2. Advertising is a problem.
No. It's a symptom of the problem we just both agreed on. Advertising has minimal effect on me because I studied it's effect and try to be self aware about my actions. Plus because I studied it I do my best to avoid it (thank luck we have adblock  ) |
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When you say educated, what areas do we need to improve the current education? What subjects do they need more education of?
People aren't being taught how to think only what to think. This is the number one problem the current education system has, kids never learn that if they want to think correctly, i.e. think in a way that will yield the best possible resaults they need to correctly apply reason/logic and empirical observation. Instead kids are bombarded with facts that they must memorize in order to pass a test, not to mention that while being taught these fact they are also subtly being taught obedience to authority and the fallacious virtue of a violent state. |
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@ Hazek - You are entitled to narrow a value-judgement to just if you don't force someone. But there is quite a bit of harm that happens and people don't know it happens and the people that perpetrate that harm will still exist in AnCap as they do now, just in AnCap there will be even less oversight than there is today which is virtually nothing.
Honestly I have nothing against AnCap as a concept, but we will need to fill it with humans at some point to make it real and that is the point where these other issues I am bringing up will come into play and really make like more of a living hell than today and its getting worse.
Don't think I am pessimistic either, I am an optimist and quite a happy fellow. I just know how people have been conditioned and that would not lend to the types of behaviors you would need to have AnCap succeed in the manner that people in general would see their daily life improve.
Well then.. you're problem is not with AnCap but with unintelligent, undeveloped and uneducated people. If ancap is only compatible with intelligent people then we should stop talking about it because it will always be an ideal and could never really exist. But ancap is compatible with the unintelligent, they would just be worse off. Maybe that's why the unintelligent argue against ancap... Well yes that's what I mean.. I was talking about an AnCap society not being possible with unintelligent people, the framework of course is but such a framework could never lead to an actual AnCap society because if people are unintelligent they'll resort back to violence to enforce their stupidity sooner rather than later and the society would dissolve into what we have today, tyranny of the majority. |
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@ Hazek - You are entitled to narrow a value-judgement to just if you don't force someone. But there is quite a bit of harm that happens and people don't know it happens and the people that perpetrate that harm will still exist in AnCap as they do now, just in AnCap there will be even less oversight than there is today which is virtually nothing.
Honestly I have nothing against AnCap as a concept, but we will need to fill it with humans at some point to make it real and that is the point where these other issues I am bringing up will come into play and really make like more of a living hell than today and its getting worse.
Don't think I am pessimistic either, I am an optimist and quite a happy fellow. I just know how people have been conditioned and that would not lend to the types of behaviors you would need to have AnCap succeed in the manner that people in general would see their daily life improve.
Well then.. you're problem is not with AnCap but with unintelligent, undeveloped and uneducated people. |
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Dalkore, AnCap is only compatible with intelligent, modern and educated people.
So unless you have such people, no one here is arguing you can have an AnCap society. And if you do have such people no one here will believe any of your problems would actually be problems.
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Once they got a large sum of money, their effort and activities became increasingly focused on power and influence.
Elaborate. How do they wield this power and influence? Many ways, I will give you a few examples then you will need to use your imagination. Foundations NGO Nothing wrong if they don't use violence to enforce their will upon others except in self defense. Lobbying That's corporatism not anarcho-capitalism. Endowments Nothing wrong if it doesn't defraud anyone or using violence against anyone in order to provide it. PACs That's corporatism not anarcho-capitalism. Dedications Nothing wrong if it doesn't defraud anyone or using violence against anyone in order to provide it. Scholarships Nothing wrong if it doesn't defraud anyone or using violence against anyone in order to provide it. Funded Research Nothing wrong if it doesn't defraud anyone or using violence against anyone in order to provide it. Advertising Nothing wrong if it doesn't defraud anyone or using violence against anyone in order to provide it. If you don't like it don't watch it. Movies Same. Books Same. Screenplays Same. TV Shows Same. Radio Shows Same. BTW in all of these only in corporatism someone with opposing ideas is NOT allowed to freely produce and distribute their own advertising, movies, books, screenplays, tv shows, radio shows ect. Political Movements That's corporatism not anarcho-capitalism. Pornography
Celebrities Just  etc....
ect WHAT?! You have yet to formulate a valid objection to AnCap. |
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Merely saying and acting like I own a natural well doesn't actually mean anything. Unless I produced it, mixed resources with labor I don't own it and anyone that claims otherwise is a fraud and should be fought against exactly the same as one would fight an evil sadistic bully/thug who'd want to impose his will upon you through the use of violence.
But if I put my sweat and blood into building a well on land I cultivated you better believe I can charge the maximum if I want. But why would I be so stupid? You can just build your own well next door and start competing with me, what a stupid thing would that be. I much rather keep the price at a reasonable level and turn my labor of building that well into a nice profit and have you be a farmer and have you turn your labor into a nice profit for you.
You see IN ALL PROBLEMS YOU THINK CAPITALISM CAUSES YOU ARE ACTUALLY DESCRIBING CORPORATISM and I'm very much opposed to that. If someone says they own a whole river just because they said so and they try to enforce that through force they should be defended against with any force necessary.
