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7621  Economy / Economics / Re: The Ultimatum Game on: May 31, 2011, 10:33:54 PM

Write a HowTo or show them a tutorial video?
7622  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Return of Mystery Miner? on: May 31, 2011, 04:23:02 PM
check out this diagramm: http://bitcoin.atspace.com/mysteryminer.html
I just found it with google. probably from Raulo. I will pm him to explain how he gets the data.

very interesting. at ~400GHash/s it was more then half the network power for a short time.

Yes, it was. The graph was made by analyzing activity for this wallet
http://blockexplorer.com/a/ALEwEXxVGo


Follow the trail and see here it all sits .... 49,000 BTC

http://blockexplorer.com/address/1JYdudjausg1VUzosifETZbuLAevyPgnza

some days in late Feb. early March he was getting easily 50% .... what about those early adopters eh?

Wonder what he had access to? Server farm, botnet, super-computer, render farm? ... the way the block rewards are collated into chunks may reveal something.
7623  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO on: May 31, 2011, 11:38:55 AM
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If this is a dedicated mining rig, here's a tip: if you do have integrated mobo  AMD graphics, you can use that to drive the monitor (assuming you aren't in headless mode) i.e. make the integrated graphics the default adapter for xorg and then the GPU's will work better for dedicated mining ... the GPU that would have been attached to the monitor screen would have been getting fairly frequent xorg calls and interruptions.

Makes sense, thanks. Weighing whether I want to expend the effort (and accept the risk) just to pick up a few MHash/sec.

Yeah, if onboard graphics is nvidia don't do it .... mostly it is for system stability if you are Ocling the mining GPUs a lot ... you can lose many MHash when system freezing all the time.
7624  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO on: May 31, 2011, 10:56:05 AM
I can verify the instructions work for 2.4/69xx cards too. I have a 6850 and a 6970 that are running phoenix now on 64-bit Ubuntu. I just needed to substitute 2.4 APP SDK here:

http://developer.amd.com/sdks/AMDAPPSDK/downloads/Pages/default.aspx#one

for the 2.1 Stream SDK that's in the instructions. And use the icd-registration.tgz that comes with it instead of the one in the instructions. Of course that ripples through to the /opt paths so that they are /opt/AMD-APP-SDK-v2.4-lnx?? instead of /opt/ATI-STREAM-SDK-v2.1-lnx??.

I had a few quirks, like the wget failed for me; stopped downloading before it had the whole file (stopped after only a few KB, instead of all 70-some MB) so I just downloaded from the APP SDK page in firefox and copied it.

One minor thing: When it says:

Code:
cd poclbm
./poclbm

I think it means
Code:
cd poclbm
./poclbm.py

Which works for me.

And in case other newbies are setting up machines: I had a trouble getting Ubuntu installed. Installer would fail. I finally stumbled on disabling the integrated video on the motherboard, and putting in one of the ATI cards. Then it installed, but graphics were hosed on booting to where you couldn't log in. So hitting escape before boot brings up the grub menu where you can select a low-graphics boot. Then once logged in, I saw the package for proprietary ATI drivers on the software manager. Installed those and then it was fine, and I proceeded as described above.

Been almost a decade since I used a bash shell in linux, but it's coming back.


If this is a dedicated mining rig, here's a tip: if you do have integrated mobo  AMD graphics, you can use that to drive the monitor (assuming you aren't in headless mode) i.e. make the integrated graphics the default adapter for xorg and then the GPU's will work better for dedicated mining ... the GPU that would have been attached to the monitor screen would have been getting fairly frequent xorg calls and interruptions.
7625  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Strong solution, weak solution "attack" on: May 31, 2011, 09:28:05 AM
When two successor blocks B1 and B2 are generated simultaneously for a single block A, part of the network will receive B1 first, and another part B2. Both will assume the one they saw first will win, and work with that. However, if B1 is extended first with a successor block C, while B2 isn't extended yet, all nodes that were working with B2 will realize the chain containing B1 is better now (as it longer, not because they individual blocks in it are better), and switch to A->B1->C as best chain.

