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7341  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Regulating Bitcoin Exchanges on: June 23, 2011, 09:41:04 AM
Bitcoins are NOT untraceable, and are anonymous only if the addresses used to receive them cannot be linked to real people. If exchanges become regulated and will require ID from all users, it will be extremely easy to see (in the block chain and in correlation with the exchanges databases) who paid how much to whom and when. This is a performance that cash will never achieve!

The good part: thieves will be easier to catch.
The bad part: farewell, privacy!

Like most things in life, bitcoin has two sides  Grin

Chaumian blinding ....

Goodbye big brother, hello privacy.

Bitcoin has many facets, not like a coin but like a diamond ....  ; Wink
7342  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: About Mt. Gox flaw from a security expert on: June 23, 2011, 09:25:37 AM

What is your work experience in the security field?

I work with vending machines and payments solutions (POS, ATMs, ....)


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What academical qualifications do you have besides googling concepts?

I have a master in applied mathematics. My area of strength are numerical statistic, cryptography and game theory.

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Who can vouch for your skills or known projects in any white or blackhat forum?

I thought that we were having a discussion, thus arguments and sources are what matters.

In fact, if you recall my statistical indicator PSI, it is taken from the PCI DSS literature.

I quoted it because some people said they were confident with PCI DSS, still they didnt recognized this, thus showing how fake they are.

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Do you know anything at all about programming a secure site or platform?

I'm not a web developer, I frown upon PHP and some other web technologies.

I know Matlab, Java, PETSC, Python, C (in order of confidence) but I'm not a CS.

I'm the guy who build a statistical model, so that you can study the behavior of your complex system (a market, a cryptography algorithm, a network, ...).



So have you built bitcoind on BSD yet ... be interested to know your thoughts on the statistical probability of it getting hacked ...

send through the makefile when you have done it so we know you are not just bullshitting everyone.
7343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To Magical Tux on: June 23, 2011, 08:44:36 AM
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Businesses that act like they are immune to subpoenas and warrants don't last long and aren't good places to keep your money.

JPMorgue Chase and Goldman Sachs would like politely disagree with you here .... seems like there is two sets of laws in effect here ... so now the FBI and SEC are going to crawl all over a money exchange? ... wtf, billions have been stolen right under their noses and they said ... "we were watching porn so we didn't see nuffin"
7344  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: BitCams.com on: June 23, 2011, 06:50:15 AM

pinkbits.com
showusyourbits.com
... yeah, the bit jokes could go on for a while.
7345  Other / Off-topic / Re: Namecoin Dying on: June 23, 2011, 01:39:12 AM
Silk Road now accepting Namecoin!

Just kidding, that will be when namecoin gets a user gui and grows up a little ... its got potential, since it is NOT bitcoin but can be traded just like them. If the schumer brigade "make bitcoin illegal" where's people gonna turn next ....
oh look, there's Namecoin just sitting waiting for a dance over there .... at this point, Namecoin is the tent peg that is conceptually holding the main pole up legally, philosophically .... whatta they gonna do ban all bitcoin-like p2p code??
7346  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To Magical Tux on: June 23, 2011, 01:30:22 AM

In all reality the japanese authorities have their hands full at fukushima and the meltdown in tokyo financial markets to the tune of trillions ... i think magic the gathering on-line exchange is pretty low on their todo list. icbw.
7347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Poll: Bitcoin as a backbone to which low-latency complementary technology? on: June 22, 2011, 02:54:41 PM
Just became aware of this - pretty cool and related to what we are discussing here. A site that implements blind signing to launder Bitcoins: https://blindbitcoin.com/index.html .


Instawallet front-end on blindbitcoin backend = win?

https://www.instawallet.org

https://blindbitcoin.com/

for small/medium private transactions and always on-line holdings.
7348  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Good News: Mt.Gox has a new logo!! on: June 22, 2011, 12:46:43 PM


Aww neat. It's like the orbiting arrows signify how Mt. Gox lets your account information be sent "around the world". That's clever.
Uhh... I thought the orbiting arrows where a clever allegory to our heads spinning after the flash crash...

Yeah, made me think of the 500k btc in the MtGov float account chasing their own tail around in circles but not really going anywhere ... perpetual motion like ... or the rollback in action.
7349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: To Magical Tux on: June 22, 2011, 12:43:02 PM

Any ideas on who the "financial auditor" was ...?

seems suspicious that it came days after MtGov's very public announcement that they would be "co-operating with the authorities" ... would be too ironic if some gubmint drone showed up and logged in with the infected computer that screwed MtGov over ...
7350  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: EFF donations and the Bitcoin Faucet on: June 22, 2011, 12:22:13 PM

I now prefer idea of keeping the coins in escrow somewhere (ClearCoin?) as a "legal defence fund" LDF (I suggested faucet first, my bad i think).

