They're just advertising. When MSN/AOL advertise a car as being top of its class in reliability, and then it has a recall due to reliability issues, do you think they should also be charged since they are making a false claim, leading people into buying something they shouldn't?
Shorena (and others) stated that those negs will be removed, if they remove the signature (and don't get paid for it).corrected something that was supposed to , you should not leave more than neutral to someone who is signaturing solely for the attrctive payouts ... ignoring the logic is also some kind of misbehavior or not rightful. A neutral rating is only helpful if someone checks the history. A negative rating is easier to spot and check. yeah but i ain't speaking for the red but the thing is we all know it is only for the high payment and nothing to do with the scam and i cannot ignore that fact . It's fine to make them Red for now but it shouldn't be visible forever , must be changed to neutral if the removed the sig regardless of the payment received cause if the user is not wearing any scamming sig then what are you warning newbies for ? If they are getting punished just for the extra coins they tried to earn and had no intentions to scam then i wouldn't agree with that at least after seeing all the sig drama. |
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why are you taking a fiat loan on bitcoin forum ? I could agree that you might be in some problem and need this money but it doesn't makes sense still cause you are taking it in bitcoins.
either take in fiat and repay in fiat or take in btc and repay in btc.
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They're just advertising. When MSN/AOL advertise a car as being top of its class in reliability, and then it has a recall due to reliability issues, do you think they should also be charged since they are making a false claim, leading people into buying something they shouldn't?
Shorena (and others) stated that those negs will be removed, if they remove the signature (and don't get paid for it).corrected something that was supposed to , you should not leave more than neutral to someone who is signaturing solely for the attrctive payouts ... ignoring the logic is also some kind of misbehavior or not rightful. |
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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm taking a 0.05 loan with 0.06 repayment and today is 13/12/15
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh
G6t074Mw9SxmBMjm+IxYxzqS8ykyfXWA9ZOjzWKjH+PDZlO6nIBTXbmiim/Us+Za6DX6rTRr/Lnhk0wFKpikIBw=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Verifiedthats nice now sign this message in the code . I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate sign the above message and send me the login details via PM and the address to be funded in this thread. -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh GyvDq0gCe4fCpHe17I15zmnzaXMlwdIs+hNNgn9jZGQzcSxhsBzhpZS7eLUZgPzWHXSFQJj2yt6jy536+f9Hds0= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fuck the messages it is failing again and again, i will fund the address if you just confirm the above said in code. Lol, just calm down.. i think i'm the one who need "fireup" here.  Why you not check it from blocktrail? It said valid sent -- https://blockchain.info/tx/29ccf525719d6324f08b978e8a61c91440b1c147d25e917c3f849b733509474bsomeone quote this thing and you lock the thread for the time . Edit: send the logins ... Quoted. Also, your supposed to get the collateral first.. yes , was just angry on something else and forgot that shit , i hope he is is honest. send the login details steven. ? i am waiting i now control his account . i will make a couple of posts when required so that you dont lose activity .  |
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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm taking a 0.05 loan with 0.06 repayment and today is 13/12/15
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh
G6t074Mw9SxmBMjm+IxYxzqS8ykyfXWA9ZOjzWKjH+PDZlO6nIBTXbmiim/Us+Za6DX6rTRr/Lnhk0wFKpikIBw=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Verifiedthats nice now sign this message in the code . I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate sign the above message and send me the login details via PM and the address to be funded in this thread. -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh GyvDq0gCe4fCpHe17I15zmnzaXMlwdIs+hNNgn9jZGQzcSxhsBzhpZS7eLUZgPzWHXSFQJj2yt6jy536+f9Hds0= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fuck the messages it is failing again and again, i will fund the address if you just confirm the above said in code. Lol, just calm down.. i think i'm the one who need "fireup" here. Why you not check it from blocktrail? It said valid sent -- https://blockchain.info/tx/29ccf525719d6324f08b978e8a61c91440b1c147d25e917c3f849b733509474bsomeone quote this thing and you lock the thread for the time . Edit: send the logins ... |
