Do you want/need two monitors or is this a mining rig?

If you want to do just mining, you could unplug one monitor and instead of
$aticonfig --initial

do a

$ sudo aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f

??

One adapter (GPU) should be assigned to display 0.0 and the next to 0.1 (screens 0 and 1 in xorg.conf).

It seems they are both assigned to the same adapter ... xorg is a pig that shouldn't really be used for assigning computational power of GPU but that is the way it is right now since they are historically graphics cards, not crunchers. Confusing it with trying to be clever graphics power and mining compute node is not the way to go.

If you can get something like the below in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, after turning off crossfire and running the "$aticonfig --initial --adapter=all -f" command you'll be in better shape. You must restart after running aticonfig also (only Xserver actually but just reboot for good measure).

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx
Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "aticonfig Layout"
        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
        Screen         "aticonfig-Screen[1]-0" RightOf "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
EndSection

Section "Module"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
        Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
        Option      "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
        Option      "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[1]-0"
        Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
        Option      "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
        Option      "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
        Driver      "fglrx"
        BusID       "PCI:3:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[1]-0"
        Driver      "fglrx"
        BusID       "PCI:4:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
        Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
        EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[1]-0"
        Device     "aticonfig-Device[1]-0"
        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[1]-0"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
        EndSubSection
EndSection

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in a terminal give it a
$export DISPLAY=:0
$./poclbm.py
and check that the Cypress chip is identified with adapters [1] and [2], these are your GPUs

now open a new terminal and give it a
$export DISPLAY=:0
$./poclbm.py [other options] -d1

and open yet another terminal and give it a
$export DISPLAY=:0
$./poclbm.py [other options] -d2

that should get both GPUs mining full tit, if that is the only thing you want ....


On the adapter you are suspect of, try running
$fgl_glxgears

so on the first screen
$export DISPLAY=:0.0
$fgl_glxgears

on the second screen
$export DISPLAY=:0.1
$fgl_glxgears

should give you some spinning gears things and a decent frame-rate ... you can go the whole hog and set up "phoronix-test-suite" and run "unigine-heaven" on just that GPU ... keep a eye on temperature when running these tests also
$watch -n1 aticonfig --odgt --adapter=all


$export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; aticonfig --pplib-cmd "get fanspeed 0 "
should return you the fan speed for the card
$export DISPLAY=:0.0 ; aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 64"

sets the fan speed to 64%

NB: anyone who has a second card the fan can found at display 0.2 (not display 0.1 !)
$export DISPLAY=:0.2 ; aticonfig --pplib-cmd "set fanspeed 0 64"

dacoinmaster: Good spotting.

By the same reasoning then, the average shares per block should spend as much time below current difficulty as above current difficulty, (unless there are some rogue shares diluting the pool). It is an area under the curve thing, yes?

I don't doubt your motives are good and genuine casacius. Interested to know why you think the current programmed inflation method is contributing to destabilising bitcoin valuations? Is there something you have noticed that can draw a link?

We can't "turn" bitcoin into anything, you may spin it as you wish. But you do not seem to understand the nature of money, fiat money, historic gold standard politics, hard money versus an out-of-control government (your friends).

When hard money comes back they will cease to exist in the most part because they no longer have to the power to expand uncontrollably without tax-payer say-so. They will hate bitcoin inherently no matter how you spin it. If you can convince them that bitcoin is good for govt., go ahead, it will be the greatest trojan horse attack in history.

Communism learnt the hard way that the free market for capital will not be denied, so will the soft-commie socialists currently infesting western mainstream politics. It will destroy them, whether you like it or not. Do you think all the turmoil in the West with the massive deficits, debts, political unrest is unrelated to the financial crises in capital markets? The great fiat money experiment is unravelling. I think the best favour you can do for your friends in govt. is to tell them to brush up on their skill-sets so they can find real jobs that produce stuff after the collapse of the fiat-money driven socialist orgy we are living through.

