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861  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Enough Distractions, Here's the First Bitcoin Education Project Agenda on: May 02, 2013, 04:35:53 PM
I've been a bit too bogged down in the politics of bitcoin and I should really return to my project full time. So here is the Agenda for this week:

Centralize and Communicate
=============================
(1) We will be launching a website soon btcedproject.org
(2) Facebook, wiki and twitter page coming soon
(3) All contributors will be issued email addresses for official contact
(4) Some form of decentralized submission bank (Maybe github??)

Mission, Values and Project Goals
==============================
(1) The website will list our mission, values and goals
(2) We will list the areas we need collaborators
(3) We will also discuss the bitcoin archive initiative including satoshi's emails

Content Development 
==============================
(1) We have several tracks to develop and refine. The most important is the core lecture series for
     the mainstream
(2) We will translate the core lecture series into different languages. Some bitcoiners in Argentina
     have agreed to handle spanish. We are also looking for chinese, german and french
(3) If you are a developer in the bitcoin world with an open source project, then PM me we can
     do a lecture on your product (you can too!)
(4) The more advanced lectures like the annotated Satoshi series will come out during the Summer

Well that's all for now, I'll edit when the website is up. Thanks everyone for your support and help. We are up to 560 students for the course in just 11 days:

https://www.udemy.com/bitcoin-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-crypto/

Donations to help grow the project:
189tfJJhCJFtkr4MZJgcB3yuGTfUh7cvUL

862  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New to Bitcoin Start Here on: May 02, 2013, 04:24:38 PM
New Lectures Coming Soon
863  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Roger Ver and Jon Matonis pushed aside now that Bitcoin is becoming mainstream on: May 02, 2013, 04:00:16 PM
I'm just sensitive to takeovers by a few. Forgive me if I'm seeming a bit extreme. I love bitcoin. I don't want to see bitcoin become paypal 2.0. It's a bigger idea.
864  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WTF - Kiddy Porn in the Blockchain for life? on: May 02, 2013, 03:56:39 PM
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Tee hee you're all criminals now
865  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 02, 2013, 04:29:06 AM
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Already have, many times.  But you know this already.

And this is where you say, we are sorry.

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Too fatty.

You have not lived until you've had fried alligator tail from an overweight cajun cook:

866  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 02, 2013, 04:18:38 AM
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Good thing I'm not an ex-con then, huh?

Never said you were nor is it relevant to this discussion. You guys got a lot of product to ship and some magic ASICs to design to make up for the crap you've pulled. If you do, then I'll say I was wrong. You deserve that much. But will you at least once say you are sorry for the delays?

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Oh?  I will be in FoCo in a month or two, I expect flowers and a box of chocolates.  Dinner at Jax is suitable, unless you want something more upscale.

You like alligator?
867  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 02, 2013, 04:12:03 AM
I am giving him the benefit of the doubt and I leave the burden of redemption on him. If BFL ships, then I will congratulate them personally. 
868  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Looking for Bitcoin Entrepreneurs on: May 02, 2013, 04:10:25 AM
PM me with your bio
869  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Butterflylabs Huge SCAM on: May 02, 2013, 03:42:30 AM
Josh's history doesn't have any impact on this issue. The only thing we should care about is whether BFL actually ships their product to the people who have paid for it. We should close this thread and open a new thread for people to post reviews and pictures of their ASIC miners.

870  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Peter Vessenes resign as the Executive Director for Bitcoin Foundation ? on: May 02, 2013, 03:37:13 AM
We need a p2p bitcoin exchange
871  Other / Off-topic / Re: Seriously can't they go to a damn website? on: May 02, 2013, 02:22:43 AM
My only grip is that CNN should do a better job at moderating stories that clearly would have an impact on a publicly traded currency. It is irresponsible for a media agency to willingly allow its platform to be used for this purpose. The point of a crowdsourced news aggregator is to get breaking news from a 1st hand account. Moderators could clearly see this was misuse of their system and should have shut it down.
872  Other / Off-topic / Re: Seriously can't they go to a damn website? on: May 02, 2013, 02:09:43 AM
This story was intended to manipulate the price of a publicly traded currency. It should have never past any form of moderation without them first visiting the website.
873  Other / Off-topic / Seriously can't they go to a damn website? on: May 02, 2013, 02:05:37 AM
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-966426

Mtgox is still up and running. My god why doesn't the media vet anything anymore?
874  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin survive a real fork? on: May 02, 2013, 01:12:49 AM
Ripple is a sad attempt to dominate bitcoin.



He won't use it!!!
875  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do we want to work with money regulators, or keep Bitcoin unregulated? on: May 02, 2013, 12:48:56 AM
Well the foundation is fundamentally pro-regulation. What that means is entirely unclear to me and even as a member I cannot get answers other than attacks by the leadership. I would really appreciate Peter spending the time to leave a thread with his vision for regulation. Instead of just personal attacks or claims we don't "contribute" enough to deserve a voice in bitcoin.

