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861  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on: October 22, 2023, 03:24:24 PM
Plagiarism.

hedgeh0g


Wow Angry, there was plagiarism already in 2018. And this account escaped a ban at a time when hundreds of accounts were banned in 2019. It's simply incredible that this is possible. People were banned for matching multiple words in sentences, and many active and useful accounts did not return or appeal or were not given a second chance. But this account is alive. I think this is not his only plagiarism, but according to some magical criteria, the bot machine left him unharmed.
862  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting for a Bengali translation and Press release sub board on: October 21, 2023, 01:47:20 PM
They say that everything repeats itself in the world. I also remember the words of The Sceptical Chymist that if something can be misapplied on the forum, there will always be those who will do it.

The Russian section also had a topic on translations. The same struggle was going on there; merits were given for translations, and many suddenly became translators, thereby quickly rising in rank.
 Similarly, there were accusations that someone used Google Translate. You can look at the topic; the hunt for merit is always obvious.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3251187.3240 There were a lot of misunderstandings about translations.

 I think GazetaBitcoin has a good understanding of who can translate correctly and who is just looking for a good translator to avoid detection. Grin

বাংলায় অনুবাদ করার জন্য গুগল ট্রান্সলেটর বাদে আমি অন্য কি উপায়ে অনুবাদ করতে পারি যদি কেউ একটু বুঝিয়ে বলতেন?

অগ্রিম ধন্যবাদ।
863  Other / Meta / Re: Requesting for a Bengali translation and Press release sub board on: October 21, 2023, 12:55:14 PM


Thanks for the warning. For a long time, I thought that this local board was a small group of 5-10 people with several alt accounts.



I still think that way. See what local users are saying about the influx of new accounts. Google Translate does a good job of making it clear that they're all probably here for the upcoming pumpkin contest that a bunch of accounts were so successful at last year and where they were actively passing merits on to each other.
আমাদের বাংলাদেশ থ্রেড টা কেনো জানি সোশ্যাল মিডিয়ার মতো মনে হচ্ছে। দরকারি তেমন কোনো পোস্ট চোখে পড়ছে না। থ্রেড এ ঢুকে কমেন্ট করার মতো ইন্টারেস্টিং তেমন কিছু চোখে পড়ছে না। এখানে যেকোনো বিষয় নিয়ে পোস্ট করক যাবে এটা জানি, কিন্তু তার মানে কি এই যে ম্যাক্সিমাম পোস্ট হবে এই সোর্স সেই সোর্স থেকে? রাজনীতি, খেলাধুলা সব ই আছে এখানে, নেই শুধু ক্রিপ্টো রিলেটেড পোস্ট গুলো। এই ব্যাপারে সবার সচেতন হওয়া জরুরী। সবাই যদি এভানে আবোল তাবোল পোস্ট করি, ভালো পোস্ট আসবে কই থেকে? সব তো আমরা আমরাই, বাইরের লোক এসে তো পোস্ট করে দিয়ে যাবে না।
এগুলা হওয়ার কারন আছে এখানে বলার মতো তেমন কেউ নাই আর দুই এক জন যারা চিল্লায় তাদের চিল্লানোর কোনো দাম নাই। ইদানিং কেন নতুন একাউন্ট এর সংখ্যা এত বেড়ে চলেছে আর কেনইবা তারা শুধুমাত্র সোর্স পোস্ট করে যাইতেছে তা আমি খুব স্পষ্টভাবেই বুঝতে পারতেছি। তবে কিছুই করার নাই কারণ আমরাতো বাঙালি জাতি আমরা এইসব ছাড়তে পারবোনা কখনই। এখন যে নতুন অ্যাকাউন্টগুলো এখানে আসতেছে আমি গ্যারান্টি দিয়ে বলতে পারি এই সবগুলোই মাল্টি একাউন্ট এইগুলা কোনোটাই নতুন কোনো সদস্য না।

