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7681  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: New cheat-proof mining pool scoring method on: May 27, 2011, 10:55:58 PM
Don't want to butt in here guys but how does this bit work?

Quote
update share set score=ln(exp((max-score)*(p2/p1)))?

Isn't that like doing sin(asin(f(x))) or a cos(acos(X)) ... or is it to round the numerical approximation off or some such?
7682  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price increases are just getting started on: May 27, 2011, 10:43:41 PM

There is already at least one competing blockchain, namecoin.

Ostensibly, it is for providing a distributed database for DNS (domain name serving) name registration but as it a bitcoin clone (very little has been altered of the transaction behaviour of the code) then namecoins can be traded in much the same ways as bitcoins. The blockchain is 6690 odd blocks long and network difficulty is 1290. No gui client but namecoins can be traded using the CLI with namecoind.

Namecoin is to bitcoin somewhat as silver is to gold, since namecoin has more practical applications and uses (like silver) but can also be stored and traded like bitcoin, but is not purely for that purpose like bitcoin.

There may be other covert blockchains already in existence that will be revealed when the time is right ...
7683  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I think bitcoin is a great idea but my friend doesn't on: May 27, 2011, 10:05:29 PM
The exchange fees can really be thought as as a "Buy-In" fee.
There are no obligations to pay any fees once you have actually obtained your BTC.

It's the same with all currency mind-you, just go on holiday and suffer the great FX fees!

Actually, the exchange fess are mostly generated by electronically "cashing out" of the fiat casino system. They don't like people leaving and throw up all kinds of road blocks (as does any other monopoly), that is what creates the fees mostly, as overheads due to cashing out costs incurred by the exchanges is passed on.

For example, if you find a trustworthy local person to trade cash for bitcoins the overheads and thus costs incurred by the transfer can be minimal.
7684  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: FPGA mining for fun and profit on: May 27, 2011, 09:57:30 PM

ArtForz is to mining as Satoshi Nakamoto is to software.

The guy is a legend, does he really exist? Cheesy

Next thing you know there'll be a rumour that he whipped a fab. room in his backyard from old tractor parts and TV sets to pump out ASICs!
7685  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Top500 Supercomputers on: May 27, 2011, 09:48:02 PM
The funny thing is that FLOPS means floating point operations (per second) and SHA256 computations (the core Bitcoin hashing algorithm) take exactly 0 (zero) floating point ops as they consist of integer and bitwise ops only. Besides floating point operations are usually slower than integer and logical ones.

Bottom line is - measuring Bitcoin performance in FLOPS is wrong! Smiley

Sure, measuring bitcoin performance hashing performance in flops is wrong, but what we want to know is what the flops of the computers in the bitcoin network would be if they were doing something that required floating point operations?  Maybe there's just no way to know, but that's the question, I think.

Well, I think you've got that backwards. The question is, in terms of "strength" of the network it is more important to know what the hash power of the competition could likely be, rather knowing the flop power of our network .... i.e. they are not going to attack us with flops but hashes.

So the flops-equivalent of BTC network number should properly be converted into a hash-equivalent of a possible attacker ... but I think people are mostly too lazy to bother doing that so just do it backwards and think forwards, if you know what I mean.
7686  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USA Banking Giants announce new bitcoin like money transfer service clearXchange on: May 27, 2011, 09:39:15 PM

Yes, the centralised control and surveillance of your wallet, account, money is the archilles heel of all these systems ... no matter how "convenient" they appear. Bitcoin does most of this already as beta AND it is largely under your control.
7687  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Gavin will visit the CIA on: May 27, 2011, 09:35:01 PM

I wonder what the sys admin. think about opening up 8333 for Gavin's live demo of bitcoin software?
7688  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Pizza for bitcoins? on: May 27, 2011, 02:10:40 PM
I want to confess my own little "pizza for a million" moment. Back in late march 2010, I traded well over a thousand bitcoins through New Liberty Standard for about six dollars in my PayPal account. Five of which I then used to purchase Second Life money.

I donated 8000 coins to the weusecoins movie bounty when they were worth .06  Smiley




.... that was one a helluva movie .....
7689  Economy / Economics / Nobel economist Krugman on bitcoin and crypto-currencies. on: May 27, 2011, 02:06:10 PM

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7690  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I think bitcoin is a great idea but my friend doesn't on: May 27, 2011, 02:56:03 AM

Choose your friends wisely?
7691  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USA Banking Giants announce new bitcoin like money transfer service clearXchange on: May 26, 2011, 11:15:14 PM
Bitcoin does not need the US banking market ... in fact it needs to engage with US banking like it needs a hole in the head .... the US system is a dinosaur kludge built on top of a paper currency that was once backed by gold. It's dying, get out while you still can before its grasping hands drag you down with it.

Edit:Immune Bitcoin is currency that is growing in value ... is clearXchanged the same thing as that .... explain that to anyone old, young or otherwise ... it is a new money and they'll "get it".
7692  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Top500 Supercomputers on: May 26, 2011, 10:24:31 PM
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Combined total of Top500 supercomputers is 43673 Tflops
http://www.top500.org/lists/2010/11/performance_development

Are we there yet?
7693  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Satoshi's spare change? on: May 26, 2011, 01:04:11 PM
kjj, shackra, minute_of_angle, amincd, Shortline, allinvain, Quantumplation,

I don't feel the need to show each of you the risk that mcdett, syn, and I seem to agree about.  I accept that people have different world views, and diversity is great.  Of course, I do enjoy meeting someone who thinks like me.  If that's not you, no problem!  Maybe we have something else in common, like biking or chocolate!  Maybe not!