So you see, your theoretical examples do not match reality and to not match the AnCap framework.
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It all boils down to this: You think I must do something and instead of trying to persuade me to do it voluntarily and accept a potential rejection you think you should be able to use violence in order to force me to do it no matter what I want.
Bottom line, that's what you advocate and have shit for brains of calling it good.
You know what you are? You are an evil stupid bully/thug and you can go fuck yourself.
That is your opinion and your entitled to it. You should refrain from personal insults. Quite unbecoming of a " Staff" member. This whole discussion where certain people advocate violence against peaceful people merely because they refuse to do something became unbecoming so I fail to see your point. |
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It all boils down to this: You think I must do something and instead of trying to persuade me to do it voluntarily and accept a potential rejection you think you should be able to use violence in order to force me to do it no matter what I want.
Bottom line, that's what you advocate and have shit for brains of calling it good.
You know what you are? You are an evil stupid bully/thug and you can go fuck yourself.
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That's a problem that would quickly solve itself. Those not being responsible with their lives (such as not buying insurance, not taking care of their health, and not saving money for retirement and emergencies) will very quickly find themselves as horrible cautionary examples for others, since there won't be a nanny state to take care of them. And those who are dodging the rules at other's expense will be quickly forced to pay for those expenses, since there won't be a complex lengthy legal thing to fight through, and those who do take responsibility for whom they associate with will avoid you.
+1 If there's one thing that WILL bug people about being in an AnCap state is that it will be a rather brutal existence for irresponsible idiots. The sight of someone dying of starvation because they failed to secure their own lives and are unwilling to do anything about it may be somewhat common  I doubt that very much since in an AnCap society there'd be many many people far better of then they are today and so they'd much more easily afford to contribute to charities which could address those who actually were less fortunate. |
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Property taxes are particularly offensive. Either I own the land, or I don't.
That is a perfect example of your fallacious "black-or-white" thinking. Clearly, your stubborn mental block causes you to be unable to recognise the overlap of sets drawn by self-ownership and community. Thus, you seem to conflate your concept of self-ownership with being a 'Sovereign' -- an absolute ruler to whom no law applies. It's either that or you are someone's slave. Logic. No, it is either you accept you have responsibilities or not. Logic. Having required & shared responsibilities does not equate slavery. I find that a very lazy attitude to take, communities require us all to share different responsibilities so they operate in a beneficial manner to everyone. Call it what you want, if I didn't agree to it, it's by definition slavery. |
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Can't wait for this. This is the missing bit in the Bitcoin puzzle for making it useful to the mainstream: ease of use coupled with impenetrable online security.
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Property taxes are particularly offensive. Either I own the land, or I don't.
That is a perfect example of your fallacious "black-or-white" thinking. Clearly, your stubborn mental block causes you to be unable to recognise the overlap of sets drawn by self-ownership and community. Thus, you seem to conflate your concept of self-ownership with being a 'Sovereign' -- an absolute ruler to whom no law applies. It's either that or you are someone's slave. Logic. |
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DannyHamilton.. if there's anyone who knew all that on this forum it's certainly kiba  His question was rhetorical.. |
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It's the type of article the we need: reporting on actual use cases where Bitcoin shines and people have no alternatives.
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I see intrinsic value in bitcoin quite clearly.
I agree with everything you said but the above quote disqualifies you from being a hardcore gold bug. A hardcore gold bug is really big on what he calls a tangible intrinsic value, just listen to James Turk in this interview to see what I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfzHC7Pf2fkBeing a gold bug and a Bitcoin bug is possible, being a hardcore gold bug and a Bitcoin bug on the other hand, at least by my definitions, is mutually exclusive. And if people like James ever decide to treat Bitcoin as money they will by my definition stop being hardcore gold bug and start being merely gold bugs. It's the whole reason why this thread's topic is "Bitcoin making inroads with the hardcore gold bugs?" and not "Bitcoin making inroads with the gold bugs?". |
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By blockexplorer.com's count there are 10,679,713 transactions, 21,808,789 inputs, 24,869,221 outputs, and 8,778,013 keys. 1,252,442,844.03996469 total bitcoins transferred. 1,571,400 BTC still in unspent generations before block 70,000.
Is that 1.517M that has never moved? Yep, out of 3.5M total minted in those 70,000 blocks. How reasonable do you think is it to assume that those are all lost? I mean if all the other 2M moved from those early blocks, why wouldn't the rest? Who likely owns them? Satoshi? |
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By blockexplorer.com's count there are 10,679,713 transactions, 21,808,789 inputs, 24,869,221 outputs, and 8,778,013 keys. 1,252,442,844.03996469 total bitcoins transferred. 1,571,400 BTC still in unspent generations before block 70,000.
Is that 1.517M that has never moved? |
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Ultraprune comes with 0.8.0 but there are already test builds that you can try out. I'm running one and it really is 10x faster.
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Piuk, any chance you get the time to address my post above? Thanks in advance!
Will do tomorrow. Much appreciated, thanks! |
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