আপনাদের কি মনে আছে অক্টোবর মাসে Halloween আর এই হ্যালোইনের উপলক্ষে ফোরামে একটা কুমড়া কনটেস্ট হবে। আর এ কারণেই এসব অ্যাকাউন্ট তৈরি করা হইতেছে কুমড়া কন্টেস্টে জয়েন কইরা মেরিট ফারমিং করার জন্য। আমি যা বললাম এগুলো সবাই নোট করে রাখতে পারেন এবারের কুমড়া কনটেস্টে হয়তোবা এমনও হতে পারে যে আমাগো বাংলাদেশ বোর্ড খ্যাতির চোদনে সোনার মেডেল পাবে। কথাটা হয়তোবা অনেকেই বুঝতে পারছেন। চিল্লাইয়া কোনো লাভ নাই তাই চিল্লান বাদ দিতেছি ধীরে ধীরে।

আমাদের প্রধান সমস্যা গুলোর মধ্যে একটা হলো অন্য কে অতিরিক্ত ফলো করা। আমরা ভালো কিছু ফলো করি না। আমরা শুধু চেক করি অই লোক টা মেরিট পেলো কোন পোস্ট থেকে? কিভাবে পেলো? কি করে পেলো? এই ফলো করার রেজাল্ট অনেক ভয়াবহ। একজন একটা কাজ করে মেরিট পেয়েছে বলে যে আপনি করলে আপনি পাবেন, ব্যাপার টা সেরকম না। প্রায় অনেকদিন আগে একটা থ্রেড দেখলাম পোস্ট করলেই সেই থ্রেড এর ক্রিয়েটর ১০ টা করে মেরিট দিচ্ছে। তো বাংলাদেশের অনেক মানুষ সেখানে পোস্ট করেছে এবং অনেকে মেরিট ও পেয়েছে। কয়েক সপ্তাহ আগে দেখলাম সেটা নিয়ে গ্লোবালে থ্রেড ওপেন করে একজন বলছে যে এই একাউন্ট গুলো এক জনের। নইলে সবাই মিলে এই থ্রেড এ পোস্ট করলো কেনো আর সবাইকে থ্রেড ক্রিয়েটর মেরিট দিলো কেনো? সব সময় ফলো করা ভালো রেজাল্ট নিয়ে আসে না। মাঝে মাঝে খারাপ রেজাল্ট ও নিয়ে আসে। সুতরাং, মেরিট দেখলেই ঝাপিয়ে পড়ার দরকার নাই।

In addition, they create low-quality themes, adding only a link and a picture. A newcomer who knows about forum image hosting from the very first days brings a smile.
To stop this chaos, I have tagged a few enterprising people who post news simply by copying and pasting, and as soon as they stop doing this, I will remove the neutral tag from them.
The forum is not against alternative accounts, but when it looks very defiant and shameless, you need to respond somehow.

I've gathered some who signed up in October. You can find a lot of similarities in their posts and design posts. Also, check their stories; not a single account will make you feel like this is the person’s first time on the forum.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3578442 Synonyms September 16, 2023, 07:00:07 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3581193 cryptoWODL October 01, 2023, 05:49:44 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3581291 BTC_pokaop  October 02, 2023, 10:48:36 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3582693 Glaxe October 09, 2023, 08:29:26 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3583714 Learn Crypto October 13, 2023, 04:27:08 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3584075 theorys October 15, 2023, 09:37:48 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3584158 DT_MEMBER October 15, 2023, 08:50:51 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3585154 sportbitcoin October 20, 2023, 02:51:11 PM
864  Economy / Reputation / Re: AI Spam Report Reference Thread on: October 21, 2023, 09:16:55 AM
Aisha_jay

It's always interesting to see how regulatory bodies like the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) navigate the ever-evolving world of crypto and blockchain. This latest development involving Impact Theory, LLC certainly raises eyebrows, doesn't it?