In brief: BTC has value, as judged by the market.  Some of its value derives from some people's belief that BTC may one day dominate world trade, largely replacing USD and the rest.  Some of us (apparently a minority--but that's okay!) value BTC less than if those early blocks had been generated at higher difficulty and/or appeared to be in circulation.  In our global, industrial culture, money can be leveraged into power (and often back into more money).  Some of us might want to implement the bitcoin concept with a chain other than BTC and see that chain compete with BTC.  I see no principled objection to this.  You are all free to ignore us if we actually do it.


Or if you alternate BTC is gonna be really great I'll be buying with both fists .... I don't see what this big objection to the "early adopters" is all about. The forum archives are full of all the evidence you need that this wasn't some masterful conspiracy to accumulate great wealth and power .... basically nobody wanted the stuff 18 months ago and before that hardly anybody had heard about it, let alone assumed it was a road to riches ... go read the posts for yourself ... begin with the 10,000 BTC for 2 pizzas. How's that for a conspiratorial early adopter?
7694  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: USA Banking Giants announce new bitcoin like money transfer service clearXchange on: May 26, 2011, 10:07:58 AM
How are they going to get around all the KYC BS they have set-up to stop competition?

Talk about transparent, this technology has been available for 15 years and they just decide to do it now?

I suppose it just funny money they are playing with so who cares what they do with it?  Wink

Edit: on the plus side it should make it easier for people to escape the other system into bitcoin ... just a click away.
7695  Economy / Economics / Re: American Exchange - Why are we afraid? on: May 26, 2011, 09:16:53 AM

The corruption is so thick you can cut it with a knife ... and you'd be blind not to see it.

USA has become a cesspit for the thieves in Washington and their paymasters.

Bitcoin begone ... ban hammering themselves into oblivion with prudish corruption.
7696  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO on: May 26, 2011, 09:07:24 AM
It never did start. I edited the xorg.conf to remove the last buid statement, and the xserver came up at once.

But, like before only a single Cayman device is seen by poclbm.

From what you are saying you are removing only the BusID line ...

remove the whole sections ... "Monitor" "Device" "Screen" ... that do not belong to getting the default display up. After you get that up and stable you can build on it ... the other crap is just confusing it since you have heaps of graphic adapters and no monitors .... just get ONE screen working.
7697  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Cooperative mining (450Ghash/s) on: May 26, 2011, 08:59:45 AM
The slower miners will get their shares in the next round. "Sweet spot" is a myth.

Amen.

As long as that "next round" comes along before the next difficulty increase ... get over it ... fast rounds introduce new variance for small miners in huge pools.
7698  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Ubuntu Natty Narwhal 11.04 Mining Guide / HOWTO on: May 26, 2011, 08:57:51 AM
Correction, all Busid removed except the 1st, device "PCI:19:0:0"

Okay make exactly this (nothing else) this your new /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Code:
Section "ServerLayout"
        Identifier     "aticonfig Layout"
        Screen      0  "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" 0 0
EndSection

Section "Module"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
        Identifier   "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
        Option      "VendorName" "ATI Proprietary Driver"
        Option      "ModelName" "Generic Autodetecting Monitor"
        Option      "DPMS" "true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
        Identifier  "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
        Driver      "fglrx"
        BusID       "PCI:19:0:0"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
        Identifier "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0"
        Device     "aticonfig-Device[0]-0"
        Monitor    "aticonfig-Monitor[0]-0"
        DefaultDepth     24
        SubSection "Display"
                Viewport   0 0
                Depth     24
        EndSubSection
EndSection

and then run
Code:
$aticonfig --initial -adapter=all -f

and then print out what your new /etc/X11/xorg.conf looks like ... or just reboot and it should work.
7699  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins in meatspace on: May 26, 2011, 08:38:43 AM
If you have any loved ones (or charities) whom you want to have your bitwealth after you die or become incapacitated, you may want some way for them to get your private keys eventually. If the knowledge of how to get to your coins is only in your head, it's likely that a bunch of bitcoins will leave circulation.

tattoo it in chiral-symmetric spiral patterns on the left and right buttocks ... if your corpse gets unrecognisably, disintegrated in some unholy manner, well that's just fate.

NB: the information about reading codes off your frozen butt will have to be left in a safe, retrievable location, like a will or some such.
7700  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [announce] Namecoin - a distributed naming system based on Bitcoin on: May 26, 2011, 08:13:52 AM
what happens if I reserve without the d/ in front of the name? it seems to work fine.

what does it mean that I reserved a name? for how long will it stay reserved? could I reserve a hundred names and lock them for everyone else? I hope not.  >=]


After the

Code:
./namecoind name_firstupdate

the name stays reserved for 12,000 blocks (i think) at which point you can do a

Code:
./namecoind name_update 

to keep it current  ... cost (0.01NC)

We need to get the exact details extracted out of the forums, made explicit, and put up on the wiki ... bear with us.

http://dot-bit.org/HowToRegisterAndConfigureBitDomains#4._Other_updates

Edit: it is in the OP ... start there at least.
"Names expire after 12000 blocks unless renewed with an update"
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