Ah, thanks.
7626  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin on: May 31, 2011, 09:25:12 AM
i did try this a bit but there is no UI  Angry

In the beginning, there was the command line interface ....
7627  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Strong solution, weak solution "attack" on: May 31, 2011, 09:19:15 AM
Blocks count proportional to their difficulty, i.e. the fraction of the target they had to beat - not the actual fraction of it they reached.

There is no way to have a better solution for a given block when one is already created, as the difficulty is fixed.

Only when doing a multi-block attack crossing a retarget boundary (height multiple of 2016), one can influence the effect of the retarget, and thereby the difficulty.

Hmmm, okay I must not understand the orphanning process can you elaborate on that?

 How does a block get orphaned if there is no such thing as a "better" solution?
7628  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Strong solution, weak solution - orphanned block process on: May 31, 2011, 09:08:39 AM
Just wondering if there is an opening for the following type of questionable behaviour on the network.

A large miner with an incentive to collect as many solution blocks as possible has a program running to filter their block solutions outputs.

A weak solution is broadcast immediately to the network to earn the rewards, however if a sufficiently strong solution is found it is withheld until a competing node broadcasts an inferior solution. At this point, the miner then broadcasts their strong solution confident it will be accepted across the network and the weaker competing solution will be orphaned.

In this way, the large miner is effectively reducing the power of the competition on the rest of the network and thus keeping more of the rewards for themselves. Anything to stop this?
7629  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Venture Capital is Launching, Here is my explanation of why I'm involved on: May 31, 2011, 04:13:57 AM

Your BTC venture capital may be a good idea.

But your notions about liquidity freezes and how btc will be/might be used are all wrong. Probably best if you kept that to yourself if you want to be taken seriously. BTC could take over the monetary role of gold in the banking system (i.e. exclude jewellery, electronics, etc) and do nothing else to be massively successful, and not 1 in 1000 people would even trade it.


A single use metaphor for bitcoin will exclude others from participating. Anyone who thinks less participation is going to make bitcoin more robust is ridiculously optimistic. Anyone who thinks less participation will make it survive the attacks on it, from those threatened by it, has not paid attention to the events of the last ten years.

Unless bitcoin makes to soccer momcoin status, it will not survive attacks, legal or in the network.

Now why anyone would choose to support a currency that excludes other uses by those who are interested in it is beyond me.

Not sure exactly what you are arguing (incoherently) here, but you seem to have wrongly assumed that I was advocating for exclusive use of bitcoin. Read carefully what I said, bitcoin doesn't NEED widespread adoption to prevent "liquidity freezes" or whatever the hell this guy is blathering on about ... I said nothing about it GETTING widespread adoption, if so, all the better.

Sounds to me like he may be wanting to "unfreeze" some of your capital so that it becomes his capital.
7630  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Return of Mystery Miner? on: May 31, 2011, 02:42:38 AM
I wrote a script to use Ufasoft's miner silently in the background only when no user was logged into a PC (state=Inactive).

I'm a network admin for about 2,000 PCs. I wouldn't run it on them, but I verified I was getting 10 MH/sec for the model we currently use. So yes, I think if someone had 10k PCs and could pull 10 MH/sec on each or push out the latest ATI drivers to the machines that had video cards for a university lab you could see this happening pretty quickly.

I would like to imagine the maintenance guys at universities and other public institutions would catch on to this sort of thing, though. In a corporate environment I would imagine it would be nearly impossible to do.

That being said, I could imagine a lot of gaming studios with high-end PCs maybe having some sys admins pitching the idea of running a Bitcoin network to their bosses.