While it's true that large-scale projects may sometimes seem like elusive whales in the crypto sea, the SEC's actions demonstrate their commitment to upholding transparency and investor protection, regardless of the size of the fish in the pond.

This case serves as a reminder of the importance of regulatory oversight in the crypto space, as well as the need for clear guidelines to protect both investors and innovators. With the rapid growth of crypto and NFT markets, we're likely to see more regulatory actions aimed at ensuring a fair and secure ecosystem for all participants. So, let's stay tuned for more updates as the crypto landscape continues to unfold, and perhaps share a chuckle at the ever-entertaining journey of the crypto world!

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Your curiosity about the impact of screen size on trading outcomes is both valid and interesting. While it might not be just for aesthetics, the effect of trading on a big screen isn't magical, but it can certainly enhance your trading experience.

A larger screen offers more screen real estate, enabling you to have multiple charts, indicators, and data points visible simultaneously. This can make it easier to conduct in-depth analysis, spot trends, and make informed decisions quickly. However, it's essential to remember that screen size is just one factor among many. A trader's skills, strategy, and discipline remain paramount. In essence, bigger screens may provide an edge in terms of visibility and analysis, but they won't replace the importance of sound trading principles and strategy. So, while it can be beneficial, it's not a guaranteed game-changer. Happy trading!
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Absolutely, it's undeniable that we're navigating through a turbulent era of global economic uncertainty, where economic challenges, energy scarcity, and food scarcity are affecting communities worldwide. However, let's shift our focus to something positive and actionable.

Recently, while strolling through our neighborhood, I couldn't help but notice the unfortunate sight of numerous local grocery stores and retailers closing down. It's disheartening to see these businesses struggling, and there's a clear connection to the soaring prices and the growing preference for online shopping over supporting our local merchants. This trend is undoubtedly a consequence of the ongoing global economic turbulence and the rapid advancements in technology.

For those of us fortunate enough to have the means to shop for our daily needs, I'd like to propose a simple yet impactful solution: let's make a conscious effort to support the merchants in our community rather than exclusively resorting to online shopping from distant stores. By doing so, we can help rejuvenate our local economy and prevent these neighborhood businesses from facing bankruptcy. By choosing to shop locally, we're not only helping these stores survive but also nurturing a sense of community and togetherness that's invaluable in times of uncertainty.

So, the next time you need to buy groceries or any other essentials, consider giving our local businesses a chance. Your decision can play a vital role in keeping our neighborhood vibrant and economically resilient.

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Bountyfox
I will be the third to publish his posts as created by an AI tool. His mark turns red. I'm more than sure that the account Aisha_jay also belongs to him.

Binance is indeed fazing significant legal challenges and scrutiny from regulatory authorities, and its ability to regain trust in the crypto industry remains uncertain. The departure of key executives at a critical time raises concerns about the company's internal dynamicz and its handling of the situation. While it's challenging to predict the future with certainty, there are several factors contributing to the belief that Coinbase could potentially surpass Binance:

Regulatory Compliance, Coinbase has been proactive in adhering to regulatory requirements and obtaining licenses, positioning itself as a more compliant and trusted platform in the eyes of regulators and investors.

Transparency, Coinbase's approach to transparency in reporting and customer communication has been seen as a positive, especially when compared to the legal challenges faced by Binance.

US Market Focus, Binance's legal issues in the U.S. may limit its ability to operate in one of the world's largest cryptocurrency markets, while Coinbase has established a strong presence there.

Customer Trust, Coinbase's reputation for security and reliability may continue to attract more users, especially those concerned about regulatory compliance and the safety of their assets.

While Binance's future is uncertain, Coinbase's focuz on regulatory compliance and transparency may position it as a more trusted and stable platform in the eyes of users, potentially leading to its surpassing Binance in the future.


