another anon scamcoin?
i'm in!
Anonymous is played out. Coinjoin anon is played out and outdated. Working anon isn't played out. |
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I'm curious as to how many CLOAKers would consider Silk Roadish listings to be objectionable. Hypothetically speaking.
SWIM wouldn't be opposed to anything that doesn't harm another person other than the buyer. However, if SWIM saw a listing for a person for sale then I think SWIM would have to draw the line.  |
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Sorry if this was already mentioned, but have you guys considered the legal implications of a decentralized market? Such as, when people list illegal items? It's not truly decentralized if someone would have the power to remove such items, so how would it be managed?
market would by managed by people... for example: if product reach 100 bad points from certified address (people), will be automatically removed... but i think central authority is necessary, but must be working for market good name (concurent fight), because i am sure in the future here will be more markets... Central authority is overrated  |
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Sorry if this was already mentioned, but have you guys considered the legal implications of a decentralized market? Such as, when people list illegal items? It's not truly decentralized if someone would have the power to remove such items, so how would it be managed?
The OneMarket has some checks and balances for this type of situation (OneJury) but if the majority rules in favor then its legal for commerce. From what I understand after that point there won't be anyway other way to shut the sale down. I guess this is the Nintendo generation taking matters into our own hands xD |
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cloak below 300k tastes sooooooo good.
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I thought it was funny when I first saw this coin a while back because I'm heavily invested into large scale Urea distribution. I haven't heard anything in the industry about this coin though.
Urea orders are usually 50k-100k minimum for a price break. So I could see the concept being used because of the large money transfers; However, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to accomplish with this coin though. Alot of the buyers/sellers of Urea don't have computers let alone smart phones to make proper use of this coin. You're dealing with rural farmers, trucking companies etc.
Urea is not just a fertilizer its used for diesel emissions reduction though diesel particulate filters or DPFs for short. The Urea is sprayed into the active and hybrid DPF systems to burn off the excess particulate matter.
The real money is in the trucking industry because of the emissions regulations spreading across the country. But like I said most of these people don't trust electronic money transfers or even have computers let alone smart phones. I just don't see it taking off because of the customer base. Something like this would probably be more effective in like 5-8 years once bitcoin has gone completely mainstream and the concept has been introduced to them.
Just my 2 cents from someone in the industry. Good luck with everything.
That is interesting thanks. They have talked of paper certificates and the like before being used for the farmers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7245003#msg7245003Hey no problem, anytime. In my experience though the only paper certificates they'll want to see is US dollars xD Thanks for the cool-story. When you're not a cheerleader for cloakcoin is this what you do? No problem. Anytime I can help educate investors about industries they aren't familiar with I'm glad to help.  What's your deal with Cloakcoin? I'm invested in all kinds of coins.. the reason why I am more active in the Cloakcoin thread is because it's the most promising crypto ecosystem atm. Anonymous (non-coinjoin) decentralized transactions + decentralized in-wallet exchange trading + decentralized marketplace = Holygrail/Holy Trinity of Crypto. Why wouldn't I be cheerleading a project like that on? Something like that if successful will be worth more than Bitcoin. Anyways though I didn't come here to promote Cloak just wondering why you would bring it up in this thread.. |
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I thought it was funny when I first saw this coin a while back because I'm heavily invested into large scale Urea distribution. I haven't heard anything in the industry about this coin though.
Urea orders are usually 50k-100k minimum for a price break. So I could see the concept being used because of the large money transfers; However, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to accomplish with this coin though. Alot of the buyers/sellers of Urea don't have computers let alone smart phones to make proper use of this coin. You're dealing with rural farmers, trucking companies etc.
Urea is not just a fertilizer its used for diesel emissions reduction though diesel particulate filters or DPFs for short. The Urea is sprayed into the active and hybrid DPF systems to burn off the excess particulate matter.
The real money is in the trucking industry because of the emissions regulations spreading across the country. But like I said most of these people don't trust electronic money transfers or even have computers let alone smart phones. I just don't see it taking off because of the customer base. Something like this would probably be more effective in like 5-8 years once bitcoin has gone completely mainstream and the concept has been introduced to them.