If/when EFF work their way around "complex legal issues" they may be open to accepting btc donations again and in the interim it could be also used for other worthy legal bitcoin defences.
7351  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Securing contingent claims on: June 21, 2011, 08:14:10 AM

Hmmm, maybe you need to look into Open Transactions and the financial crypto library that provides for contracts. It can accomodate p2p currencies like bitcoin as a basis.

https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions

Moneychanger could be just what you after.

https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Moneychanger
7352  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: About Mt. Gox flaw from a security expert on: June 21, 2011, 08:05:46 AM


Got a makefile for your *BSD bitcoind build you'd like to share?

Would help the community with more/different OS builds out there.


I don't think we need to run bitcoind on BSD. You can or you can't, depends on your choice.


The web frontend needs to run on bsd, FOR SURE.

So, have you actually built bitcoind on any linux OS (particularly RH or BSD) ... besides downloaded the pre-chewed windows binaries or ubuntu packages?

Seems you are making lots of sweeping statements without actually getting your hands dirty here.
7353  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open-Transactions vs. the "typical centralized system" on: June 21, 2011, 08:00:37 AM
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I have been a long supporter of OT (Open Transactions), and plan to release software based upon it.

OT isn't a easy concept to get your around your head... however once you 'work it out' it changes your prospective of how finance should be done.

Yes, a better than facile understanding of this technology is needed.

Please tell us you have developed an exchange based on OT? (it is sorely needed by bitcoin)
7354  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Forking the Blockchain for Bonds (25 BTC Bounty) on: June 21, 2011, 07:53:28 AM
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I understand that almost no one here understands economics well, but the computer scientists are at least intelligent. As far as me writing the code, I am an economics professor, not a computer programmer.
(Watching .... this should be entertaining.)

You could always buy mining contracts from our good friend Vladimir the miner who is effectively selling futures contracts on bitcoins .... https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=2883.0

Bonds are debt are they not? Bitcoin is a credit currency as fas I'm aware ... (economics can be prone to political bias if monetary concepts are not applied with rigour.)
7355  Other / Off-topic / lulzSec joins forces with Anonymous on "Operation Anti-Security" on: June 21, 2011, 06:00:20 AM
more than just 4 the lulz ...

http://www.net-security.org/secworld.php?id=11189

Over the weekend, LulzSec has seemingly finally moved away from being in it "for the lulz" and has acquired a cause: it has announced it has teamed up with Anonymous and other "affiliated battleships" and that it is launching "Operation Anti-Security".

"Top priority is to steal and leak any classified government information, including email spools and documentation. Prime targets are banks and other high-ranking establishments," it says in the call-to-arms published on Sunday on pastebin.com. "We encourage any vessel, large or small, to open fire on any government or agency that crosses their path. We fully endorse the flaunting of the word "AntiSec" on any government website defacement or physical graffiti art. We encourage you to spread the word of AntiSec far and wide, for it will be remembered."
7356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Open-Transactions vs. the "typical centralized system" on: June 21, 2011, 05:37:51 AM
Want to follow this one ...  Wink
7357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be on the Peter Schiff Show 2011-06-20 at 10AM EDT on: June 21, 2011, 05:08:34 AM

Donald Norman from bitcoin consultancy sounds like he is fast getting out of his depth. He mentions in one breath about the genesis block referring to "bailouts for banks" and in same interview unashamedly is asking for UK regulator assistance to run his Britcoin operation ... one conflicted individual.

I am a market anarchist but I think its good that they want regulation of the exchanges. How can that be? Some people will distrust bitcoins, and some others will try to attack it. By seeking to be regulated they are shielding themselves from this types of attacks. Also, its not like the governments were going to let them be. Governments were going to go for them anyways at some points, so you must as well do it on your own.

Yeah, at least if it's his idea, he has some say in how it's done.

yeah, like telling them at what speed they should screw him over .... if he's lucky.

Lie down with dogs and you get fleas.

If he's not doing anything illegal why should the regulators get involved at all? Governments need to be reined in, not encouraged to expand ... has no one been paying attention recently?
7358  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: About Mt. Gox flaw from a security expert on: June 21, 2011, 04:38:46 AM
Dear Bitcoiners,

I'm sorry to hear that some people have had their account stolen, but I was expecting it.

The problem of Mt. Gox is that it grown too fast, without the correct investment in customer safety. The design of the site is not thought for security, and it is evident even from the API. Basic cornerstones like input validation, or safe data exchange are omitted, as if that was a blog and not a sensitive web application. Luckily Mt. Gox makes enough money to pay admins to control the money-flow.