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Gideon66


There are a number of potential benefits that Bitcoin could bring to a country. For one, Bitcoin could provide a more stable and reliable currency than traditional fiat currencies, which are often subject to inflation and devaluation. Additionally, Bitcoin could facilitate more efficient cross-border payments, as it is not subject to the same restrictions and regulations as traditional currencies. Finally, Bitcoin could also encourage financial inclusion, as it is not tied to a specific country or banking system. This could be especially beneficial for countries with underdeveloped financial systems.

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While Bitcoin has the potential to create wealth for some investors, it's important to remember that it is a highly volatile asset, and there are also significant risks involved. There have been many cases of people losing money due to price crashes or hacks of exchanges or wallets. Additionally, governments around the world are still grappling with how to regulate and tax cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin.

While Bitcoin has the potential to create wealth for some investors, it's important to remember that it is a highly volatile asset, and there are also significant risks involved.

IT exists on a decentralized network of computers, often called a blockchain technology, that keeps track of all transactions made using the currency. The process make Bitcoin transaction more secure, transparent and hard to manipulate.
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865  Other / Meta / Re: Most iconic erm... I mean most ridiculous topics from Off-topic board on: October 21, 2023, 07:43:12 AM
In addition to these stupid topics, that section is full of answers that consist of one word, and this is very well-used by those who like to multiply their alternative accounts. I don’t know whether they will pay attention to reports with low-value posts, but I think everyone understands that this is an open window for increasing activity.
866  Other / Meta / Re: [Report] Ban Evasion [Requesting Admin/mod to check those and ban] on: October 21, 2023, 07:06:25 AM
25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]
====================================================
Ban evasion.

dgreat   Autoban user
droyal01   Autoban user
cruizmaster   Autoban user
Broadanbig


25. Ban evasion (using or creating accounts while one of your accounts is banned) is not allowed.[e]

Reporting Ban evasion:

1. droyal01
2. cruizmaster

Proof:

Telegram Username: @royalemperor1
https://ninjastic.space/post/52666004

Telegram Username: @royalemperor1
https://ninjastic.space/post/55806539

https://ninjastic.space/search?content=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2FOduadaOlowu


He edited his post, however, he admits that this telegram address belongs to him.


/quote]

I sent a pm still waiting for your response.
You can send me a message on telegram with an audio explaining  what you want me to do.

Edit.......
I had to remove my telegram handle here as scammers have started sending me series of scam messages. Check dm for my telegram handle and do well to drop yours so I could know and attend to you
with immediate response.



https://ninjastic.space/search?content=%40cryptoemperor0
867  Economy / Economics / Re: Bangladesh economy facing headwinds on: October 21, 2023, 05:32:11 AM

Well, we can't blame anyone as long as source is added. Recently there have been many new newbies that are posting this kind of copy paste news like posts in BD thread (We don't have own local board yet). I'm not saying it's bad but one shouldn't just join the forum and start posting news from various sources. If you look closely, almost all the newbies in bangla thread are doing this. As soon as a user registers, s/he miraculously finds BD thread and start sharing news. When I first joined the forum I didn't even knew there was a BD thread. That's why I stopped posting there, even reputed members are also posting less. There is no education discussion happening, no ideas are being shared, no questions are made, just news news all days long. Some members are still trying to be creativity though.

Another thing I noticed if you look at the usernames and post style, you'll find many similarities. My guess is one or two or a group of people are managing these accounts. Although I can't connect them as alt accounts but you'll know when you see them. Even there was a username called DTmember, don't you think that's odd? How would one know DT is a thing in bitcointalk? I'm not saying having alt is a crime but what I'm seeing these days in my thread is disappointing.

It's not ideal for newbies to post only news. He is new, he should behave like one. He should be making questions, making threads not posting news. What's your say on that?