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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm taking a 0.05 loan with 0.06 repayment and today is 13/12/15
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh
G6t074Mw9SxmBMjm+IxYxzqS8ykyfXWA9ZOjzWKjH+PDZlO6nIBTXbmiim/Us+Za6DX6rTRr/Lnhk0wFKpikIBw=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Verifiedthats nice now sign this message in the code . I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate sign the above message and send me the login details via PM and the address to be funded in this thread. -----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh GyvDq0gCe4fCpHe17I15zmnzaXMlwdIs+hNNgn9jZGQzcSxhsBzhpZS7eLUZgPzWHXSFQJj2yt6jy536+f9Hds0= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Fuck the messages it is failing again and again, i will fund the address if you just confirm the above said in code. |
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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
I'm taking a 0.05 loan with 0.06 repayment and today is 13/12/15
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh
G6t074Mw9SxmBMjm+IxYxzqS8ykyfXWA9ZOjzWKjH+PDZlO6nIBTXbmiim/Us+Za6DX6rTRr/Lnhk0wFKpikIBw=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Verifiedthats nice now sign this message in the code . I StevenLiang taking a 0.05 loan from heutenamos on 13th december 2015 and will repay 0.06 in 30 days or else my bitcointalk account used as collateral can be sold to recover the loan unless i request him for some more time with an increment of interest rate sign the above message and send me the login details via PM and the address to be funded in this thread. |
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OK, I made a quick test for your sake and everything is fine wither you are missing something or you are a scammer. I have got honesty problems....
--1GEnghisk4HXZLgzphNcyRNDm2waA6EvwP--
--HIfjkYRIzuKqDKC6mb3xZpHSjVDEt+5OKkefcHVoJF9WeWl1awp9cByiGPwd0757aJGoEFh7a6vZ/BRmkI02Zu8=---
this signature van be verified at coinig and the addy is from blockchain. It verified. https://i.imgur.com/uKkSUgb.jpgI do not know why in my case (my address), coinig say it Failure don't post screenshots they are nothing more than a waste , pay attention while signing the message. If you can't sign the message then you wont be able to seek this loan ,you are lucky if your account is not negated. |
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OK, I made a quick test for your sake and everything is fine either you are missing something or you are a scammer. I have got honesty problems....
--1GEnghisk4HXZLgzphNcyRNDm2waA6EvwP--
--HIfjkYRIzuKqDKC6mb3xZpHSjVDEt+5OKkefcHVoJF9WeWl1awp9cByiGPwd0757aJGoEFh7a6vZ/BRmkI02Zu8=---
this signature van be verified at coinig and the addy is from blockchain. |
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And just for information,
i do not have address "1HMU9PT1MBhUvsXzVWT9KoubKVnW4VrpZE"
I already checked from all my address'es
Is coinig have this issue before?
Btw as you can see on my screenshot, on my place (timezone) is already at 1:00 am
I will login again 8 hours later.
For, Heutenamos
I still in charge of my account and wallet.
Whenever you ready. I will give this account as collateral.
Thanks for this "solved problem". At least we know coinig have some 'small error' (or maybe it is blockchain.info error, we do not know)
No ,there isn't any problem with blockchain or coinig my friend read this thread -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990345.0and sign a message properly with the above mentioned address to get the coins. |
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I confirm that i received the pay but i see many common people in round 1 and 2 ,could someone elaborate ?
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-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Requesting loan in amount of 0.5 BTC Repay: 0.06 BTC Repay Date: by Jan. 12th 2016 Send to: 1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh Collateral: Account -----BEGIN SIGNATURE----- 1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh G6Ujm3T9tRfe/W1QNA5iMdhirTtxgqk1w3uUMBFB2cMOH0YF8IxGFyeD1tmxszAjszP7QlUvlO+60AYU9AWqE6s= -----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- If i am not wrong the loan amount is 0.05 ? can you confirm this . you used --1BiiV1Le8iUiTmeaExmCuJf8uLf3gHN9jQ-- this address to sign and not the one on your profile which i suggested (1DGD4hC6ASrs9qmfUZdqzdaX9JiyHUPHh) can you explain ? |
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If i pay faster than 30 days, The interest is still 15%.
Btw, i need this money fast.
