it on this "God" of your making and then decided you hated "God" or believe there is no higher power in this universe because you didn't like what your life was. Gotta blame somebody right?
Right but it was expressed with the sort of condescension I am often accused of showing theists. They certainly are free to complain about it and so am I. Kierkegaard's "leap of faith" is a leap into the abyss of superstition. Its like saying "you will never enjoy the sense of flying until you jump off a cliff"
763  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 15, 2014, 10:19:12 AM
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But the truth is, that is essentially the answer - as you and others have pointed out hundreds of times, a good percentage of the American people own firearms. Even more support the right to own them. No, I DON'T believe that in America, you'd get away with what you describe here.
"It couldn't happen here", is your answer?  I wouldn't have thought it could happen in Australia... but it did.  In 1996.  The Australian Constitution forbids confiscation of private property so the government got tricky and put a tax on healthcare.  The revenue from that tax was then used in a mandatory 'buy back' program of small arms.  All "voluntary", of course.  Not confiscation at all 'cause the aussie government gave some money for the guns the citizens were forced to 'volunteer' to surrender.

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It would be stopped dead in its tracks at the voting booth. And I accept that that will not be a satisfactory answer to you. I just don't care. I believe it is a satisfactory answer to reasonable Americans in the center.
The suggestion there, of course, is that you are 'in the center'?
764  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 15, 2014, 09:29:35 AM
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I feel obligated to support laws that make it harder for criminals and mentally ill people to get their hands on them.
Such as?  I mean, it's already pretty hard to buy a firearm and sometimes mental illness descends upon someone unexpectedly.
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I also recognize that some places - some states and cities - have been reactionary in their approach, and always thinking that they have gun laws, but crime is still happening, they've instituted stricter and stricter laws that really only affect the law abiding.
That's true.  The 'law abiding' are, by definition, not the problem and there is this risk;  being made into a criminal when a law is created.  A gun owner hasn't actually done anything wrong and is not about to yet some dweeb in a legislature passes a law and 'poof', the gun owner is a criminal.
You should have read the whole post before starting to pick it apart. I addressed this - the point is that I support a national standard that would supersede all state and local regulation.
Hysterical reaction - the law I'm talking about would not make people who own firearms into criminals. The truth is, neither do the bans - which I don't support. Let's say your state bans all handguns (again - NOT something I'd support). Owning one prior to the ban going into place does not make you a criminal. Even if the law (as it likely would) required citizens to turn in their handguns, or have them permanently disabled, you STILL would not become a criminal unless you made the conscious decision to disregard the law and not do it.

I really do not understand your hostility.  You seem to be suggesting that it's not possible for a government to make criminals with the stroke of a pen.  Governments occasionally make laws 'retroactive'.  Additionally, passing a law that the legislators know is going to be ignored... what is that if not creating criminals out of thin air?  Suppose next year Congress decides that all US citizens must purchase bell bottom jeans.  After all, the bell bottom jeans industry is in crisis!  Literally 100's of jobs are on the line here.  But you DD, you anarchist scofflaw, refuse to buy your bell bottoms and blatantly walk around in your kilt, brazenly not even wearing drawers.  You're a criminal not because of something you did but because of something you didn't do... buy your damned bell bottoms.  :-)

Merely because something is law does not mean it should be obeyed.  In fact, un-just laws should not be.
765  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 15, 2014, 08:55:49 AM
I think some of the misunderstanding about guns comes from where you grew up in America. Outside of the cities gun ownership is extremely common. As a kid I seriously did not know anyone who did not own a gun. When I moved to a city later on I had no neighbors who owned a gun. Most of them were very intimidated by the thought of guns. They related them to violence, which makes sense. The only time they heard about guns is when there was a shooting of a person.

People who know about guns relate them to good times with friends. They relate them to competition and personal challenge. For example, this weekend I was a target puller at the state PALMA and F class shooting championship. It was about as violent as a round of golf.

The problem is that those people who know nothing about guns want to address their problems of violence by making rules for people who have nothing to do with the problem. I fail to see how another rule is the solution for gun violence in a place like Chicago. Criminals do not obey rules. That means that gun control laws only further disadvantage law abiding citizens by leaving them unarmed.

Gun control is to the left what abortion is to the right. An emotional issue about those who want to make rules for other people to obey. An effort to control the perceived misbehavior of people and force them to accept your beliefs.  
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766  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don't Mess with Messiahs on: July 14, 2014, 06:36:59 PM
It's exactly why I feel not the LEAST obligation to bray about any charitable actions or donations on my own behalf.What, rigon, you expect me to spend time in a pissing contest as to who makes the most donations or gives the most time? With someone I have not ONE way of comparing myself honestly to, since I know what I do, but have only your claims as to what you do?
767  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don't Mess with Messiahs on: July 14, 2014, 06:30:44 PM
One thing the government could think about is keeping the kids here and sending an equal number of fixed income seniors away. I'm sure lots of folks would be willing to move back to their homeland if they could still get a check. The government could even save more money by doing col decreases.