876  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Roger Ver and Jon Matonis pushed aside now that Bitcoin is becoming mainstream on: May 02, 2013, 12:32:39 AM
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I think an interesting solution to these arguments would be to find someone with totally extreme political views who can be absolutely trusted to talk about Bitcoin in a neutral light, and make it clear that it's a project which is made up of many people with different beliefs and backgrounds. Someone who is a hard core anarcho-capitalist but isn't going to claim Bitcoin is inherently anarchist if they're given a soapbox, or imply the point of Bitcoin is being able to evade the law, etc. Then maybe everyone can be equally annoyed together. Perhaps Mike G would take it on Smiley

Charles, I think the tea party analogy is an interesting one. Obviously I wasn't there. But perhaps you can see that your analogy is invertible. There are plenty of libertarians that are doing productive and useful stuff with Bitcoin, but there are also a people who are trying to essentially hijack Bitcoin and make it linked in peoples minds with their own agenda. You can see it in these endless threads where some of them claim Bitcoin is inherently anti-government and anyone who disagrees "doesn't get it". They just can't or won't mentally separate the two things.

This is the root cause of the desire to keep Bitcoin and bitcoin.org apolitical, which is something there's a lot of support for. The problem is how to actually do that. A wiki page won't work. Wiki pages on controversial topics just turn into exhausting edit wars in which the final result is decided by who has the most time and zealot-like dedication. That's not a way to achieve an apolitical result, as we learned the hard way with the Trade page.

We could just delete anything that some random forum poster finds controversial. That won't work either. Some people genuinely believe Bitcoin shouldn't have a website at all. Maybe one day that'll be the case (hopefully!), just like how the dollar doesn't have a website, but we're far from that state.

We can rename stuff so it seems less "official", but there's already a very obvious disclaimer on the website saying that the people there aren't official or spokespeople of any kind.

We could just abandon the entire concept of a press center, but there are reasons it was created (oddly, nobody found it controversial when I first proposed it here in this forum). Mostly that a lot of the coverage Bitcoin got was really clueless or riddled with basic errors, and could have benefited from people who knew what they were talking about being involved. It'd suck to give up on trying to fix that.

So we're left with the worst solution except for all the others - have some kind of process for submitting changes, and look for alternatives in cases where there's controversy or people who have a long track record of contribution would be uncomfortable. In this case there are plenty of people who nobody really disagrees on, so there are lots of alternatives available.

Another thing I am confused about is why are you contributing to Bitcoin if your end goal is to have a collection of governments regulate and control it? You've effectively built a better paypal without stock options or founder credit? The whole point of having a system like bitcoin is to abstract commerce to the cloud and outside of any one government's hands. We can agree to reasonable regulation of exchanges, yet I'm getting the feeling the foundation has something broader and more government friendly in mind.

Yes I could be wrong, but why are you then using the very finite resources of the foundation to argue about media relations when you have ignored the single most important entity in this debate- the mainstream prospect. There are significant barriers to entry for normal people into our world. It makes a lot more sense to win the PR battle by focusing on removing those barriers instead of purging certain voices deem to be to extreme. Anyone can be extreme if someone doesn't understand what they are doing.
877  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Roger Ver and Jon Matonis pushed aside now that Bitcoin is becoming mainstream on: May 01, 2013, 11:10:43 PM
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Charles, I think the tea party analogy is an interesting one. Obviously I wasn't there. But perhaps you can see that your analogy is invertible. There are plenty of libertarians that are doing productive and useful stuff with Bitcoin, but there are also a people who are trying to essentially hijack Bitcoin and make it linked in peoples minds with their own agenda. You can see it in these endless threads where some of them claim Bitcoin is inherently anti-government and anyone who disagrees "doesn't get it". They just can't or won't mentally separate the two things.

I disagree with the notion that it isn't a thorn for governments. The problem is that governments issue the money and regulate it as they see fit. Bitcoin both attacks the standard economic models they tend to use for monetary policy (hurting the intellectual integrity of central banks) and also removes almost all economic controls governments can enforce upon their people. For example, wallets can't be frozen. It is incredibly difficult to measure a person's income (hurting the integrity of the tax system). There is no central agency to regulate or dominate. No one to answer for the crimes of the system as a whole.

It's a unique and difficult animal to even properly define much less integrate into the existing legal structure of money. Therefore, it is very naive in my opinion to believe governments will look kindly if only we cleaned up our act enough. They will never accept something that removes power they currently have. Thus unless we capitulate and surrender things like anonymity and free commerce, they will actively fight to destroy Bitcoin.

In my humble opinion, we have to treat bitcoin like the Internet of the 1980s and focus on bringing as many actors as possible into the system. The more people who both understand and use bitcoin; the easier it will be to prevent governments from trying to destroy bitcoin. The best way of doing this is to adopt an inclusive system and crowdsource educational efforts. 
878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: I will create a forked bitcoin chain on: May 01, 2013, 11:01:37 PM
thanks
879  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New to Bitcoin Start Here on: May 01, 2013, 10:59:06 PM
Bitcoin first, but I can see eventually a whole series of lectures on alternative cryptocurrencies
880  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: New to Bitcoin Start Here on: May 01, 2013, 10:51:30 PM
Udemy is a MOOC. I created this course and eventually turned it into an open sourced project under the name the Bitcoin Education Project. I'll be launching the official website in a few days.
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