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841  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: The Bitcoin Foundation - Comments on the Coinlab/Mt Gox Lawsuit on: May 04, 2013, 01:22:16 AM
I will repost what I said on the foundation boards:

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I have to point out that this conduct is utterly disgraceful. We are not the linux foundation with Linus at the helm and megacorporations tied to the security and well-being of our product. The Bitcoin Foundation is small and heavily underfunded for the tasks it is seeking to accomplish. To have one board member sue another who happens to control the largest means of currency exchange for 75 million dollars without any forewarning or joint statement to the members of this foundation is beyond common sense.

How can Peter and Mark successfully execute their duties? This isn't AMD and Intel arguing over a patent. If Peter wins his lawsuit, then Mtgox will fold. If Mark wins, then how exactly will Peter explain to his investors that he spent their money on a failed legal venture? There is already a bank run at Mtgox with hundreds of people trying to pull out.I wouldn't be surprised to see fractional reserve rumors come soon -anonymously of course. The whole thing smells really dirty and it makes me sad.

Honestly, what I am most upset about is that you guys aren't asking for Peter and Mark to temporarily step down until this issue has been properly managed. Is there even a media plan at this point? Come on guys.

From Gavin:
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I like the Linux model better, with lots of developers at lots of different companies (and some independent) contributing.

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That works well because corporations make money off of linux and thus have an incentive to contribute. Governments use linux and thus wish to keep it secure.We need to get bitcoin past some threshold that will make corporations comfortable investing dev resources to build products on top of bitcoin. For example, Facebook could become the largest online wallet provider in the world. It could effectively kill kickstarter and revolutionize the donation model for non-profits.

Some entity with credibility needs to court them into committing to a beta test. I disagree that we could replicate the linux model completely because we have no leader. Satoshi doesn't want to be Linus, which is his right, yet it means decisions end up getting made without any community consensus.

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The Linux Foundation may have plenty of lawsuits between companies but we're not quite the Linux Foundation yet. Bitcoin is still very small. Also Linux has very little to lose from one of the companies in the Linux Foundation going under.

But for Bitcoin this kind of infighting at this stage is unacceptable and hurts people's trust. There's a lot more at stake here. $75 million is not pocket change even for MtGox. Are the people with deposits at MtGox at risk?

Member corporations sueing each other for money is a negative sum game, and it certainly looks like a conflict of interest to me with the goal of the Bitcoin Foundation.
842  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 04, 2013, 01:14:52 AM
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Don't sell yourself short: your project is worth every satoshi of a 50BTC bounty per lecture.
I really hope the community sees that one day, until then we will just have to keep the faith that fellow bitcoiners will see the wisdom in supporting a project that will make bitcoin mainstream.
843  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 04, 2013, 01:12:34 AM
Lol, well you could always assist us in that donation drive. It's been fun talking to you Smiley
844  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 04, 2013, 01:09:23 AM
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How much are you willing to pay for producing these types of lectures?

Perhaps there's a miner who would like to cover these costs for you?
(Let's see how much in donations you'll get after this discussion.)

I think a project of this nature should be worth around 1% of the entire bitcoin economy. It will resolve the PR issue bitcoin faces and bring the mainstream into the currency. It will compel corporations to build products that will use bitcoin as a medium of exchange. It will bring in non-profits. It will give small businesses the knowledge necessary to start accepting bitcoin for their products and services. Citizens of countries with unstable currency can start transacting with bitcoins instead of their local money. This project's value in my opinion is of equal importance as the development of the protocol itself.
845  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 04, 2013, 12:03:03 AM
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Only if you can figure out a way to break the hoarding mentality... Right now your focus seems to be on boosting demand for bitcoins, not on spending them as BTC.

Our course mentions bitmit.net and other bitcoin e-commerce websites and will eventually have several lectures to help merchants accept bitcoins. We are actively working at increasing commerce in actual bitcoins.

However, the very first step will always be teaching people the fundamentals of bitcoin. They need to learn how to ride the bike before riding the mountain trails.

I will also mention that we use all BTC donations for services and products sold in BTC. For example btcedproject.org was obtained from orangewebsites.com an icelandic host that sells services in BTC.