Obviously, you pile a boatload of tourists with ssi paychecks on the beach, you're going to have to provide some security...
768  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don't Mess with Messiahs on: July 14, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
I guess we've arrive at the stage of the conversation where after leftists declare they "care about the children" coming here in droves with no provision for them now or in the future, they engage in a mob beat down of those who actually have charitable involvement with those same kids. 


Meanwhile, their petulant messiah who cause the problem gets yet another pass on his blowing smoke up their ass by blaming this on the Repubs for not passing a bill which would do nothing to fix the situation.
lol. Sorry, I was quite happy to discuss the issue on the basis of what we as a society should do with these kids and how we should address the immigration issues we face.
You keep telling yourself that.  You pompous sanctimonious dimwits need to be knocked on your ass by the fact you are all full of crap.  You are every bit as selfish and greedy as the asshats in DC that you criticize and the main one whom you won't.
Well, that should certainly help your spleen, even though it accomplishes nothing else. lolol.

umair, from where I sit,your SIL  does the work. Where exactly do you get the credit from?
lol.  Not surprised that you would take that stance given that you are alone in the world but we own a business. We are a team   And I already mentioned that I took on getting a shipping container of supplies together over this summer to be sent, and it'll go hopefully within the next month.  My SIL blogged about the hospital, and I knew some people who I thought could help me so that's been my project lately. It took a lot of willing people to get it together, each of them southern though not all of them white, granted.  Wink
well, of course, we only have their own words as to the immense generosity they display...but understand there's a clear strategy behind their words. The idea is to suggest that charity can do the job, both in this instance and at home, so that government shouldn't ask them to pay taxes for these issues. But of course there's no guarantee that they either ARE contributing with the immense generosity they claim, what we have are people asking us to believe that their private charity is sufficient to accomplish our social goals, without a single evidence of proof of that generosity now or later.

It's a laughably lame attempt to get out of paying for this society's responsibilities, and is waaaaay too easily seen through for what it is: greed and lack of compassion for others.
769  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Don't Mess with Messiahs on: July 14, 2014, 06:07:10 PM
I guess we've arrive at the stage of the conversation where after leftists declare they "care about the children" coming here in droves with no provision for them now or in the future, they engage in a mob beat down of those who actually have charitable involvement with those same kids. 


Meanwhile, their petulant messiah who cause the problem gets yet another pass on his blowing smoke up their ass by blaming this on the Repubs for not passing a bill which would do nothing to fix the situation.
lol. Sorry, I was quite happy to discuss the issue on the basis of what we as a society should do with these kids and how we should address the immigration issues we face.
You keep telling yourself that.  You pompous sanctimonious dimwits need to be knocked on your ass by the fact you are all full of crap.  You are every bit as selfish and greedy as the asshats in DC that you criticize and the main one whom you won't.
Well, that should certainly help your spleen, even though it accomplishes nothing else. lolol.

umair, from where I sit,your SIL  does the work. Where exactly do you get the credit from?
770  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 14, 2014, 05:55:32 PM
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Amend Constitution to explicitly ban corporations and other liability-shielding business structures from being considered to have Constittuional rights

Allow government regulators a stipend and a job in human resources and ban them from taking any private sector job that is not far removed from any business sectors that they regulated in their government position for a period of 4 years.

Amend the Constitution to set a lower limit on the reserve ratio of private banks to 40%.
771  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 14, 2014, 05:43:39 PM
My three are:

(1) Eliminate Social Security and replace it with individual retirement accounts.

(2) Eliminate the Department of Education.

(3) Simplify the income tax to a flat 15% rate with an individual exemption for each member of the family up to the poverty level. All tax credits, deductions, and incentives would be eliminated, including mortgage interest, investment loss, charitable giving, student loan interest, oil and gas exploration, etc.
772  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 05:01:54 PM
Who needs firearms when you  have vicious guard pets? At pitbull …...or a crazy cat !   Grin
773  Other / Off-topic / Re: Best Cartoon Ever? on: July 14, 2014, 04:55:15 PM
The Simpsons.Would like to point out that a solid chunk of other cartoons on this list would not have existed without the Simpsons.
774  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 04:18:48 PM
Other things I don't own...A parachute..A chainsaw..A trailer hitch ..A hot air popcorn popper..Like a firearm...I hope I never need any of these things.
I don't own a parachute or a popcorn popper. I use my chainsaw frequently and keep a half dozen chains for it. I definitely own a trailer hitch I use mostly in support of my wife's Interior Decorating practice, and moving furniture between our homes as my wife prefers. Every member of my family owns various guns. Each kid is given a 22 rifle at age 10, a shotgun at age 12, and a handgun at age 14, as they demonstrate unwavering safety practices.