Yes, and rendering farms. Animation studios and ancillaries have large GPU resources ... not sure if they Nvidia based or ATI. Although they probably keep them pretty busy making flics.
7631  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Looking for partners with 10000+ BTC on: May 31, 2011, 02:22:13 AM

I'm looking for partners with >10,000 BTC also .....


if you have an excess point them my way.
7632  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bitcoin Venture Capital is Launching, Here is my explanation of why I'm involved on: May 31, 2011, 02:10:28 AM

Your BTC venture capital may be a good idea.

But your notions about liquidity freezes and how btc will be/might be used are all wrong. Probably best if you kept that to yourself if you want to be taken seriously. BTC could take over the monetary role of gold in the banking system (i.e. exclude jewellery, electronics, etc) and do nothing else to be massively successful, and not 1 in 1000 people would even trade it.
7633  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: FOR SALE: PCIe 1x & 16x Extender Cables, Mining Chassis & GPU Dummy Plugs on: May 31, 2011, 01:56:24 AM
So using 2 power supplies with these is a no go?

Do you have trouble reading dude?
7634  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin on: May 31, 2011, 12:20:55 AM
Are we getting more than usual orphan blocks on the namecoin network?

What is a usual rate that is expected?

What is best way to reduce these? More connections between peers? More difficulty?
7635  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO on: May 30, 2011, 11:17:24 PM
Hey does anyone know how to solve this:

I got a 5850, by afox, cuz my dad works for that company.
However, when I try to overclock it using the aticonfig --od-setclock=800, 1100 --adapter=3 (Which is max)
Nothing happens. I use aticonfig --odgc --adapter=all to show the clock speeds and it says current clocks : 725, 1000. Current peak : 800, 1100.
So...the peak changed but the current clock isn't changing. I used AMDOverdriveCtrl, and the "high" profile is indeed 800mhz, but it's not going there. Clicking "set" doesn't do anything either...

Help!?! Do I need to flash the bios?

Ask your dad?
7636  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: FOR SALE: PCIe 1x & 16x Extender Cables, Mining Chassis & GPU Dummy Plugs on: May 30, 2011, 11:02:21 PM
why are these cables so expensive? Is it any different from this $4 cable? (http://cgi.ebay.com/PCI-E-1X-Riser-Card-PCI-Express-Ribbon-Extender-Cable-/180673151583?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a10f5825f) and any idea why it costs $2.7 extra to cut the side of a pci-e extender?

Plug 'n play ... and the guy obviously knows what he's doing.
7637  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The mandatory fee is too big for microtransactions on: May 30, 2011, 10:14:26 PM

Toss him a namecoin or two ...
7638  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ATI underclocking memory under linux? on: May 30, 2011, 12:15:45 PM
https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=4806.0

The answer is in this thread, post # 8.

After using AMD Overdrive Ctrl the cores are more prone to freezing when going hard out mining ... I've found, I stopped using it and freezing up went away. Do this ...

Code:
$aticonfig --od-enable 

Run "ATI Overclocking Utility" once from the CLI to set your range of peak speeds (move mem. slider to 300)
Code:
./atioc_x86_64

Exit from atioc, you'll probably see fan errors if using multiple cards, give it ^C in the terminal to really kill it.

Use the CLI
Code:
$aticonfig --adapter=all --od-setclocks=790,300
$aticonfig --adapter=all --odcc

to set the clock speeds and you should have stable performance over days if not weeks.
7639  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: First quantum computer sold on: May 30, 2011, 10:11:58 AM

Me too ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8545096/Lockheed-Martin-computers-under-significant-attack.html

Lockheed Martin, the Pentagon's biggest IT and arms supplier, has thwarted a "significant and tenacious attack" on its computer network, it emerged yesterday.

Yesterday however Lockheed was still working to restore employee access to its networks, and the experts from the Department Homeland Security and the Pentagon were trying to determine the extent of the data breach.
7640  Economy / Economics / Re: Change the rules of Bitcoin money supply to fix the price stability issue! on: May 30, 2011, 06:42:30 AM
"PaulDonelly" is probably yet another troll. Posts one post about bitcoins "price stability issues" and disappears.

We are averaging these at about 2-3 times per week or more.
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