For trusted lenders. I will give my account as collateral without an escrow. With condition, the lenders add me on fb. So i can give info when i make the payment.
i could fund your loan but i feel like you are selling your account ...so what we can do is lower the loan amount so that i will be satisfied even if you default it .LMK I'm not selling my account. and i need 0.05 to pay something to my friend. Let me PM you, Heutenamos. nope , I could not agree to such deals ...I will offer you a deal where i won't regret in near future , if you agree to 0.03 and repayment 0.035 then i could give you this loan and i guess you will be paying me with your sig payment ? If yes then we could agree to something else. First of all.. thank you for your offer. But i need to decline it.. i'm not pay you back from signature bonus.. And because i need 0.05 now.. so... yeah. Thank you No problem , but you are not getting the logic here ,the collateral should be at least 120% and F members get sold for 0.05~ these days and so it's exactly equal to the loan amount . I am afraid i have to bump threads like him -- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1283327.0If you agree to something less then LmK. |
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If i pay faster than 30 days, The interest is still 15%.
Btw, i need this money fast.
For trusted lenders. I will give my account as collateral without an escrow. With condition, the lenders add me on fb. So i can give info when i make the payment.
i could fund your loan but i feel like you are selling your account ...so what we can do is lower the loan amount so that i will be satisfied even if you default it .LMK I'm not selling my account. and i need 0.05 to pay something to my friend. Let me PM you, Heutenamos. nope , I could not agree to such deals ...I will offer you a deal where i won't regret in near future , if you agree to 0.03 and repayment 0.035 then i could give you this loan and i guess you will be paying me with your sig payment ? If yes then we could agree to something else. |
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If i pay faster than 30 days, The interest is still 15%.
Btw, i need this money fast.
For trusted lenders. I will give my account as collateral without an escrow. With condition, the lenders add me on fb. So i can give info when i make the payment.
i could fund your loan but i feel like you are selling your account ...so what we can do is lower the loan amount so that i will be satisfied even if you default it .LMK |
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I don't see why he should give a feedback for a loan for which he had collateral, a neutral would be more ideal IMHO. maybe you don't see but he did gave me a + back then. I did, which is why I'm curious. But if smooth felt you were(to be) trusted(by him) I've no objection to it. I see you just edited your OP: He made it clear that he agrees with me in some sense but .....you know? I see what smooth's position would be, I believe he fears being removed from DT or something similar. At any rate, if you do trust someone enough to give them pos. trust on the first place, I wouldn't say just because you found out its a bought account the feedback should be any different. But if this threatens his credibility(in someone else's mind) , well, some thing have to be done. Correct now you are on topic and yes i edited but nothing is deleted . Just don't buy accounts? Create an account like everyone else, it's free. Level up the account like everyone else, you can make trades even if you are a newbie as long as you are using escrow, you can get positive trust easily if you trade a lot even as a newbie so why not just do that? Why do people have to buy accounts, they know it's problematic.
No, it's not problematic if done with proper escrow and the new identity is known.
Take an example of fa*tdice ,what if the scammed when some whale deposited 300+ coins ? is there any guarantee that will not happen ? they have no reputation to lose if they do that . I have a voice and some reputation at least which i might care about before getting into anything shady. Scams are unrelated to account's and i can show hundreds of coins lost over hundreds of threads by newbies on newbies/jr member's etc.. some people cannot be helped and they need to experience the fire in order to understand the warnings given by the trusted one's. Even a guy who purchased an account has coins invested in it and might be scared of losing it over a negative rating before attempting any scam. |
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This discussion is useless IMO, if smooth himself thinks that someone who bought an account and then took a loan shouldn't be trusted, well you can't force him to reinstate the feedback. At any rate,
You are not reading anything , I am not forcing smooth to give ++ to me but instead i am supporting his prior decision about leaving me a + but changed it later due to people having different opinions and i agree with that cause he has a right to care about his profile. I don't see why he should give a feedback for a loan for which he had collateral, a neutral would be more ideal IMHO. maybe you don't see but he did gave me a + back then. Why create a poll if you're just going to disregard it? A lot of what you said is rambling and incoherent but people are free to leave or remove whatever feedback they want but if you have a problem with that take it up with the individual people involved. on a side note there are many users on forum who are/were involved in account sales ( QS, neotox, hilarious&co , outlander etc..) does this means all should not be trusted forever cause the account sales is a gray area in forum?
