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7861  Economy / Marketplace / Re: SkepsiDyne Integrated Node - A Bitcoin Mining Company on: May 15, 2011, 11:35:54 AM
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In a standard business that is worth at least $50/hour.

Researcher/designer for GPU cluster design and operation for $50/hr .... can you reference that?  Contract or salary, if salaried add in extras to the package.
7862  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: When will the first house fire caused by bitcoin happen ? on: May 15, 2011, 08:16:21 AM

Use the PCIe power-bypass ribbon extension to avoid frying your mobo ...
7863  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to call 0.001 BTC? (5 BTC Bounty) on: May 15, 2011, 08:13:52 AM

1 satoshi  =  1e-9 BTC (since it/he doesn't really exist)

0.001 BTC = 1e-3 BTC  = = 1 millibitcoin  =  1 million satoshi  = 1 mill


I propose "1 mill"


we can have two camps one going to the left of the decimal, the other to the right and things can be thoroughly confused (and conflict with abbreviated millilitres and milligrams) but they will both agree on the mill.

7864  Economy / Economics / Re: 1 BTC = 20 USD on: May 15, 2011, 01:34:07 AM
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So yeah, it's not going to be exact, and have a huge margin of error.  But to invest serious money into something, putting in *some* effort is better than hoping and praying.

Agreed.

Okay, so you have a range of outcome scenarios and estimated a likelihood (probablity) of each of those occurring (with a pessimistic/conservative bias). Sounds like a good starting point and a worthwhile exercise. What about you put up the range of values of probabilities and we'll have something to discuss ... (yes I'm bored) ... to your benefit we may collectively come up with a better estimate on the likelihood probabilities than you on your own ....

... we'll can call it the "pizza guy analysis", after the guy who delivered 2 pizzas for 10,000 BTC (maybe he did a similar thought process).
7865  Economy / Economics / Re: 1 BTC = 20 USD on: May 15, 2011, 12:57:05 AM
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I actually did some calculations and based on fundamentals and future values, I put a fundamental value at about $5/BTC.

Care to elucidate us on what those "fundamentals" may be?

Besides, "I just pulled this figure out of my backside and it seems about right."? (as fundamental as that is doesn't make it believable. Anybody who believes they have a fundamental way to value bitcoins is in la-la land. There are just impossibly many variables involved.
7866  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Currency Fair on: May 14, 2011, 10:28:45 PM
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Opening an account with CurrencyFair requires that you provide full verifiable ID.

 ... there's the rub. You got Big Brother's money and then you got bitcoin. .... BB's money costs too much.

CurrencyFair is a perfectly legit method of converting and moving cash between any major currencies/countries, so what’s the problem assuming the cash is not from illegal sources?


You've got nothing to fear, if you've got nothing to hide ..... ?

The problem is, it's a sucky statist attitude .... no ID, no ticky, we may as well live in communist China, Soviet Socialist Russia or Nazi Germany.
7867  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Currency Fair on: May 14, 2011, 09:36:39 PM
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Opening an account with CurrencyFair requires that you provide full verifiable ID.

 ... there's the rub. You got Big Brother's money and then you got bitcoin. .... BB's money costs too much.
7868  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty 20 BTC: Wi-Fi Hotspot, enabled by bitcoin on: May 14, 2011, 11:28:26 AM

Just give the prospective client splash page access only to his Instawallet and an address to send the coins to .... Huh

https://www.instawallet.org

7869  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Facebook game using bitcoins on: May 14, 2011, 11:24:09 AM

dystopian grand theft auto where bitcoins are the underworld currency of choice?
7870  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~600 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks! on: May 14, 2011, 11:20:37 AM
btw. why does the site say my avg speed in last 7 mins is for ex. 50 mh/s when my poclbm is mining constantly at 94-95 mh/s ?

most likely because you are an unlucky bastard miner ... for now.

 Lips sealed

can you explain it a bit closer? As you see im new to all this mining stuff, I just wanna know if I am doing smth wrong or do I have any influence on my avg speed displayed on the site. I just thought it will be the same both in the app and the site.
avg. speed is estimated by the number of shares you submit during that time, and that can vary quite a bit.
This piece of data brings more questions than it answers and I think it could (should) be removed.

I think you can extend the averaging period so that the variance is averaged out and it reflects more closely to what you see on your machine. But what you see on your machine is an instantaneous reading anyway and does not take into account time to submit shares, stales, etc.
7871  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [RFC] New TX fee: 0.0005 BTC on: May 14, 2011, 11:10:45 AM

Small note here. Relating hashing power and transaction costs in BTC, i.e., MHash per BTC and MBytes per BTC might be introducing unnecessary confusion.

These costs, hash power and transactions, are actually more closely fixed in other currency units (for now) and with rapidly changing valuations e.g., BTC/U$, fixing those computational costs in BTC is always going to create moving targets for the 'relevant' size of fees.
7872  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [~600 Gh/s Mining Pool] INSTANT PAYOUT,+1% with LP! +0.8% for no failed blocks! on: May 14, 2011, 09:54:59 AM
btw. why does the site say my avg speed in last 7 mins is for ex. 50 mh/s when my poclbm is mining constantly at 94-95 mh/s ?

most likely because you are an unlucky bastard miner ... for now.
7873  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: YouTube Video: Bitcoin Mining: Three Months Later on: May 14, 2011, 03:34:10 AM
But you would have faced the exact same uncertainty and risk as you would if you contemplate buying $1000 worth of BTC today.

that is oversimplifying and incorrect, in my opinion

the demand might have come from early adopters.  now that they've gobbled up theirs, will growth stall without another group who are nearly as eager?