I wish you well, work bitcoin into govt. thinking but it is like asking turkeys to vote for thanksgiving.

What is their motivation to spend such amounts on hardware again?

They take down bitcoin, then what? Put 4000 5970's up for sale on Ebay? Doesn't make any sense.

Wrong.

Most progress IS made by great leaps forward ... the inch by inch stuff is just a story for the masses that there is "progress". More mainstream, socialist pablum. But that's fine, stick to your fairy tales and let the individualist, free thinkers sort our your money problems, but there will be a fee involved.

Order of magnitude is about right ... 30,000 GPU cores ... maybe knock some off for auxiliary device power consumption, cooling, lights, coffee maker.
I'd say 20-25K GPU cores puts them double anything else out there in total hardware cores which is a good feel for where the nuts 'n bolts bleeding edge is at, so yeah maybe 6-7 THash/sec.... sounds like a good factor of safety target for bitcoin network.

Yeah, yeah, we've all heard this "go along to get along" BS all our life, it's not like it is anything new.

The next thing you know you'll be advocating for a new gubmint agency to have oversight powers of the bitcoin OSS development standards, wouldn't that just be boon for all you mainstreamists, it would be the ultimate stamp of approval for those that need "official" affirmation before taking a pee ... then what?, back to square one, vested interests co-opting the agency that has the reins of power, you could make your bitcoin agency a branch of fed. res., is that 'official' enough for ya?

At some point you've got to show some spine and say which side you are on. If you go along to get along you are putting your stamp of approval on everything the State does in your name, the blood is on your hands. The crimes are too great and obvious now, you can no longer just pay your taxes and close your eyes, their sins are your sins once you have knowledge and acquiesce. Politics and money are intertwined, no third way sorry ... free money or socialist crimes against humanity?

I think the point was that your real-world is not the same as anyone elses real-world, and why should it be?

If you mean mainstream, well that changes, gold coin and slavery were once mainstream. Placing the current norms of one nation, or some might say failing state, as strictures on the success of bitcoins seems a little naive. The black economy is huge, even legitimate govt.s jealously vie for a share of the money that goes through it, why should bitcoin shun it?

Fed. Res. has shareholders who are the big money center banks. It is more like a cartel of private banking interests that have a patina of govt. respectability given to them with these "oversight" BS.

Can you ever imagine a Fed. Res. chairman being appointed that was on the side of the people and not the banks owners

It's a private banking cartel, get over it.

From experience, the answer to that is never. E.g. the US dollar is the biggest reserve currency the globe has ever known and by some accounts it has just gone through, or is going through, a speculative bubble blow-off phase with reserve banks all heavily invested in US dollar denominated assets that they are beginning to unload on. Gold is the next biggest, depending on how you do the valuations, and more stable but has been subject to periodic manipulations and manias also.

Currency failure risk is always there, however remote, because humans' value systems can be extremely stable or extremely fickle.

The NSA has without a doubt the biggest integer machine(s) on the planet but their hash power is classified.

If you could get a peek at their electricity bill it maybe possible to get a conservative order of magnitude idea of hash power using 5970 type Hash/Watt ratios.

... I think you forget paedophilia and drugs. Yout analogy with open-source arguments haven't considered that the current monetary system is broken and thrashing about in its death throes and destroying large parts of civilised society as it goes. Puts a different slant on the whole ... "we can work with the current power-brokers" line of thinking I'd say. If they resist bitcoin as fervently as they have resisted the move back towards gold and silver there maybe more than just a few dirty tricks.

The subject title for this thread should have been "Government versus Bitcoin".

Would someone mind specifying the 'max block size' limitation is tight, well-defined systematic way? Is there a link to the problem definition, e.g. bug report?

I'm getting the gist of it only through the passing comments but hard to get a grasp on the complete animal that way.