Just my 2 cents from someone in the industry. Good luck with everything.
That is interesting thanks. They have talked of paper certificates and the like before being used for the farmers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7245003#msg7245003Hey no problem, anytime. In my experience though the only paper certificates they'll want to see is US dollars xD Well if u go to India u will see that even rickshaw pullers have smart phones..what r u talking about! As a matter of fact my family happens to own a farm in india and smartphone are fast penetrating in the rural areas...infact a bunch of my friends from the rural area just joined facebook last month!  Also didnt the dev mention that the target customers at the beginning stage are urea wholesellers? Direct selling of urea to the farmers is still a bitways away I think... Nice man! Yeah the situation is a bit different in the US concerning the rural areas. ( http://www.rurdev.usda.gov/utp_bip.html) was a project that was supposed to increase the access to technology in the rural areas but hasn't really seen large scale penetration. |
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Also, I didn't mean to classify farmers/ranchers/truckers as techno-illiterates because there are a few exceptions to any job stereotype. I have one friend that's a farmer that owns a 5k gaming rig. When I tried to explain him about Bitcoin it literally took about a week or two of conversations and he still doesn't fully comprehend it. But he owns 1 bitcoin now So it technically is possible just takes some hurdles to jump through. |
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I thought it was funny when I first saw this coin a while back because I'm heavily invested into large scale Urea distribution. I haven't heard anything in the industry about this coin though.
Urea orders are usually 50k-100k minimum for a price break. So I could see the concept being used because of the large money transfers; However, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to accomplish with this coin though. Alot of the buyers/sellers of Urea don't have computers let alone smart phones to make proper use of this coin. You're dealing with rural farmers, trucking companies etc.
Urea is not just a fertilizer its used for diesel emissions reduction though diesel particulate filters or DPFs for short. The Urea is sprayed into the active and hybrid DPF systems to burn off the excess particulate matter.
The real money is in the trucking industry because of the emissions regulations spreading across the country. But like I said most of these people don't trust electronic money transfers or even have computers let alone smart phones. I just don't see it taking off because of the customer base. Something like this would probably be more effective in like 5-8 years once bitcoin has gone completely mainstream and the concept has been introduced to them.
Just my 2 cents from someone in the industry. Good luck with everything.
That is interesting thanks. They have talked of paper certificates and the like before being used for the farmers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600639.msg7245003#msg7245003Hey no problem, anytime. In my experience though the only paper certificates they'll want to see is US dollars xD |
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I thought it was funny when I first saw this coin a while back because I'm heavily invested into large scale Urea distribution. I haven't heard anything in the industry about this coin though.
Urea orders are usually 50k-100k minimum for a price break. So I could see the concept being used because of the large money transfers; However, I'm not sure what the OP is trying to accomplish with this coin though. Alot of the buyers/sellers of Urea don't have computers let alone smart phones to make proper use of this coin. You're dealing with rural farmers, trucking companies etc.
Urea is not just a fertilizer its used for diesel emissions reduction through diesel particulate filters or DPFs for short. The Urea is sprayed into the active and hybrid DPF systems to burn off the excess particulate matter.
The real money is in the trucking industry because of the emissions regulations spreading across the country. But like I said most of these people don't trust electronic money transfers or even have computers let alone smart phones. I just don't see it taking off because of the customer base. Something like this would probably be more effective in like 5-8 years once bitcoin has gone completely mainstream and the concept has been introduced to them.
Just my 2 cents from someone in the industry. Good luck with everything.