My comment might be irrelevant to this thread and board, but I though it might be worth sharing  Smiley

You are right, and the behavior of your compatriots is very disappointing. But you could raise this issue in your local section. Besides the fact that your newcomers publish posts according to rule number one: low quality, providing copies and pastes with a link, this topic could even be located in the Bangladesh section. What is also noticeable is how your users grow accounts, thinking that the exchange of merit is not noticeable to others.
OP, do you have your own words or just a link to the news?
868  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Buttons and tools on: October 21, 2023, 05:15:35 AM
I remembered myself in the first days of visiting the forum. This happened through trial and error. Some functions of the forum were important to me, in particular how to navigate to a topic that interests me and how to write a post. No more. In the future, everything was mastered according to free time and interests. Although I must admit that I have never used the forum on a mobile device. This is probably why it is more convenient to understand and see how simple everything is on the big screen, but I believe that every person is capable of understanding these issues. To those who visit forums on a regular basis, the design of this forum seems quite simple to them.
869  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Security Should Be Your First Target as a Newbie on: October 21, 2023, 04:55:09 AM
Anyone who starts using the Internet first of all needs to learn how to use it correctly. What do people who buy a new gadget and start their online journey do? The first is entertainment, games, etc. But mostly, it is on such sites that we get a bunch of viruses that remain on devices for a long time, causing some kind of inconvenience. Therefore, if you are going to deal with financial issues, separate the places where you will use the Internet for entertainment from the places where you are going to deal with investments and handle wallets. That is a serious matter. Computer security begins with the understanding that you don’t need to be distracted by bright banners, tempted by calls for easy money, or trust that someone suddenly gives you prizes. Even if you don’t have the money for an air-gapped device, a hardware wallet, or even a quality antivirus, you can safely use your Electrum wallet, provided you are confident in your Internet surfing skills.
870  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on: October 20, 2023, 10:54:39 AM
Plagiarism  Paraphrased
Baki202

A mind map of "The Bitcoin System" has been created. The goal of this visual representation is to draw attention to the fundamental components that go into making Bitcoin a functional technological advancement.

My motivation for undertaking this project is to gain a deeper understanding of Bitcoin as a system, which is defined as a collection of interconnected or interdependent components. In particular, I firmly believe that people who want to learn more about Bitcoin should have a basic understanding of these components. These elements act as important markers that would be routinely evaluated in order to determine the course of Bitcoin's evolutionary development over time.
Can the elements be better presented or simplified to aid understanding?

Once I have the feedback I will update the mind map and show it to the Bitcoin community.



https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6250/62502305.html


https://bitcoinrealm.org/blockchain-understanding-bitcoin-as-a-system-systems-theory-perspective-2/#:~:text=My%20motivation%20is%20to%20obtain,some%20(at%20least%20cursory)%20understanding


871  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Lump sum Vs DCA" for Bitcoin Accumulation on: October 20, 2023, 10:35:44 AM
We often see questions about the best time to buy Bitcoin. People are afraid to make a mistake and buy expensive. Therefore, DCA will be the best choice for those who are cautious but still want to invest in Bitcoin. However, some people received a large amount of money and invested it entirely in Bitcoin. Both this and these are normal; it all depends on how much a person determines for himself the funds he is willing not to spend for some time. I would say that the DCA method is more simplified for the average person with a certain income from which he can save a certain amount. A lump-sum contribution is more suitable for businessmen with their businesses, from which they receive a good income.
872  Economy / Economics / Re: Is the fall of Elon Musk's empire imminent? on: October 20, 2023, 09:59:35 AM
I have been seeing this question on the Internet for a very long time. People are playing a lottery called “the time of Elon Musk’s fall.” Take a look through the news feeds of the last five years, and every time he is predicted to collapse, However, he is not a stupid person, and I am sure that he knows perfectly well what to do and when to do it, and all the intrigues and gossip going on the Internet are only beneficial for his PR.
873  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What do you Think is the Right Advice to Give to this Young Chap? on: October 20, 2023, 07:15:54 AM
I always feel sorry for people who are very fiercely trying to get out of poverty and are ready to believe anyone who promises to help them with this. In this case, I see this story only this way: a person, not understanding all the intricacies of Bitcoin, believes in stories that Bitcoin will help them live better, and he can be understood, but the only thing he has is a family heirloom. One can guess that the situation is so bad that people are ready to part with the family history that they have kept for quite a long time. OP, show him our forum; let him come here himself and grow his knowledge together with people who will not cloud people’s brains with fairy tales about a beautiful future life. If a person does not have money to invest now, then investing a little will not make him rich. I think this has long been clear to everyone.