You should get your facts straight because I've never previously been involved with account sales. Sorry for this but i honestly didn't wanted to accuse anybody here so i would strike that off. yes but smooth will probably see this poll and take his decision depending on the results...so it requires users opinions. This discussion is useless IMO, if smooth himself thinks that someone who bought an account and then took a loan shouldn't be trusted, well you can't force him to reinstate the feedback. At any rate, I don't see why he should give a feedback for a loan for which he had collateral, a neutral would be more ideal IMHO.
exactly, trust isnt mandated to be left on every little trade or dealing / interaction that happens on the forum. if someone feels that a certain interaction with another user gives them the impression that the user in question is an honest person, by all means feel free to leave a positive rating. that dosnt mean you have to though, for example my trust page is not at all indicative of all the trades / dealings ive had. Yes , this is the reason i never asked him a trust but instead he himself gave me one and the reason could be that he found me enough trustworthy. But the change is brought by the opinions of other people and he made it clear in the pm's that he agrees with me in some sense. If you bought an account and are using feedback, Rank or longevity of account that is not your own for loans and to appear trustworthy, you probably aren't. You just bought the appearance of being trustworthy and a Neutral should suffice although that is up to the trading partner.
I have seen several purchased accounts recently packing on the positive Trust and it's a little alarming. Some are those that had Negatives and instead of fixing their mistakes, just wanted to wipe those Negatives out and start with a clean and/or green, bought account. Essentially buying Trust or the appearance of Trust. Why is this? Perhaps to deceive those into trading with those that most wouldn't go near them with their tainted accounts?
True, but I don't see any service offered by me which could lead to scams , it is not that hard to read the persons posts and get a basic knowledge about him.I didn't had any negative ever. |
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Trolls do not have any possibility of trolling in this poll cause your vote is a complete waste unless you make a post here explaining you opinion about it no matter how short or long it is.
This was already discussed with smooth cause of the army of sock-puppet account's and enough negative mindset.
So whoever just submitted a vote should post here in order to get his vote counted.
Edit: Regardless of the answer you choose.
This post was to remove the alt/troll account votes and as majority of the members voted are on DT ,so its no longer needed.
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Hey people , I made this thread after having a discussion with smooth (about trust feedback) which requires forum users opinions and point of views. Some weeks ago i was short of some $$ and i had an option to keep one of my altcoin as collateral and seek a loan with the most safest way possible (probably from a highly trusted guy) so that i could have it sooner and with the satisfaction that my funds are safe . read else here --- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=521862.msg12797095#msg12797095after the transaction maybe smooth felt that i was deserving for the feedback and added a +1 to my profile , I too gave him a + feedback as well cause he agreed to all my terms and was way over comfortable to trade with. Now i see that there is an edited feedback on my profile from smooth and it say "the account is bought and changed this to neutral etc.. " I PM'ed him when i noticed the change and the conclusion was that it's nothing personal but it could affect his profile if people see him trusting me . He made it clear that he agrees with me in some sense but .....you know People who are thinking i took the loan for trust purpose are free to make an accusation against me cause that would be off-topic here Now i would like to ask you people that are you not allowed to leave a feedback to someone when you agree with him and you think he should be trusted ? What influence does "account's features" have over the person's integrity and honesty ? on a side note there are many users on forum who are/were involved in account sales ( QS, neotox, hilarious&co , outlander etc..) does this means all should not be trusted forever cause the account sales is a gray area in forum ? No matter how trustworthy they are .It was discussed with smooth that this thread is not only bout me but for every guy in such situation. you people have the authority to speak about your opinions and which is the motive of this Poll,every account of forum had 1 activity some time ago and it got built to what it is today. I will lock this thread after getting 100 answers (50 if people are not sure to answer or not) , will also wear this threads in my signature until resolved. Make a post here after submitting your answer. feel free to accuse me if anything above said is wrong and kindly keep the posts on topic. |
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