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Anybody experiencing any of the following: Coins not arriving at mintpal or other exchange Wallet is out of sync Not displaying the exact block number as showing on the Cloak block explorer... http://cloak.blockexplorer.cc/chain/CloakCoinFollow the instructions posted below. went through the same. Apparently fork on mintpal. Only way to recover for me was: 1. Make copy of wallet.dat -DO NOT MISS THIS else coin gone 2. Get rid of the entire appdata\roaming\cloakcoin folder 3. Run the wallet 4. stop it and copy your saved wallet.dat back in 5. create a cloakcoin.conf file in the appdata\roaming\cloakcoin folder 6. add some nodes eg this is the content of my file: Get latest nodes from... http://cloak.blockexplorer.cc/nodes/7. Run the wallet again and let it sync I had to restart it a couple of times to get the sync to complete If your coins don't show (happened to me) : go to debug console and enter and run repairwallet Should be good after that All hail TheDagger! Master of the Cloak! |
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I have to ask who? I have created an wallet CLOAK in Bittrex. I have sent coins to it but so far still empty wallet. I asked Bittrex support but they have not responded. My transaction details:
Status: 395 confirmations
Date: 7/5/2014 02:58
To: Bittrex BxTmSYLcQ6Fx6rscppLYVcbX7okT59tLfu
Debit: -237.483354 CLOAK
Transaction fee: -0.12 CLOAK
Net amount: -237.603354 CLOAK
Transaction ID: 97c06f82d86b4a72c5323ffd755805cb623afca8c41b3b9aee8ce33504e63c15 help me please !!! sorry my english is not good.  There's something strange about your wallet. When I look up the payment address on the Block Explorer the transaction isn't there -> http://cloak.blockexplorer.cc/address/BxTmSYLcQ6Fx6rscppLYVcbX7okT59tLfuWhen I trace the other payments to this address I don't see the mining you're showing in your wallet screenshot-> http://cloak.blockexplorer.cc/address/CE4ijF8HY4bmVECmGFLas6hNF6FNVP8UN1It looks like he's on the wrong fork. Try these instructions: Can someone help me please ? Yesterday my wallet was synced and staking all off a sudden it stopped syncing on Wed 25. Jun 11:22:32 2014 block 31136 and now it will not sync and the stakes are stuck ! Can anyone advise me ?
went through the same. Apparently fork on mintpal. Only way to recover for me was: 1. Make copy of wallet.dat -DO NOT MISS THIS else coin gone 2. Get rid of the entire appdata\roaming\cloakcoin folder 3. Run the wallet 4. stop it and copy your saved wallet.dat back in 5. create a cloakcoin.conf file in the appdata\roaming\cloakcoin folder (you can download this here skip line 6 if you do download this http://cloak.blockexplorer.cc/nodes/download.php) 6. add some nodes eg this is the content of my file: addnode=cloak.blockexplorer.cc addnode=108.166.185.202 addnode=95.57.120.229 addnode=69.175.37.134 addnode=128.199.178.172 addnode=204.11.237.74 addnode=54.76.17.223 addnode=83.5.174.97 addnode=208.84.132.253 7. Run the wallet again and let it sync I had to restart it a couple of times to get the sync to complete If your coins don't show (happened to me) : go to debug console and enter and run repairwallet Should be good after that |
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I have to ask who? I have created an wallet CLOAK in Bittrex. I have sent coins to it but so far still empty wallet. I asked Bittrex support but they have not responded. My transaction details:
Status: 395 confirmations
Date: 7/5/2014 02:58
To: Bittrex BxTmSYLcQ6Fx6rscppLYVcbX7okT59tLfu
Debit: -237.483354 CLOAK
Transaction fee: -0.12 CLOAK
Net amount: -237.603354 CLOAK
Transaction ID: 97c06f82d86b4a72c5323ffd755805cb623afca8c41b3b9aee8ce33504e63c15help me please !!! sorry my english is not good. Just hold tight until you get a response from Bittrex. I had a similar issue with Mintpal and they cleared it up. |
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BC released blackhalo trading decentralized platform beta today, can go download it on their thread (uses bitmessage too). Hasnt effected market price yet. Played around with it little, interface needs to be little more user friendly. But in end i like how fees/escrows benefit cloak stakers as described in here, overall more cloak centralized marketplace which brings value back to us coinholders/investors. btw cloak is first coin i actually hold, been daytrading for last few months successfully, this coin too promising to sell for daytrade profits Cool thanks for the heads up, I just finished checking it out. My question though is what problem are they trying to solve? They don't have any form of privacy protection or anonymity for Blackcoin that I could find. This begs me to ask the question why wouldn't they just use a regular centralized model like blackcoiner.com? I don't see the benefit to the end user to use BC + decentralized marketplace vs a privacy focused currency like Cloak + OneMarket when the payments can be traced back to the buyer/seller.. This would be the same as using Squareup.com to buy weed from a drug dealer.. Sure the transaction can work but why would you want linkability in the equation. |
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Im back and read the pages i missed.