 I'll pretend your story is plausible. But answer me: If you want to help him, why remove him from the chat? Smiley
874  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Experience is key, go for it. on: October 20, 2023, 06:50:04 AM
You're saying banal things, OP. But in practice, how many successful traders do you know in your circle, for example? And how many of those for whom the experience of mistakes and failures has forever discouraged the desire to do this? When should a person understand that he is ready to practice? It usually takes a lot of time to gain experience, and I am more than sure that for many people, experience is always associated with many mistakes. What should a person do next if they have too much self-confidence and a great desire to get rich quickly? And what should he do when he realizes, after regularly making mistakes, that he is not doing his own thing? You know, write the kind of posts that are full of them on the Internet. There are a lot of posts motivating people to go ahead, but the fact is that there are some moments of luck that go together with experience, and only this makes a person successful.
875  Other / Meta / Re: As A Bitcointalk Member on: October 20, 2023, 06:03:27 AM

To me I still feel we have some other members who have done something to be honored in such a way that even when they spit they get acknowledged. Like they're the eyes of this Forum, I have that believe that they might have done one or two things to the progress of this Forum, you know.

OP, for every person outstanding, as you put it, can be any person whom he respects and considers useful to himself. I didn't see the "outstanding" label, but I heard a hint of criticism in your post. Why should people do something for the forum, in your opinion? Personally, besides participating in the subscription company, what have you done for the forum? If you have a question, then you should imagine what needs to be done for the forum. Are you doing it? If all your answers are of the opposite nature, like that you are new to the forum and blah blah, then only the fact that some people do not change their interests and remain devoted to the forum for a very long time can be considered outstanding.
876  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: Random BTC($12) Giveaway #3! on: October 19, 2023, 11:08:04 AM
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877  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Question for those who loose too frequently in gambling on: October 19, 2023, 09:41:50 AM
People who often lose sometimes don't give themselves the chance to win. They can't stop and always play until everyone loses. This behavior is prone to mental disorders. Just as it is difficult to explain to fat people the dangers of a large amount of food since they get pleasure from it, it is in vain to explain to a gambler that such passion leads him to a cliff. All promises that a person will stop playing after he wins back his loss will most often remain just empty words.
878  Economy / Economics / Re: Dangers of combining company and personal funds in the same account on: October 19, 2023, 08:14:23 AM
There are also some important things that are worth mentioning. It all depends on the person who is trusted to the general means. I think we have stories when we see how an organization goes bankrupt and the owner, who received a bunch of investments after a while, starts a new business. Does anyone really think that the one who spends the organization’s money does not understand what he is doing? If, for example, the construction of any object is underway, then the amount of money that was allocated according to the quota may not be allocated for construction materials, but much less, so that the one who manages these funds can snag a good profit for himself while deceiving others. Therefore, no matter where the money is stored, a lot depends on the person and his integrity.
879  Other / Meta / Re: Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on: October 19, 2023, 07:45:22 AM
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880  Economy / Economics / Re: Isreal and Palestine war and losing your wallet phrase and password on: October 18, 2023, 11:05:39 AM
You can use software that allows you to create a wallet with a seed phrase of 12 words.
It's not impossible to remember 12 words if they are very important. This way you can keep the wallet in your brain. Also known as a bitcoin brainwallet. No one can steal your thoughts.
In cryptography we trust (& verify).

If we rely on the title of the OP topic, then I don’t think that everything that happens in these two countries will allow a person to calmly remember the phrase. People are so scared and stressed that even if they remain safe, their memory can fail them at any time.
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