As an NRA Instructor I push safety before any get guns, and I push that VERY HARD!

I have owned guns all my life, having grown up on a farm where critters tended to eat the crops given the chance. My father paid a dollar for a groundhog kill and two bucks for a crow (crows are way too smart, hard to hit, harder to get close to them).

I think the NRA is insane and if you are not a farmer or a sportsman you should not be carrying.

I mean the recent walking into restaurants with your 30/30 slung over your should should cause anyone not truly insane to see the rationale for regulation.

I would register my weapons in a NY minute and so should we all.
775  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 03:58:17 PM
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Registration should be voluntary. Then nobodies breakin the law.
Even if made law...it would be voluntary. Criminals will not register their weapons...only honest law abiding citizens will.
776  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 03:43:31 PM
Yes, I own firearms. I used to shoot competitively, in my youth.  I've always supported the right of American citizens to own firearms and still do. However, being a responsible gun owner, I feel obligated to support laws that make it harder for criminals and mentally ill people to get their hands on them. I also recognize that some places - some states and cities - have been reactionary in their approach, and always thinking that they have gun laws, but crime is still happening, they've instituted stricter and stricter laws that really only affect the law abiding. That's why I support a nationalized gun control policy.

Here in New Jersey, our laws (as written) require persons to submit to a background check (including being finger printed) to get a Firearms ID Card, with which they can purchase long guns and ammunition so long as they carry it. In addition, to purchase a handgun, an purchase permit is required. Within one calendar year of your most recent background check, the issuing authority (your local police chief or State Police Barracks Commander) may issue handgun purchase permits without requiring another check at his discretion. The law requires the process to be completed within 30 days of the permit request being submitted. If you are convicted of a crime, or are diagnosed by a licensed therapist as being a danger to yourself or others, your Firearms ID Card may be suspended or revoked, following a hearing.

I believe that this is a good model on which to base a national standard. In my proposed solution, this nationalized standard would replace ALL gun regulations in all 50 states, including those who have the overly restrictive statutes at this time, and would prohibit states and municipalities from passing further restrictions other than that which would apply in state or municipal buildings.
I think you must have mentioned that before and probably been hit with this question... sorry if I missed it.  There are quite a few examples, across the globe, of governments doing exactly what you suggest.  Then, a few years later, that 'natonal gun control policy', turns into, "Yay!  We have a list of gun owners... now we hunt them down and confiscate!"

Do you believe that couldn't or wouldn't happen here?  And if so, why not?

"'Cause dis is 'Merica!" probably wouldn't be a satisfactory answer to me, at least.  :-)
777  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
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I feel obligated to support laws that make it harder for criminals and mentally ill people to get their hands on them.
Such as?  I mean, it's already pretty hard to buy a firearm and sometimes mental illness descends upon someone unexpectedly.
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I also recognize that some places - some states and cities - have been reactionary in their approach, and always thinking that they have gun laws, but crime is still happening, they've instituted stricter and stricter laws that really only affect the law abiding.
That's true.  The 'law abiding' are, by definition, not the problem and there is this risk;  being made into a criminal when a law is created.  A gun owner hasn't actually done anything wrong and is not about to yet some dweeb in a legislature passes a law and 'poof', the gun owner is a criminal.
778  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 03:01:05 PM
Other things I don't own...A parachute..A chainsaw..A trailer hitch ..A hot air popcorn popper..Like a firearm...I hope I never need any of these things.
I'd reconsider that hot air popcorn popper.  My cousin has one and it makes great popcorn.  Plus you can add a tad more butter than normal to make up for that horrible, artery clogging oil, LOL!
Hmmm,avoid the oil altogether and simply take a lunch bag, put a little popcorn in it, fold the top down and stick it in the microwave and push the popcorn button . While that cooks without oil melt some butter on the stove, get the garlic powder and a bowl and then mix all the ingredients and enjoy. No fuss, no muss and you can make a little or a lot. No oil, no chemicals, no harmful ingredients and you can add as much butter as you want or flavor it any way you want.
779  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you own a firearm? on: July 14, 2014, 02:47:19 PM
Other things I don't own...A parachute..A chainsaw..A trailer hitch ..A hot air popcorn popper..Like a firearm...I hope I never need any of these things.
780  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Three Changes on: July 14, 2014, 02:22:24 PM
Single payer health care. Improved primary education. Decriminalization of drugs. And the ability of foreign people to enter USA without having to apply for a visa.
I agree with you on 2 and 3 (and 2's benefit is self-evident to everyone), but how would you accomplish 2? Why a single payer healthcare system?
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