I like the WhitePaper Dagger.
I also find the idea somewhat risky though
but i like it
what risk do you see? buyers and sellers to trade with one another without a governing central point of control. Oh. True, however I love the idea. I believe the threat of mutual destruction can take over for a central figure. No system is perfect, but I believe the one outlined in the paper is headed to a more ideal solution than paying a percentage to two parties that are just one in disguise( ebay --paypal) whose default action is to place the burden of proof on the seller. I do agree that a secondary forum will become a necessity as an extension of this board. Which is why it makes me wonder why this isnt a penny stock... Cloakcoin is or Isn't a penny stock? I'm just confused.. Screw the onemarket, if PoSA works as advertised on launch then hold on for a ride, bc if they can do PoSA then Onemarket is achievable.... a decentralized exchange platform has always been the holy grail....just no one has been able to do it, *cough* fucking emunie bc has already pulled it off and released theirs today... If you're referring to blackcoiner.com its just a standard website marketplace, its not decentralized. |
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Im back and read the pages i missed.
I like the WhitePaper Dagger.
I also find the idea somewhat risky though
but i like it
what risk do you see? buyers and sellers to trade with one another without a governing central point of control. I think the contracts could be looked at as a governing POC |
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As a matter of fact the main point of this area is to "announce" an altcoin. I doubt the concept of 2000+ page threads were ever looked at by anyone as effective. Most of you making a call about critical mass just care about the price going up which is a short term goal. Long term this thread will be 2000+ pages with zero organization and alot of valuable topics will be lost in the sea of pages. At that point I doubt you or anyone else will be willing to go through each individual page to catalog key points.
I'm not saying to close this thread.. I'm saying let's move the discussion to a format that will bring more long benefits. Plus this is an anonymous coin which is marketed to privacy-oriented individuals. Hosting the main forum here where the owners of bitcointalk freeze your account if you use TOR or i2p then charge a fee to unlock it makes absolutely no sense. Its like trying to promote aethism on an evangelical christian forum.. Just doesnt make much sense.
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I see no reason why it should be moved to Cryptcoitalk... BCT is a much bigger forum. +1 need to stay where the critical mass is - which is here. Main reason is organization of discussion. The altcoin threads on this forum feel like 6 people all talkin over each other about different topics. Having a different thread for technical issues, trading, marketing, one for each of the planned Cloak products, etc would do wonders to grow this community. Seems like every page on here someone asks the same issue about dll or how to resnyc their wallet. When these threads get too long its almost impossible to find relative information. |
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[quoteI bet if a coin claimed to cure cancer every shitcoin dev would magically have those skills too.] so true but dont you just hate when somebody is working hard on an inovation and them comes along a clone with premine because offcourse the dev must be paid and copies an idea, the thing is that they have 3 times the volume and money is going to the wrong coin. No worries. Development can lay claim to ideas but not the implementation. For that it takes skill. Basically, talk is cheap and if they don't produce no amount of future innovation will stem the outward flow of money . Not worried. Cloak is still young but very mature. [/quote] +1 |
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I don't have to argue with you, it seem you guys are butthurt that Vootcoin have 3 times the volume of Cloakcoin . [quoteI bet if a coin claimed to cure cancer every shitcoin dev would magically have those skills too.] so true but dont you just hate when somebody is working hard on an inovation and them comes along a clone with premine because offcourse the dev must be paid and copies an idea, the thing is that they have 3 times the volume and money is going to the wrong coin. Why would I be butthurt? This is technology people are investing in at the end of the day. If investors are too ignorant to research the technology they're investing in then they don't deserve to cry when they lose their investment. If a technology has a proven vulnerability the developers patch it or advise to patch it. On the other hand your camp completely ignores the vulnerability and focuses on another area. Cloak doesn't want or need the retarded PnD investors that are sending volume to Voot or any other coinjoin based crypto for that matter. Real investors do their homework and with 6 active Cloak devs you'll be hardpressed to keep up your cloning efforts. Good luck with your investments |
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