The bigger problem anyhow, is that other exchanges have blatantly copied the design of mt. Gox, along with its flaws, and with a smaller budget. Thus I expect more security breaches. And this is a big problem for the credibility of bitcoins. Thus I invite exchange owners to:


1) Use the right software. IIS is a big no-no Smiley Also Linux should frowned upon. Unix is the way to go.

2) Update the software. You cant leave a known root escalation bug for 6 days!!!!

3) Have your code reviewed by a third party.

4) PHP security isnt too difficult, http://phpsec.org/projects/guide/ , still you missed most of the BASIC guidelines.

5) For god sake, you're moving hundred of thousand of dollars. Use a fucking dedicated server for the database. Accessible only by a local IP. If you wonder why I know this, then you should fire your admin.

If you own an exchange and would like to be safer, for a small fee (in the 5 figures) PM me, and I will tell you if your site is flawed, and if it is I can show you how I can have root access on the webserver at least.


I realized this guy was a dumbass when I read number 1.  I am a Redhat Certified Engineer, and I have several close friends and co-workers that are Linux Administrators for DoD, ORNL, and Y-12 (All in Tennessee).  Here is a reason why every single freaking one of these institutions rely on LINUX (mostly RHEL) for the utmost security. The OP has obviously no idea what SELinux is or just how actually secure it is.  Its a shame there are so many self declared "security experts" involved with Bitcoin.  I am no expert, but I do know my ass from a hole in the ground. 

I'm inclined to agree ....  yet the number of people building bitcoind on a RH system or derivative numbers in the tens, if that ... absolutely no support that I can find for RH bitcoind ... except this howto for CentOS http://www.austinheap.com/assets/coins/531b6341e653b7b57a8f7f5cc3da79d9.pdf ....

C'mon you RH guys get in here and show them how its done, we need you. hware/OS/sware are the three-legs of security ... people have fogotten about 1 and 2 in the rush to make money I fear.



7359  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Letter to the EFF on: June 21, 2011, 04:20:33 AM
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but this just came across my news feed today, June 20th, 2011.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/eff-and-bitcoin

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JUNE 20TH, 2011      
EFF and Bitcoin
Announcement by Cindy Cohn


For several months, EFF has been following the movement around Bitcoin, an electronic payment system that touts itself as "the first decentralized digital currency." We helped inform our members about this unique project through our blog and we experimented with accepting Bitcoin donations for several months in an account that was started by others.

However, we’ve recently removed the Bitcoin donation option from the Other Ways to Help page on the EFF website, and we have decided to not accept Bitcoins. We decided on this course of action for a few reasons:

1.   We don't fully understand the complex legal issues involved with creating a new currency system. Bitcoin raises untested legal concerns related to securities law, the Stamp Payments Act, tax evasion, consumer protection and money laundering, among others. And that’s just in the U.S. While EFF is often the defender of people ensnared in legal issues arising from new technologies, we try very hard to keep EFF from becoming the actual subject of those fights or issues. Since there is no caselaw on this topic, and the legal implications are still very unclear, we worry that our acceptance of Bitcoins may move us into the possible subject role.

2.   We don't want to mislead our donors. When people make a donation to a nonprofit like EFF, they expect us to use their donation to support our work. Because the legal territory around exchanging Bitcoins into cash is still uncertain, we are not comfortable spending the many Bitcoins we have accumulated. Because of this, we’re giving the Bitcoins that have been accumulated, or that may accumulate in the future, in the account set up in our name to the Bitcoin faucet, so that they can continue to circulate in the community.1

3.   People were misconstruing our acceptance of Bitcoins as an endorsement of Bitcoin. We were concerned that some people may have participated in the Bitcoin project specifically because EFF accepted Bitcoins, and perhaps they therefore believed the investment in Bitcoins was secure and risk-free. While we’ve been following the Bitcoin movement with a great degree of interest, EFF has never endorsed Bitcoin. In fact, we generally don’t endorse any type of product or service – and Bitcoin is no exception.

We appreciate the outpouring of support we have received from the Bitcoin community and we share that community's commitment to privacy and innovation. We also appreciate their frustration with the privacy problems posed by existing on-line payment systems. However, EFF will no longer be accepting or spending Bitcoins.

[1] We understand that we cannot close the account that has been set up in EFF’s name and that returning the donations to the individual donors would be complex and difficult.




tl;dr summary .... EFF lawyers soiled their corduroys at the "complex legal issues" surrounding bitcoin ... << bleeding edge lawyers, I guess.
7360  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin will be on the Peter Schiff Show 2011-06-20 at 10AM EDT on: June 21, 2011, 04:08:08 AM

Donald Norman from bitcoin consultancy sounds like he is fast getting out of his depth. He mentions in one breath about the genesis block referring to "bailouts for banks" and in same interview unashamedly is asking for UK regulator assistance to run his Britcoin operation ... one conflicted individual.
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