... the demand for digital money that is easy, near zero cost, to transfer, limited in issuance and pseudo-anonymous is difficult to estimate.

However, let's just say that there are more than 100,000 people on the planet of 7 billion that might like to use this .... run the numbers, the current exponential growth could go on for a long, long time ... us here now could be considered the "early adopters" after another 18 months of exponential growth ... it's difficult to get your head around the potential size of the shift in wealth/money perceptions that is possible, for anybody.

Life of its own now, enjoy the ride.
7874  Economy / Economics / Re: Hey you, with the bitcoins, mind the bubble. on: May 14, 2011, 02:59:32 AM
According to Alexa, the highest counted age range is 25-34 for bitcoin.org, and we have a higher than average representation of people who went to graduate school. I'd hardly say that the main audience here is idealist teenagers.

Hey, if your were going into a war. Adult males, with high degree of technical training, aged between 25-34, i.e. good amount of work experience, is where I would draw be drawing my military reserves from ... these are the backbone of modern economy, they are who brings home the real bacon, they produce the stuff society actually needs ... right now it is monetary information technology.

Banksters, accountants, lawyers, lobbyists, administrators, public relations and all the other sundry parasitical and bullshit-artists can go blow for all I care. Technology has a way of catching up with, and purging such inefficiencies eventually.

To the victor, go the spoils.

Oh yeah, we get to write our own history too.
7875  Economy / Economics / Re: Maximum value of a single bitcoin on: May 14, 2011, 02:46:11 AM

These are interesting mind exercises ... I do them all the time to keep the grey matter clicking. Smiley

But think of the wider ramifications. Imagine all those people currently sitting on hundreds of millions and billions of dollars of wealth, Buffet, Gates, Ellison, bankster CEO's, the Paris Hiltons, old money families, Tiger Woods, Mark Zuckerberg, etc ... there are quite a few but not innumerable, for guestimates sake lets say around 200,000 people who control 90% of global wealth or something like that.

Now, imagine if bitcoin become the new denomination of wealth. Suddenly we have world turned upside down where the new holders of big wealth are cyperpunks, linux hardware nerds, extreme gamer college students and various other programming geeks, libertarian anarchists and etc who got in early. Even a few tens of bitcoins could represent a massive holding under the new system.

And that other former ruling elites are suddenly grasping at straws trying to get into bitcoin at any cost as they see their power evaporating away in the collapse of the old discredited monetary system.
7876  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: BTCMine - mining pool (zero fee, long polling, JSON API) on: May 14, 2011, 02:31:16 AM

Wow, 115 GHash/s ... and having a great run today. Weekends on BTCMine just seem to go better.
7877  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How is the current market state NOT a bubble? on: May 14, 2011, 12:37:38 AM
Bitcoin is behaving not like a stock, but somewhat more like a bond. In fact, it is behaving exactly like a newly introduced form of cash (which it supposedly can be used as).

In a word, it is monetising.

This means that the premium the market is placing upon its value, above its production costs (mining costs), has become a function of how the market can use that commodity (bitcoin) to perform the usual functions of money. Medium of exchange, store of value, etc.

It cannot be a bubble until it pops. If bitcoin remains good as money after the initial monetisation phase there is no reason to suppose that it will no longer perform the functions of money and lose that premium that is giving its seemingly unbelievable gains in value.

You need to understand the dynamics of monetisation before you understand the dynamics of the market for bitcoin.

There are very few case studies for this occurrence in the monetary history. It is an entirely new form of free-market private (i.e. non government) money being introduced through an ingenius invention. We are in uncharted territory.

Monetisation.
7878  Economy / Economics / Re: How can Bitcoin be used to promote ethnic diversity? on: May 13, 2011, 10:44:03 PM

A universal currency, particularly one that is easy to transfer between nations, will do much to level the playing field of economic disparity. Much of it has been maintained by vested interests who manage national currencies. Just think you easily see how much it really costs to glue those Nike shoes together in any country in the world.

Comparative advantage will kick in with an unimaginable viciousness.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_advantage

It also raises interesting questions about where on earth all the bitcoin reserves will pile up over time, like the current situation with T-bonds in China.
7879  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: May 13, 2011, 02:15:08 AM
We reached 6$. I give up trying to predict this market. It’s pure insanity. Grin

why, that's easy: longterm RALLY until 1 BTC = <value of world economy/> / 21,000,000


So I guess when we hit 2.6M USD/BTC I should sell some, eh?
For what?

bitcoin2.0
7880  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Stop building mining rigs people!!!!! on: May 13, 2011, 01:37:27 AM
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If things get to that point, I expect that state will not be very concerned with retaining its image of legitimacy any more.

What bothers me is that bitcoin maybe the defining catalyst for the state to have its "crossing the Rubicon moment", shed any pretense of legitimacy and go completely feral.

After that, she's all on, as far as I'm concerned, with us or against times. And a bunch of computer enthusiasts are on the front-line of much nastiness, how sad would that be?
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