Even if you don't decide to donate. I would really enjoy suggestions on how we can encourage more people to use btcs as a medium of exchange. If you'd like to record some lectures, then I'd be happy to post them.
846  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: A Free Bitcoin Introductory Course on: May 03, 2013, 11:58:30 PM
Could everyone PM the mods and request a permanent post?
847  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 10:22:32 PM
Much appreciated
848  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 10:18:38 PM
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I'm not in need of your service... But miners are — it's in their best interest to generate demand for BTC. Unfortunately, they still believe in bitcoin being GOLD 2.0, not BTC.

Consider it a donation to the economy as said coins will be used for commerce. We already paid for out website with btcs and also some graphics work in btc.
849  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ? on: May 03, 2013, 09:31:27 PM
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A fund for paying Gavin (and other core devs) would be great. But I'm sure this should not be part of any client.

My proposal has always been a charity pool which keeps the coins it generates and donates them to a dev foundation. We could resolve two problems in one. First the 51% hash issue by negotiating with pool operators to commit to a cap (say 45%) of total hash power with overflow donated to the pool. Second, the GPU obsolescence issue due to ASICs. People will have collectively millions of dollars worth of hardware that will go dark. Combined it is still worth a lot and would generate a lot of revenue for a charity pool.
850  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 09:28:17 PM
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How about paying those who promote the adoption of bitcoin through services like The Bitcoin Education Project? We are all in this together, but bitcoin miners have yet to realize that without spending there won't be a bitcoin economy. Hoarding will not get them anywhere in the long-term (the public will soon get tired of the Pump and Dump schemes)... In fact, it may even spell the death of bitcoin, especially if a competing crypto-currency will figure out a way to motivate its miners to spend like there's no tomorrow.

Well then put your money where your mouth is, We are accepting donations:

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851  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Jon Matonis has Signed on to Help our Project on: May 03, 2013, 09:26:17 PM
Lol, that one is difficult to say. I'd be basically saying he's a former nazi scientist.
852  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ? on: May 03, 2013, 09:20:22 PM
Did you see my post in the forum?
853  Other / Beginners & Help / A Free Bitcoin Introductory Course on: May 03, 2013, 09:11:42 PM
https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto/
854  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 08:52:06 PM
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what are you talking about?

His project works along these lines:
- People stay away from things they don't understand
- People who don't understand cryto won't buy or sell stuff in crypto
- If people are educated to understand crypto they won't stay away
- More people will buy and sell stuff in crypto
- Everyone in the COmmunity wins... what's the problem with this?

Maybe there is a language barrier and he is having difficulty communicating his ideas? Yes you have correctly summarized what I am trying to do. Fair point on supply not decreasing, my point was the demand will drive the price point higher, which is what we want as bitcoin holders.

855  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 08:36:03 PM
I'm not entirely sure how you are linking this to mining. My goal is to educate the general public on bitcoin. The only thing this could accomplish would be for more demand for bitcoins thus reducing supply and increasing prices.

856  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Jon Matonis has Signed on to Help our Project on: May 03, 2013, 08:26:26 PM
Jon has agreed to generate content for the course when he has the spare time. Until then we have permission to post several of his podcasts for our course:

https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto/

We have posted an interview from Consult Hyperion. More to come soon.
857  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 06:56:31 PM
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How are you planning to pay for all this if you are not a miner? Even miners don't mine bitcoins for free.

The say way Satoshi paid to develop bitcoin. Through volunteers and community donations. I am working for free and I got Udemy to support us at no cost. We will never have to pay for bandwidth for our lectures. The more people who enter the bitcoin world; the more money my bitcoins are worth.
858  Economy / Economics / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Econonmists on: May 03, 2013, 06:39:04 PM
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Are you a bitcoin miner or just a buyer/user?

I'm an educator seeking to spread our currency to the world. I need good economists to help explain the complex issues of a deflationary currency and the metrics we use to understand how bitcoin is doing.
859  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 03, 2013, 03:23:35 AM
OK so we can concluded the following:


Discussion over
860  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's Talk Bitcoin! #3 "The Future of Money" Projects, Interviews & Analysis on: May 03, 2013, 02:58:33 AM
You should work for BFL. Then need some help in that department
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