I'm not sure what to think about this early adopters guilt, remorse thing we got going on around here .... it truly stands in stark contrast to the antics of the banksters who have just bust existing fiat monetary systems and lined straight up at the tax-payer trough to draw bonuses from the dosh that was fire-hosed over them to prop up their failed enterprises. they were waving notes out the window to protesters in London, they have no shame, remorse, regret just entitlement.

Think of big money center banks as being the early adopters of fiat currency, they get access to cheaper money from e.g., the Fed. Res., than everybody else. It is why fiat/fractional reserve banking is such a racket, and a rigged game, that shovels wealth around in an unfair, undeserved, inefficient manner. They are a parasitical force that are a drag on society, causing progress and net wealth creation to be sub-optimal, call it sub-prime if you like. This is a broken, dysfunctional monetary system that the market is puking up.

Now contrast this with a group of basically technologists who have come up with a clearing system that performs this wealth-transfer, price-discovery payment-clearing, etc  function of money in a more efficient and we hope robust manner. Do you think the banksters would be trying to figure out a way of building into the system something that does them out of the benefit from being an early adopter?

You could just go and donate whole chunk of BTC to bitcoin faucet so that later adopters get a bigger slice to play with, or start up your own faucet that will dosh out even more in increasing amounts to later adopters ... I know how well that will go.

At present, the system is working and providing incentives in the right places for it to grow, quite rapidly in the bigger scheme. Supplementary businesses are springing up so that you can cash in and out of the bitcoin economy, if you cash out now to pay for something real, boat, car, land, shares that will put more into BTC circulation for the current adopters in the way of cheaper BTC. Money flows where it is needs to in an unfettered free market, amazingly efficiently as scholars have noted for centuries.

I say, be thankful that you are alive in such an "interesting time" where dangers and opportunities abound. Great fortunes are being made and lost, the wealth power is shifting ... and just don't forget that you can't take your BTC with you. They are just a nice token that are of this world but a great idea to leave behind for future generations who were staring down the bankster's barrel of indebted servitude for decades, imho.

(Posted on other thread first but more pertinent here).


Current coins in circulation 5.7mill, average 24hr transactions around 200-250K ... or about 1500BTC per block.
http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/
with current exchange rates to "real world" monies that people use to buy mining gear and electricity with it is currently profitable on 50 BTC per block.

So extrapolating out to 21mill BTC in circulation, with similar money velocity as now, is about 800-850K per 24hr, or about 5700 BTC per block on a rolling average. Interestingly, if you assume a sensible round number average fee of 1% you get 57BTC per block for fees in the mature bitcoin economy .... hmmmm.

Recall that due to the deflationary nature of the beast, and the divisibility (2.1e15 satoshis), 800K BTC per day in transactions could represent the combined wealth transfers and economic activity of who knows how many millions of people. So that even a 0.01% average fee (6BTC per block) may easily incentivise quite substantial future mining rigs.

Haven't read every post but some numbers I've been watching and pondering separately may add to the discussion:

Current coins in circulation 5.7mill, average 24hr transactions around 200-250K ... or about 1500BTC per block.
http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/
with current exchange rates to "real world" monies that people use to buy mining gear and electricity with it is currently profitable on 50 BTC per block.

So extrapolating out to 21mill BTC in circulation, with similar money velocity as now, is about 800-850K per 24hr, or about 5700 BTC per block on a rolling average. Interestingly, if you assume a sensible round number average fee of 1% you get 57BTC per block for fees in the mature bitcoin economy .... hmmmm.

Recall that due to the deflationary nature of the beast, and the divisibility (2.1e15 satoshis), 800K BTC per day in transactions could represent the combined wealth transfers and economic activity of who knows how many millions of people. So that even a 0.01% average fee (6BTC per block) may easily incentivise quite substantial future mining rigs.

This, in my opinion is the very near future killer app. for bitcoin. A network of small to medium local exchange agents competing for a share of the international money transfer business.

Call it a Man Bag ... and people will throw it away!

That is today, read up on the history of it ... they have become part of the globalist bankster takeover like so many other countries.